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Old 12-26-2012, 4:39 PM
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Default CAI M1 Garand?

Anyone know anything about this?
Going to pick one up soon
also reload recipe for the M1 Garand would be much appreciated too!
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Old 12-26-2012, 5:07 PM
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in a word??? Dont!
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in a word??? Dont!
Really?
the guy said he's put 500 rounds through it with no problem
are there problems with this one?
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Old 12-26-2012, 5:13 PM
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CAI receivers are cast, not forged like the originals, they are poorly cast at that, tolerance issues. Also the elevation cuts in the receiver are cast, not cut into the receiver, they will wear quickly. go find a CMP Garand for sale of buy direct from CMP. buy once and save yourself some possible headaches down the road. I have worked on Garands for better than 20 yrs. i personally wouldnt go near a CAI receiver. JT
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CAI receivers are cast, not forged like the originals, they are poorly cast at that, tolerance issues. Also the elevation cuts in the receiver are cast, not cut into the receiver, they will wear quickly. go find a CMP Garand for sale of buy direct from CMP. buy once and save yourself some possible headaches down the road. I have worked on Garands for better than 20 yrs. i personally wouldnt go near a CAI receiver. JT

Where can I get a CMP one?
and how easy is it to order off CMP?
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http://www.thecmp.org/Sales/eligibility.htm

Or just look through the "for sale" thread here, or go to a few gun shows or shops, they are not hard to find. JT
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oops, should have thrown ths link in too,,,

http://www.thecmp.org/Sales/m1garand.htm
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How much $ was you going to pick it up for?
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How much $ was you going to pick it up for?
$550 + DROS
also getting 20 fully loaded em blocs, sling, and cleaning kit
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With that much $$ invested i would get a "Service Grade" from CMP for $625 shipped to your door.
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With that much $$ invested i would get a "Service Grade" from CMP for $625 shipped to your door.

your allowed to have CMP ship directly to your door??!
can CMP rifles use commercial loads? I'm trying to use Prvi Partizan ammo
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You can get an adjustable gas plug & shoot what ever load you want in them. You can learn a lot about Garand on CMP forum.
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your allowed to have CMP ship directly to your door??!
Yes!

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can CMP rifles use commercial loads? I'm trying to use Prvi Partizan ammo
Commercial loads other than Hornady's Garand special not reccommended(without above mentioned adjustable gas plug), however CMP sells quality 30'06 noncorrosive brass surplus for 55c/rd delivered.
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I have a Century and just wanted a cheap Garand to put on the wall. I have heard of problems but I took it to the local gunsmith and said the headspacing was fine. I put about 20-50 rounds a year through it so I certainly don't really put it through its paces.

If I had the money and wanted a shooter, I'd go thru CMP and if I shot a lot I'd get one from Fulton for the brand new look.
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join the forums there, they always have some for sale

http://forums.thecmp.org
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gee my receiver on my springfield M1A is cast. i guess i will throw it away.
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whats the difference between cast and forged?
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Most Century Garands seem to be o.k. but there were a few with problems. As I recall many of these were built up with parts kits from Danish issue M1 Garands whose receivers could not be legally brought back in the U.S. - much like those poor Danish M1D snipers that got parted out in Canada so the parts kits could be imported here.

Back when Century was assembling and selling their M1 Garands, a lot of people bought them for use as parts to restore CMP Garands or build up rifles on receivers purchased from the CMP. They would be particularly appropriate for restoring/upgrading a Danish return Garand or building up a rifle with a receiver from one of the Danish returns. Some of these Century rifles had nice original WW2 parts and barrels, others had pristine examples of the highly regarded Danish barrels and/or other mixed Danish and Italian (Italy supplied Garands and parts - built with the original Winchester tooling and patterns - to Denmark) parts.

The main considerations regarding a Century Garand are:

1. There were problems with the quality of the receivers and their dimensions on some of these, so it is something you would want to get checked out.

2. Because the receivers are recent commercial production, they are not C&R like a real U.S. military M1 rifle.

3. You have to view them as a "sum of the parts/value of the parts" proposition. If the price approaches that of a CMP Garand, they're not that good of a deal. CMP rifle also has much better investment value and will go up in value more than the Century rifle.

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Notabiker,,,,, there is quality casting, (Like the compressor blades on a jet engine) and there is poor quality casting, CAI castings are the latter. Yes, your m1a is a casting, and probably a good one, but SA has had its share of issues with the casting of thier receivers.

Exodus,, cast receivers are made by pouring molten steel into a mold that closely conforms to the shape you wish and lightly machining to dimensions, with molten steel you do not get the "grain" of the steel to align and it will be a weaker part than a forged one.
With forging a solid block of steel is shaped under heat and a forging hammer that hammers the steel into the basic shape you want, it is then extensively machined to get the finished part. Since the heat and pressure of the forging hammer "align" the steels grain it will be a lot stronger part. On U tube there is a video of the forging process at Springfield Armoury.
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I thought the problem with CAI receiver had to do with functioning problems not strength.
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casting, when done right is a perfectly acceptable means of reaching what your desired goal in manufacturing. I suggest re reading post #4. Quality is not something added at the end of the manufacturing proccess, garbage in usually equates to garbage out.
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