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Old 12-29-2012, 10:26 PM
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Default Transportation of a firearm not in a vehicle but on bicycle or on foot. / no CCW

I was just wondering what the laws are reguarding transportation of a firearm not in a vehicle but on bicycle or on foot. I was reading that in some states fanny packs and backpacks are considered luggage and if you carry an unloaded firearm in them it's not required that you have a CCW. Is it the same way in California? I couldn't find any information on the subject...

Hypothetically - Could I carry a handgun in a fanny pack with a loaded mag also in the fanny pack, or in my pocket but not in the gun? Could the fanny pack be under my shirt where no one could see it? - Are these examples legal?

I'd never wear a fanny pack otherwise...
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:30 PM
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Plain and simple in a locked case/bag not readily accessible. Fanny pack would probably be no good unless you have a way to lock the fanny pack.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:33 PM
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Maybe a luggage lock or one of the gun cable locks that come with guns?
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Unloaded and in a locked container is what the law says. If you can lock the zippers together on a backpack/fannypack/computer bag ect you are good to go.
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Carry it open on your hip. Just be sure to ride your bike or run very very fast. Let me know how that goes for you.
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Plain and simple in a locked case/bag not readily accessible.
There is no requirement to be "not readily accessible." If its unloaded, in a locked container, it can be anywhere...on you dash, in your lap, on the seat next to you, in a backpack, in your hands as you walk down the street, etc.
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It isn't about the container being readily accessible, but what is locked inside. Like having a lock on a case with the key in the lock. Yeah it's locked, but it is accessible.
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There is one little twitch that can be an influence - transport not in a motor vehicle has 'destination requirements'.

Please see the wiki article -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Transporting
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Although a bike is not a motor vehicle per say, it is considered a mode of transportation in most cases, therefore you would be transporting the firearm and as Librarian says, there are destination requirement. Locked contained as a small gun vault slim case or the like would be ideal. I researched this before, since I ride 95% of the time specifically the back pack. My LEO friend of many years basically advised me, use a locking container within the backpack. Why, any LEO can give you a hard time if you can manipulate the weapon in anyway through its container. He tried it and was able to rack the slide even through a thick motorcycle pack. Second point, what if I needed to take something out of the backpack. Again, another technicality that could get you in trouble. Point is, the law in California is so misconstrued and so contradictory itself that any chance you take even while being legal can sometimes get you into a problem (with no repercussions) but becoming a huge headache nevertheless. Why risk it.

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Carry it open on your hip. Just be sure to ride your bike or run very very fast. Let me know how that goes for you.
Sir, how very wrong you are, governor moonbeam put a stop to that when he signed AB 144 only LGOC is available for the next few days before 2013 bans that to.
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I believe he was being sarcastic....
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Here's a scenario I've been thinking of: It's a nice day, you want to go to the range, wife wants to ride the mountain bikes. The range is biking distance away so you think can we ride our bikes to the range and back. What is the best way to carry handgun and ammo? I carry handgun in locked container in backpack and she carry the ammo? Does the magazines need to be empty?
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Move the firearms in a guitar case.. locked or Antonio Banderas style.
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Here's a scenario I've been thinking of: It's a nice day, you want to go to the range, wife wants to ride the mountain bikes. The range is biking distance away so you think can we ride our bikes to the range and back. What is the best way to carry handgun and ammo? I carry handgun in locked container in backpack and she carry the ammo? Does the magazines need to be empty?
Unloaded in a locked case - even though you are not 'in' a motor vehicle, 'home' and 'the range' are within the listed destinations.

Ammo can be in that same locked case.

And your wife should carry her own ...
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Here's a follow on question. What if I transport it in an unlocked bag, not in a case but a lock is inserted in the typical chamber through mag well fashion with ammo in the bag in boxes but no loaded magazines?
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Here's a follow on question. What if I transport it in an unlocked bag, not in a case but a lock is inserted in the typical chamber through mag well fashion with ammo in the bag in boxes but no loaded magazines?
Violates the exception to concealed carry for non-LTC holders. The trigger-locks and such are a 'checkoff item' for dealers; they are required by law to deliver a gun to a buyer only if the gun is accompanied by a safety device (or, for long guns, by leaving a signed safe affidavit). After that, they seem to be decent paperweights.

See the wiki -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Transporting
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You know you don't need to go through all this trouble to create a scenario where you can justify wearing a fanny pack.

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This thread has got me thinking, which might not be a good thing. Let's organize a Bay Area bike ride from Skyline Road up to Lake Chabot range! We can see who comes up with the most innovative way to carry rifles, pistols, and ammo on a bicycle. It'll be fun!
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Carry it open on your hip. Just be sure to ride your bike or run very very fast. Let me know how that goes for you.
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'home' and 'the range' are within the listed destinations.
That sounds like a catchy title for a song, I think I'll............
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That sounds like a catchy title for a song, I think I'll............
Yes, but watch out for 'buffalo', 'deer' and 'antelope', or you'll wind up with a house full of dirt.
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I want to buy a double rifle bag/case so i can just strap to my back while on the quad..any suggestions that would be legal
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