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Old 01-13-2013, 10:36 AM
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Eldub, not true, not even close. Please name me one commercially canned food that goes bad in 2 years or less.

I would go so far to say that home canning poses a greater risk to spoilage than commercially canned food. People take too many shortcuts and quality control along with proper sanitation.

Don't confuse the best use by freshness date with the food going bad.
Well, when I went back through my list, the items I was thinking about, some canned hams and some canned seafood actually were classified as 'semi-perishable'. So, yes, I'll agree with you for now. But will continue checking.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:12 AM
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For full details on storage of the items go here. Here's the list:

1. Hard Liquor
2. Rice
3. Sugar
4. Cornstarch
5. Honey
6. Distilled White Vinegar
7. Pure Vanilla Extract
8. Salt

I've also read that dried beans and pasta never expire either, just lose flavor and become harder to cook, but those weren't mentioned in the article.

What are your thoughts on with those foods?
Hard Liquor is not considered "food". While it has some caloric value from the sugars used in the initial fermentation,it doesn't have much in the way of vitamins, protien, fats etc.

Vanilla extract is simply another form of hard liquor. It is alcohol in which vanilla beans have been soaked and the alcohol takes up vanilla "flavor".

Distilled White Vinegar is more useful as an additive for pickling, a flavoring, or as a cleaning or medical supply than it as a food on it's own.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:16 AM
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Properly home canned food can be much more stable. Also, if you home can food and include lots of extra liquid, that can go a long way to satisfy your daily water needs. Remember, having a 10 year supply of rice and beans is useless if you only have 10 cases of bottled water. Especially here in CA where the majority of people have no access to a natural water source.
If you have burned through your 10 cases of bottled water, you are likely to have more immediate problems than food: Rioting, unstoppable fires, etc... 10 years without water in Socal? I don't think that a few extra jars of "canned food" liquid is going to make that much of a difference over a 10-year period.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:27 AM
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ive heard that mayonnaise has enough preservatives in it that until its opened it will never expire.. not sure how true it is but kinda gross really
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:33 AM
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past the expiration date. Tried and it had a very stale taste. I am sure it is due to the oil going rancid. It may not be bad for you, but it did not taste at all decent.

Peanut butter seems to have a shelf life of about 2 years but the best solution so you never have to worry about it going bad is to just eat the whole jar in one sitting

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Old 01-13-2013, 11:41 AM
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I hope you are joking. The lead residue from primers and bullet bases probably finds its way through the fabric into your rice. I suppose in an end-of-the-world scenario it might be worth it to eat that and risk lead poisoning, but otherwise, no.

Yikes! That's a very good point and something I didn't think of.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:44 AM
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problem with rice and pasta is no protein
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:27 PM
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Freeze-dried instant coffee properly vacuum sealed in it's original jar can last decades. I read of an account of a guy who found a jar that was over 20 years old and he claimed it tasted like new. Years ago, my mother-in-law made me a cup of instant coffee (she had no other coffee in the house), and it tasted like typical instant. But I later found out that the jar she used has been opened for over 5 years. Being a non-coffee drinker, she just had it around for guests.
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Old 01-13-2013, 5:01 PM
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Eldraque, once again please look up your sources before you post BS. Pasta and rice does in fact have good protein. Took 2 minutes to look it up from a nutritional web site.
The carbs in them make them a excellent food that your body turns to energy with little work.


Serving Size Protein Calories Calories from Protein Percent of Calories from Protein

Rice, white, long-grain, parboiled, enriched, cooked
100g 2.29 g 114.00 9.16 8.0%
1 cup 4.01 g 199.50 16.03 8.0%

Rice, white, long-grain, parboiled, enriched, dry
100g 6.79 g 371.00 27.16 7.3%
1 cup 12.56 g 686.35 50.25 7.3%

Rice, white, long-grain, parboiled, unenriched, cooked
100g 2.29 g 114.00 9.16 8.0%
1 cup 4.01 g 199.50 16.03 8.0%

Rice, white, long-grain, parboiled, unenriched, dry
100g 6.79 g 371.00 27.16 7.3%
1 cup 12.56 g 686.35 50.25 7.3%

Rice, white, long-grain, precooked or instant, enriched, dry
1 cup 7.28 g 360.05 29.11 8.1%
100g 7.66 g 379.00 30.64 8.1%

Rice, white, long-grain, precooked or instant, enriched, prepared
100g 2.06 g 98.00 8.24 8.4%
1 cup 3.40 g 161.70 13.60 8.4%

Rice, white, long-grain, regular, cooked
100g 2.69 g 130.00 10.76 8.3%
1 cup 4.25 g 205.40 17.00 8.3%

Rice, white, long-grain, regular, cooked, enriched, with salt
100g 2.69 g 130.00 10.76 8.3%
1 cup 4.25 g 205.40 17.00 8.3%

Rice, white, long-grain, regular, cooked, unenriched, with salt
100g 2.69 g 130.00 10.76 8.3%
1 cup 4.25 g 205.40 17.00 8.3%

Rice, white, long-grain, regular, cooked, unenriched, without salt
100g 2.69 g 130.00 10.76 8.3%
1 cup 4.25 g 205.40 17.00 8.3%

Rice, white, long-grain, regular, raw, enriched
100g 7.13 g 365.00 28.52 7.8%
1 cup 13.19 g 675.25 52.76 7.8%

Rice, white, long-grain, regular, raw, unenriched
100g 7.13 g 365.00 28.52 7.8%
1 cup 13.19 g 675.25 52.76 7.8%

Pasta, corn, dry
2 oz 4.25 g 203.49 17.01 8.4%
100g 7.46 g 357.00 29.84 8.4%
1 cup 7.83 g 374.85 31.33 8.4%

Pasta, fresh-refrigerated, plain, as purchased
100g 11.31 g 288.00 45.24 15.7%
4.5 oz 14.48 g 368.64 57.91 15.7%

Pasta, fresh-refrigerated, plain, cooked
2 oz 2.94 g 74.67 11.74 15.7%
100g 5.15 g 131.00 20.60 15.7%

Pasta, fresh-refrigerated, spinach, as purchased
100g 11.26 g 289.00 45.04 15.6%
4.5 oz 14.41 g 369.92 57.65 15.6%

Pasta, fresh-refrigerated, spinach, cooked
2 oz 2.88 g 74.10 11.54 15.6%
100g 5.06 g 130.00 20.24 15.6%

Pasta, homemade, made with egg, cooked
2 oz 2.99 g 74.10 11.95 16.1%
100g 5.24 g 130.00 20.97 16.1%

Pasta, homemade, made without egg, cooked
2 oz 2.44 g 70.68 9.75 13.8%
100g 4.27 g 124.00 17.10 13.8%

Rice, white, with pasta, cooked
100g 2.54 g 122.00 10.16 8.3%
1 cup 5.13 g 246.44 20.52 8.3%

Rice, white, with pasta, dry
100g 9.37 g 368.00 37.48 10.2%
1 cup 15.27 g 599.84 61.09 10.2%
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Old 01-14-2013, 10:12 AM
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It's an urban legend that Twinkies have an extended shelf life. Because they have dairy products as ingredients they are actually only good for 25 days

http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/twinkies.asp
Wife put a box of twinkees in the cabinet, didn't tell me about it, and forgot it was there. I find it, open it up, thinking I am going to put the hurt on that box, already drooling, open it up, bags of black mold!!
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ALL unprocessed grains/beans will last many generations if stored in a dry airless sealed metal container.

oxygen is the second biggest killer of such foods, water is the first. then comes heat.
storing in sub zero cond is best.

all of your caned goods will out live your kids kids. just as long as no rust or the cans are not swelling.
may not be all that tasty or many vitamins, left but will feed you.

all processed foods will go bust, (no more Twinkies). there i$ a built in de$ign for thi$ a$ the maker$ want you to buy more. $$$$


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More "food for thought"; expiration dates are not always when the food will go bad. Food loses its nutrients over time. The "expiration date" is simply when the food will match its nutrition facts, not when it will go moldy or un-fit for human consumption.
Most canned food will last MUCH longer than their expiration date, but may not give you the nutrients as stated on the Nutritional Facts Label.
Look, Smell, Taste. When starving to death a can of chili that has 60% of the nutrients listed on its label is still.....canned chili.
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:10 PM
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I've eaten several year old Ramen Noodles. Those things stay good a long time!

If all else fails, they are hard enough to start a foundation on a new structure!
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Lol, so true. Just like in "supersize me"
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Honey is good forever! They have uncovered many ancient Tombs across the world that had remains of honey and it was still good.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/yuyat.htm
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Ps, bought a solar powered "generator" storage device at Costco yesterday for $699. Will try it out today. Works at steady 1500 watts. Will expand it with some solar collectors from harbor freight. So solar day, gas generator night. If needed.
Nope. Switch it around. Use the solar powered generator during the day to charge batteries to be able to run silent at night.

Use the generator during the day. Sounds travels farther at night.
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How about dates? I think some were found in an Egyptian tomb after a 2000 years and they were still somewhat together, but certainly not edible.
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