Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > OUTDOORS, HUNTING AND SURVIVAL > Survival and Preparations
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Survival and Preparations Long and short term survival and 'prepping'.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-20-2013, 10:42 PM
Addy Addy is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 29
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default Fish Antibiotics for Humans?

Has anyone else heard that the same antibiotics you buy for fish tanks are the same pharmacy grade for people? Penicillin , Amoxicillin , Cipro etc...
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-20-2013, 11:10 PM
keenkeen keenkeen is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 6,761
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Default

Yes but be careful...

__________________
Quote:
"But far more numerous was the herd of such, Who think too little and who talk too much." -John Dryden
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-20-2013, 11:18 PM
johnthomas's Avatar
johnthomas johnthomas is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Monterey County
Posts: 5,844
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Here you go.
http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/...-for-human-use
__________________
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-20-2013, 11:20 PM
Fern's Avatar
Fern Fern is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,154
iTrader: 23 / 100%
Default

Tagged
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-20-2013, 11:24 PM
Gabriel80's Avatar
Gabriel80 Gabriel80 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 441
iTrader: 8 / 100%
Default

Yes, I got two poor friends that do it. It worked for them!
__________________
none of us are as strong as all of us
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-21-2013, 12:01 AM
Jimmy310's Avatar
Jimmy310 Jimmy310 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Torrance, Ca
Posts: 1,766
iTrader: 83 / 100%
Default

I have a friend who took fish mox forte (amoxicillin 500mg) he bought off ebay from a US Seller and took a 10 day regiment of 2 pills a day to kill off a sinus/ear infection. Says he'd do it again, with another type of antibiotic as most dr's wont prescribe the same antibiotic they issued the last time because the bacteria in your body builds immunity to the antibiotics.
__________________



WTT: Federal hydrashock 40s&w JHP's for 9mm fmj's locally


http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=927721
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-21-2013, 12:07 AM
Librarian's Avatar
Librarian Librarian is offline
Super Moderator
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Concord
Posts: 34,264
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Blog Entries: 6
Default

However, while a tiny bit overstated, the caution there is worthwhile:
Quote:
IF YOU DONT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOURE DOING WITH ANTIBIOTICS - DONT ADMINISTER THEM!!! You could kill somebody, or breed a resistant strain of bacteria.
In a disaster situation, the worry about resistant bacteria needs a bit of refinement: for an individual patient, using the wrong ABX, or the wrong amounts or wrong frequency or wrong duration can kill off some of the infection - but the survivors might just be the ones with higher antibiotic resistance, leading to a worse infection than was initially present.
__________________
Calguns Wiki, Magazine Qs, Knife laws

Unless there is some way to amend a bill so you would support it,
the details do not matter until the Governor signs or allows the bill to become law.

Ask CA law questions in the How CA Laws Apply to/Affect Me Forum
- most questions that start 'Is it legal ...' go there.

Not a lawyer, just Some Guy On The Interwebs.


Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-21-2013, 10:45 AM
Sinestr's Avatar
Sinestr Sinestr is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Smells like cow shi+
Posts: 654
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Here is a good read on the subject http://www.truthistreason.net/guide-...tion-post-shtf
__________________
"Strength Determination Merciless Forever"
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-21-2013, 1:34 PM
Librarian's Avatar
Librarian Librarian is offline
Super Moderator
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Concord
Posts: 34,264
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Blog Entries: 6
Default

And, if you want to know what's really going on, it's about time you did something like join Medscape.

It's free.

For example, look at http://reference.medscape.com/drug/a...icillin-342473

That's what amoxycillin is good for, the doses and the frequency.

Then, another tab is
Quote:
Mechanism of Action

Derivative of ampicillin and has similar antibacterial spectrum (certain gram-positive and gram-negative organisms); similar bactericidal action as penicillin; acts on susceptible bacteria during multiplication stage by inhibiting cell wall mucopeptide biosynthesis; superior bioavailability and stability to gastric acid and has broader spectrum of activity than penicillin; less active than penicillin against Streptococcus pneumococcus; penicillin-resistant strains also resistant to amoxicillin, but higher doses may be effective; more effective against gram-negative organisms (eg, N meningitidis, H influenzae) than penicillin


Absorption

Rapidly absorbed

Bioavailability: 74-92%

Peak plasma time: 1-2hr


Distribution

Most body fluids and bone, CSF <1%

Protein bound: 17-20%


Metabolism

Hepatic

Half-life: 61.3 minutes


Elimination

Excretion: Urine
Quote:
Orally administered doses of 250-mg and 500-mg amoxicillin capsules result in average peak blood levels 1 to 2 hours after administration in the range of 3.5 mcg/mL to 5.0 mcg/mL and 5.5 mcg/mL to 7.5 mcg/mL, respectively.
http://www.druglib.com/druginfo/amox..._pharmacology/

A lot of the doses are 'q 8 hr' - that is, "q" = "every".

That's because the 'half-life' is about 1 hour. A therapeutic level is 'enough of the drug in the blood to have an effect', and sometimes that level is determined by the life cycle of the bug you are fighting.

In the first hour, you have the full dose circulating. (Actually, it's continuous ramp-up and decline rather than step-wise, but at particular time-increments - multiples of the half-life - 'divide by 2' is close enough.)

After 2 hours, 1/2 is left. Another hour, 1/4. 4 hours, 1/8. 5 hours, 1/16. 6 hours, 1/32. 7 hours, 1/64. 8 hours, you take the next dose, and in that following hour you have 1/128 + the ramp-up to full dose.
__________________
Calguns Wiki, Magazine Qs, Knife laws

Unless there is some way to amend a bill so you would support it,
the details do not matter until the Governor signs or allows the bill to become law.

Ask CA law questions in the How CA Laws Apply to/Affect Me Forum
- most questions that start 'Is it legal ...' go there.

Not a lawyer, just Some Guy On The Interwebs.



Last edited by Librarian; 01-21-2013 at 4:44 PM.. Reason: fix typo - how did I get 132 from 2x64?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-21-2013, 1:51 PM
Manolito's Avatar
Manolito Manolito is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Milford California Pop. 72
Posts: 2,327
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

I had to smile Librarian. There were 8 kids and Mom and Dad money was non existant. The sickest kid would go to the Dr. and get a prescription. Mom would go to the feed store and buy the medicine for the other 7 of us and administer as per the one prescription she had. I often thought I should Moo like a cow or some other barn yard animal.

Today California has a lot more restrictions on antibiotics at feed stores. She would weigh us each and often inject the prescribed amount. Different times back then 60 years ago.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 01-22-2013, 7:44 AM
1010 1010 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Orange County 949
Posts: 36
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

ive heard similar, ok for us to eat and much cheaper
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 01-22-2013, 7:51 AM
guns4life's Avatar
guns4life guns4life is offline
JUICEBAG
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: In a van...down by the river.
Posts: 4,944
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Yup, sent a friend to the fish store with an infected tooth and no insurance...worked for him.
__________________



Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-22-2013, 8:52 AM
eviioiive's Avatar
eviioiive eviioiive is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,286
iTrader: 59 / 98%
Default

Same maker, same markings, same regulations, same ingredients, same pills.
__________________
CG Rules:
1- Don't call members out on lies
2- Definitely don't call a sponsor out on a lie
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 01-22-2013, 8:57 AM
bill_k_lopez bill_k_lopez is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Long Beach
Posts: 2,839
iTrader: 20 / 95%
Default

For common use or self diagnosis I'd say don't. Go see a doctor.

For keeping in case of emergency, like disaster or SHTF - its the same thing you get with a prescription from a doctor at the pharmacy.

Be smart and read up on what you are buying, some antibiotics become toxic after their expiration date.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-10-2013, 4:40 PM
bakokid bakokid is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 163
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

girlfriend works at a vet hospital, it works and pharma is good far past exp dates
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 02-10-2013, 10:11 PM
pat4wd pat4wd is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Berry Creek, Ca
Posts: 1,461
iTrader: 26 / 100%
Default

What is the shelf life of most of these?
__________________
Try out a AppleSeed... http://www.appleseedinfo.org/


Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 02-10-2013, 10:22 PM
Beatone's Avatar
Beatone Beatone is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: █████████
Posts: 3,964
iTrader: 125 / 100%
Default

I haven't been sick in three years.
__________________
NRA Life Member
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 02-11-2013, 8:18 PM
pat4wd pat4wd is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Berry Creek, Ca
Posts: 1,461
iTrader: 26 / 100%
Default

Nobody knows shelf life?
__________________
Try out a AppleSeed... http://www.appleseedinfo.org/


Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 02-11-2013, 8:56 PM
Librarian's Avatar
Librarian Librarian is offline
Super Moderator
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Concord
Posts: 34,264
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Blog Entries: 6
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pat4wd View Post
Nobody knows shelf life?
It's variable, and 'shelf life' isn't quite the issue.

The drugs have an expiration date; for pills and such it's usually 1 year. But that's a CYA date for the manufacturer, and is generally adopted as binding by hospitals and licensed care facilities.

Here's a link talking about amoxicilin - http://www.wisegeek.com/what-factors...moxicillin.htm

How much effectiveness loss is associated with age alone is hard to separate from how much loss is associated with the storage conditions. Recommended storage for amox is
Quote:
STORAGE: Store at room temperature according to the product labeling, away from light and moisture. Do not store in the bathroom.
http://www.medicinenet.com/amoxicill...e4.htm#Storage
Here's another:
Quote:
STORAGE: Store Amoxil capsules as well as 125 and 250 mg dry powder at or below 20C (68F); tablets, chewable tablets, as well as 200 and 400 mg dry powder should be stored at or below 25C(77F). Store Trimox capsules and unreconstituted powder at or below 20C (68F) and chewable tablets at room temperature 15-30C (59-86F). Powder that has been mixed with water should be discarded after 14 days. Refrigeration is preferred but not required for powder mixed with water.
http://www.medicinenet.com/amoxicillin/article.htm
__________________
Calguns Wiki, Magazine Qs, Knife laws

Unless there is some way to amend a bill so you would support it,
the details do not matter until the Governor signs or allows the bill to become law.

Ask CA law questions in the How CA Laws Apply to/Affect Me Forum
- most questions that start 'Is it legal ...' go there.

Not a lawyer, just Some Guy On The Interwebs.



Last edited by Librarian; 02-11-2013 at 9:00 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 02-13-2013, 8:23 PM
ClickClickPow ClickClickPow is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: O to the C, So Cal
Posts: 336
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

Don't take animal antibiotics, go see a licensed health care provider! If you live in Los Angeles county, you have community health clinics throughout the county providing affordable (sometimes free) healthcare, including prescriptions! Yes the wait time can be long, but it's your health and body, there is nothing more important. Self medicating with antibiotics is never a good idea, that can promote antibiotic resistant organism such VRE or MRSA! Check your county for available healthcare options

Last edited by ClickClickPow; 02-13-2013 at 8:26 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 02-13-2013, 8:27 PM
eam's Avatar
eam eam is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: West Los Angeles
Posts: 177
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

D*mn, you just unlocked a suppressed memory!

My mom used to give us tetracycline from the fish store.

I had forgotten that.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 02-13-2013, 8:37 PM
pat4wd pat4wd is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Berry Creek, Ca
Posts: 1,461
iTrader: 26 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ClickClickPow View Post
Don't take animal antibiotics, go see a licensed health care provider! If you live in Los Angeles county, you have community health clinics throughout the county providing affordable (sometimes free) healthcare, including prescriptions! Yes the wait time can be long, but it's your health and body, there is nothing more important. Self medicating with antibiotics is never a good idea, that can promote antibiotic resistant organism such VRE or MRSA! Check your county for available healthcare options
I think in a shtf. Situation it could be a life saver(kind of the point of the thread I think).. as a everyday thing instead of the doc.. not for me.
__________________
Try out a AppleSeed... http://www.appleseedinfo.org/


Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 02-14-2013, 3:23 AM
stix213's Avatar
stix213 stix213 is offline
AKA: Joe Censored
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: San Rafael
Posts: 16,886
iTrader: 8 / 100%
Default

Get some Fish Flox Forte (Ciprofloxacin). It has a long shelf life (bought some last year that expires in 2015, but I've read with proper storage Cipro can potentially go 8+ years) and can treat a variety of infections from some STD's to an Anthrax attack.

I've actually used it on myself when after I went to the doctor twice for the same problem, and both times they misdiagnosed it doing nothing for me, I researched it myself and resolved the problem. I swear doctors are given too much credit. I'd say they use the guess and check method, but they often don't even bother to do the check part.
__________________
Check out the new and exciting twin stick shooter Omega Reaction on Steam!

http://store.steampowered.com/app/516520

Last edited by stix213; 02-14-2013 at 3:29 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 02-17-2013, 3:59 PM
iBkickinit iBkickinit is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 331
iTrader: 18 / 100%
Default

If I had access to real stuff from a doc, then I wouldn't, but you better believe I have quote a bit of fish meds set aside in my supplies.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 02-18-2013, 8:03 AM
Daesu's Avatar
Daesu Daesu is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Diego
Posts: 345
iTrader: 15 / 100%
Default

tag for later
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 8:46 AM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2016, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.