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Old 01-24-2013, 6:55 PM
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Just donated. Good luck! If you need anything from a Bay Area Production guy, let me know. Epic, Scarlet, interview pickups, b-roll.
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Guys, chill out. Whether or not Kris properly documented the total expected cost of the film, shouldn't we be supporting someone who will act as another voice on our behalf? Besides, every minute Kris spends defending himself here is a minute later that our voices are heard.

I work for a major motion picture studio, and I can tell you that movies rarely come in on budget. They're an ENORMOUS amount of work with lots of moving parts. And Kris's budget, even at twice the price, is very very low.

Kris, count me in. I'll contribute when I get home tonight.
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It was mentioned in this thread that if he did not reach his first kickstarter goal, kickstarter would refund the donations. He has that first 70k now, what will happen if this second goal isn't met? We're SOL on the 1st donations?
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Hey everyone -

The flu has attacked me hard, so I hope you will forgive me for not being more active here on the thread, but my head feels likes is going to explode.

I did reveal the budget in earlier threads and on all the radio interviews. I will pull them for you when I can. In the meantime, please read the risk statement at the bottom of the Kickstarter 2 page. I take pride in my work as a producer, I don't speak out of both sides of my mouth and I would never waste this chance to be an outlet for your voices.

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I agree we should support the production of this film but Deadon has a point regarding profits and end run ownership rights. Also, I'm surprised that a film production company doesn't have the credit to take out a $100,000 business loan on their own.
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I agree we should support the production of this film but Deadon has a point regarding profits and end run ownership rights. Also, I'm surprised that a film production company doesn't have the credit to take out a $100,000 business loan on their own.
Why would anyone take a loan if you can get financed 100% for free? Nothing to pay back!

This is really tough for me. I wear my donation shirt proud and tell everyone I know how I was a part of this.
Maybe this is where I was wrong. I assumed that the 70k was a start and the rest would be via loan or another source. Now that there's another 70k that expected to be given I just can't wrap my head around it.
Good luck guys I really hope this film gets made as we have donated 70k so far. I hope your able to pull a invester to get the rest.
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Why would anyone take a loan if you can get financed 100% for free? Nothing to pay back!

This is really tough for me. I wear my donation shirt proud and tell everyone I know how I was a part of this.
Maybe this is where I was wrong. I assumed that the 70k was a start and the rest would be via loan or another source. Now that there's another 70k that expected to be given I just can't wrap my head around it.
Good luck guys I really hope this film gets made as we have donated 70k so far. I hope your able to pull a invester to get the rest.
I dont understand your logic. So you are proud to have been a part of the first phase and show off your shirt. Yet you are equally proud to not donate for the second phase even if it means the movie does not get made that you have already given money to. Are you going to be as proud wearing your shirt if this project fails because they couldn't come up with enough money?
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Why would anyone take a loan if you can get financed 100% for free? Nothing to pay back!

This is really tough for me. I wear my donation shirt proud and tell everyone I know how I was a part of this.
Maybe this is where I was wrong. I assumed that the 70k was a start and the rest would be via loan or another source. Now that there's another 70k that expected to be given I just can't wrap my head around it.
Good luck guys I really hope this film gets made as we have donated 70k so far. I hope your able to pull a invester to get the rest.
Another $70k was always going to be needed... There were hopes of Kickstarting the first ~$70k and then getting a private investor for the other $70k. Obviously for a film like this it is extraordinarily important to have very specific investors. As its already been mentioned, an investor like Glock, The NRA, etc... Would look very bad and defeat the purpose of this film.

At the end of the day... It's absolutely worth putting down more cash to finish the funding of this project. We NEED this film more than ever to help our cause. There is no question that we need to finish this.

Everyone needs to go on KS and put down whatever you can... If you can match what you donated before... That would be awesome. If you cant, and can only do xxxx amount... Okay.

We really NEED this film more than ever. Really Really.
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I'm just amazed that Kris is getting flak from his own team. It's a donation, not an investment. If you want a return, go somewhere else.
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I don't care about getting credits or shirts or whatever. I just want this thing to get made.
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The petty and financially clueless comments Kris is getting on this thread piss me off more than anything else I've read on this forum.
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I'm just amazed that Kris is getting flak from his own team. It's a donation, not an investment. If you want a return, go somewhere else.
Im not looking for a return, but Kris is right? Why is it so wrong to ask these questions? We donated 70K most of it coming from this site!
Kris is looking for someone to GIVE him another 70k. Why not seek a loan for another 70k?
Someone spoke of Hollywood movies and going over budget. Yes your right but there are investors that will see a return so thats a different ball game.
Im not asking for a return, no one is!

There will be profit in this! SO why not ask a investor to join in? Someone that will loan the cash and WILL be paid back. Why is that so wrong? Assaulted could show a investor that supporters have given 70k and has support.

Why does the full amount have to be donated? If the film wasnt going to make any monies I would understand it. But it will see a return so why no investor?
In the new Kickstarter it says without this funding we wont see the release for six more months. Why? That wasnt said in the first kickstarter.

Im beating a dead horse here. I guess to some of you its wrong to ask these questions.
Kris you are doing a great thing here. Im not trying to down play that. I just dont get why this has to be funded with 100% donations and no investors.
Im done in here I wont say another word.
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Just think how much more impact this film can have if Kris can say it was entirely funded by a grassroots effort of individuals. It will be OUR voice to educate the ignorant masses attempting to steal OUR rights.
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OK. The fever has subsided and I can now respond to some of the more critical comments here.

I have been upfront about the costs of this film - look through the threads and you will see I talked about the difference about documentary vs narratives budgets when I was challenged before about the costs. I never mislead anyone about the cost of doing this film.

I was also interviewed by several "gun talk" radio show where the budget was discussed. Here is a link Gun Owners of America Radio interview. The budget discussion starts at minute 19 - https://www.yousendit.com/dl?phi_action=app/orchestrateDownload&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yousend it.com%2Ftransfer.php%3Faction%3Dbatch_download%26 batch_id%3DTEhXNWNnQ3Q1aWIwZXNUQw
This link was also posted here right after the interview in September.

We believed by this point in the production that an investor or foundation would have picked us up but that hasn't happened. So we continue to push to get the film done in a grassroots fashion. Would it have been nice not to run a second Kickstarter? Yes, but we have to face reality that "we the people" will have to do this on our own as a unified group.

I take pride that 925 of you supported us in the last campaign. That each one of you trust us to make this film that is more important now then it was in September. We won't let you down.

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Im not looking for a return, but Kris is right? Why is it so wrong to ask these questions? We donated 70K most of it coming from this site!
Kris is looking for someone to GIVE him another 70k. Why not seek a loan for another 70k?
Someone spoke of Hollywood movies and going over budget. Yes your right but there are investors that will see a return so thats a different ball game.
Im not asking for a return, no one is!

There will be profit in this! SO why not ask a investor to join in? Someone that will loan the cash and WILL be paid back. Why is that so wrong? Assaulted could show a investor that supporters have given 70k and has support.

Why does the full amount have to be donated? If the film wasnt going to make any monies I would understand it. But it will see a return so why no investor?
In the new Kickstarter it says without this funding we wont see the release for six more months. Why? That wasnt said in the first kickstarter.

Im beating a dead horse here. I guess to some of you its wrong to ask these questions.
Kris you are doing a great thing here. Im not trying to down play that. I just dont get why this has to be funded with 100% donations and no investors.
Im done in here I wont say another word.
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I hope there is a huge profit and I do not expect to see anything back from my donation. Of course I assume a percentage will be donated to PFC and NRA?
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Donated last time. Donated again just now.

C'mon guys let's pitch in !
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I'll buy a ticket to the premier...

Sorry, that's all I'm willing to pitch in.

I've sent several hundred to CGN and NRA in the last couple months...

Certainly there are pro 2A celebs (actors even) that would be willing to help out - no?...
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I don't know if i'm super late on this idea but I will say it anyway. has Kris tried to get any big named youtubers to put any links or talk about this project in there vids like Hickok45, MAC, RatedRR Richard Ryans, Philip DeFranco Show or any Shooting channel
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$100 more.

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I dont understand your logic.
I do. It's actually a reasonable question which more people should be asking.
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I do. It's actually a reasonable question which more people should be asking.
How is it reasonable? Just using the example stated earlier: you already gave money the first time around and are happily showing off your t-shirt telling everyone how great this project is, and now out of some weird form of spite refuse to see this thing through to completion because you feel like you were somehow lied to even though you weren't.

If that's not shooting yourself in the foot, than I don't know what is. Do better due diligence, the information was out there for all to see. Personally I find it shameful that previous donors would even come to this thread and disrupt the fundraising process. You all could have contacted Kris privately to voice your concerns.
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Personally I find it shameful that previous donors would even come to this thread and disrupt the fundraising process. You all could have contacted Kris privately to voice your concerns.
I agree. It's embarrassing. Donate, or not. But don't threadcrap...

Does everyone realize the great effort and risk Kris has taken? His sacrifice is likely much greater than any one donation made here...

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in other words, agree with us or shut up?... brilliant
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No but picture this.

You see a person starving on the streets and want to help out because its the right thing to do. So you buy this person a meal and help them get on their feet. Others help this person too and things are looking up.

Three months later you see the same person who has done well sitting on the sidewalk with a broken arm because they fell off their bike. Instead of helping the person, you decide to tell the person how stupid they are for riding a bike and continue on and not help the person, leaving them there with a broken arm.
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^^^ I don't recall anyone implying stupidity.

I did see some concern about the direction, the initial implication and in my case a simple commitment to contribute to final product.

Unfortunately, several in the thread feel people should not express these thoughts.

Too many threads in this section have divided opinions... it's ironic that we discuss the merits of 2A supports and the concern of gun controllers pushing their views... but in the same breath chastise others in this forum for not having the same views as on topics like this thread.
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just wondering, if my first and second donation together make $25, can I have the Dvd? if not, no big, just curious.
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No one said that but you.
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Anybody know Brangelina? I hear they are 2A friendly.

Serious question, how much would a person have to donate via a loan to get a share of the profits the movie makes (assuming there are profits, obviously that is a risk an investor takes).
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it's been implied throughout the thread... other than asking it as a question, where did I ever say it (or even imply it)?
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just wondering, if my first and second donation together make $25, can I have the Dvd? if not, no big, just curious.
Sorry, it would create a huge clusterf%&k if we tried to provide "upgrade" rewards between the two campaigns. Hope you understand.

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Please, everyone, relax.

We are all on the same side. Question have been asked and answered regarding the budget, so individuals can make their choice whether they participate in the second campaign or not. We are truly grateful that they participated in the first round.

In the meantime, here is a clip from the film that should put a smile on everyone's face.

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I think it gets down to this:

Do you want to see this film completed and shown to the public or not?

If you do, then donate. If you don't, then don't donate. If you've already donated during the first kickstarter pass and aren't financially comfortable donating anything more, that's fine too. You've already shown your support for the film by donating the first time around.


It's as simple as that.


I'm going to donate a second time because I can and I want to see this film completed.



As for the profits, maybe Kris will donate a substantial portion of them to SAF and/or CGF. Wouldn't you agree that would be an excellent use of them? Even so, even if he doesn't do that, if he can generate a substantial profit from this, maybe that will be a signal to others that there is money to be made by promoting the right to keep and bear arms through film. Who could argue that such would be a bad thing?
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I hope I end up having to donate another $1000 to CGF... However, this $500 is one I hope to not have to donate...
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If you reach your KS goal and DON'T get an investor or loan, will there be a 3rd go round?
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If you reach your KS goal and DON'T get an investor or loan, will there be a 3rd go round?
We're knocking on a lot of doors right now and hope that once this Kickstarter campaign is over we have secured the funds for distribution from an investor. This Kickstarter campaign will ensure the that the edit gets done. We will have options after that as to how to get the film out into the world without a third campaign.
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Kris, that was a great clip from TN! I tried to contact him via Facebook during the first Kickstarter go 'round. I'm glad you at least got to to interview him.

I wish people who question the $$$ amount necessary for production of the documentary could understand what that covers.

The 2016 documentary had a working budget of $2,500,000. Two million, five hundred thousand dollars.

When Kris first posted about making this documentary, it was a different time and a smaller target market. IIRC, there was also a need to conform to the requirements of the distribution channel and specifically PBS.

Obviously, the scope of the project, the prospective target audience, and the climate of the nation and the gun rights issues have all changed since filming first began. Everything is bigger.

In fact, the need to get this project done has increased exponentially.

Perhaps the passion of potential investors is piqued right now too. It would be great to get people like Dinesh D'Souza, David Mamet, Ted Nugent and a litany of other deep pockets involved who could contribute.

What bugs me is that when the first round of Kickstater fundraising when on, only a small percentage of Calguns members even participated. That point was raised in the thread.

Even then, there were calls on members who hadn't contributed to at least try to send something. Anything.

Maybe some of them can step up now?

I've already donated. I will again.

I understand the feelings of those who have already contributed who may feel the burden of contributing more and are feeling "taxed" in this thread.

But, what about all the other members - who haven't participated at all but who will benefit from the awareness and change of perception this documentary can and will deliver?

ETA: People familiar with documentary film making understand that it isn't where the big bucks are. If you want to get super wealthy, don't count on doing it making documentaries.
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