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Old 01-05-2013, 6:18 AM
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Howdy Folks;

First off I am a former LEO in Washington State - and I am retired military - have completed the Washington Reserve Police Academy and was employed while a Reserve officer off duty as armed Security through my Department up there, I have a Degree in Criminal Justice also. and I will be moving to CA in the near future and have been looking at jobs with G4S? I am very well qualified for this job based on the job description and other things except they requirement for a CPL and armed guard license - While in the military I was attached to Security Police Squadrons and was a Security Instructor for my squadron when I cross trained to Civil Engineering.

I have held Concealed Handgun Licenses in both TX and WA but seems CA will not honor my TX CHL.

Long story short - how to do I find information on where to get an armed guard license and CPL to meet the requirements for G4S - what might be the requirements and how difficult might they be to obtain.
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:55 PM
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The CA Dept of Consumer Affairs, BSIS handles the guard card and related licenses. A CPL or CCW is addressed via the local sheriff.
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Old 01-05-2013, 1:08 PM
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Here is info on getting the security guard and armed permit:
http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/guard_fact.shtml

They are quite easy to obtain. California doesn't really care about your training that occurred outside of our state so that will only matter to the company that hires you.

I'm not sure what you mean by "CPL"? If you are referring to your concealed pistol license we refer to it in these parts as "LTC" or license to carry. Individual counties issue the LTCs so it depends on which area you plan on moving to. This thread has more info on that subject:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=179
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Which part of CA are you moving to? The possibility of getting your concealed license (CCW) varies with location. In SoCal, San Bernardino County is still shall issue for the most part, while you can forget LA County and Orange County.

The guard card and open carry gun card for guards are very easy to get, you just have to take the tests. Don't fall for the trap that some "security training" schools offer, that they will teach you how to pass the course and charge you a grip for it. There are free courses through local ROP and other venues.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "CPL"? If you are referring to your concealed pistol license we refer to it in these parts as "LTC" or license to carry. Individual counties issue the LTCs so it depends on which area you plan on moving to. This thread has more info on that subject:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=179
And anyone in law enforcement will refer to it as a CCW permit. CalGuns is one the few places I have heard it called an LTC. People on CalGuns are big on making up acronyms for everything under the sun.
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And anyone in law enforcement will refer to it as a CCW permit. CalGuns is one the few places I have heard it called an LTC. People on CalGuns are big on making up acronyms for everything under the sun.
LTC is a direct transfer from the PC
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(a) Upon proof of all of the following, the sheriff of a
county, or the chief or other head of a municipal police department
of any city or city and county, may issue to an applicant a license
to carry
concealed a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of
being concealed upon the person:
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Even the application calls it LTC
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STANDARD APPLICATION FOR LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON (CCW)
and feels the need to add (CCW) as an explanation.

LTC has a further intention: although California law goes on to specify 'concealed', the acronym LTC does not require concealed - it's a license to carry, no manner specified.
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Since this is the LE forum, he should at least know what term law enforcement uses. A CCW permit is specifically to Carry a Concealed Weapon, where a LTC can be either oncealed or exposed. Not trying to split hairs, but speaking the same language is important.

For example, "cover me" means different things to law enforcement and the military. I witnessed that during the '92 LA riots.
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Since this is the LE forum, he should at least know what term law enforcement uses. A CCW permit is specifically to Carry a Concealed Weapon, where a LTC can be either oncealed or exposed. Not trying to split hairs, but speaking the same language is important.

For example, "cover me" means different things to law enforcement and the military. I witnessed that during the '92 LA riots.

too funny.

do they issue LTC with out the CCW ?
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too funny.

do they issue LTC with out the CCW ?
For counties with population under 200,000, that possibility exists in the law, but it seems very seldom to be used. A license to carry loaded/exposed is valid only in the county where issued.

PC 26150(b)(2)
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license to carry loaded and exposed in only that county a pistol,
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too funny.

do they issue LTC with out the CCW ?


My friend, I worked for LA County Sheriff for 32 years. They don't issue to the average Joe. Judges and celebrities, yes. Big donation supporters of King Leroy, yes. You, my wife, or any law abiding citizen, no way, Jose.

Just one more reason that permits should be issued on a statewide basis like Arizona does.
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Since this is the LE forum, he should at least know what term law enforcement uses. A CCW permit is specifically to Carry a Concealed Weapon, where a LTC can be either oncealed or exposed. Not trying to split hairs, but speaking the same language is important.

For example, "cover me" means different things to law enforcement and the military. I witnessed that during the '92 LA riots.
Well, I always heard of it as CCW but here everything is under LTC. I said LTC because I directed him to a thread in the LTC fourms and didn't want to confuse him anymore than California laws already will.
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My friend, I worked for LA County Sheriff for 32 years. They don't issue to the average Joe. Judges and celebrities, yes. Big donation supporters of King Leroy, yes. You, my wife, or any law abiding citizen, no way, Jose.

Just one more reason that permits should be issued on a statewide basis like Arizona does.
Ron, please run for LA County Sheriff. Thanks.
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Since this is the LE forum, he should at least know what term law enforcement uses. A CCW permit is specifically to Carry a Concealed Weapon, where a LTC can be either oncealed or exposed. Not trying to split hairs, but speaking the same language is important.

For example, "cover me" means different things to law enforcement and the military. I witnessed that during the '92 LA riots.
+1 on that Ron
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Ron, please run for LA County Sheriff. Thanks.
He has more sense than that.
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