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Old 02-22-2013, 1:45 PM
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One positive step we can take is calling Darrell Steinberg's office and your Representative's office and encourage them to make an exemption list of "legitimate hunting rifles". Senator Steinberg is the senator in my district and his office said this is something in consideration. Suggest Feinstein's exemption list as a starting point.

None of us want to see a semi-auto ban but if you enjoy hunting (and I do very much) then you'll call or write to protect hunting rifles such as the Browning BAR long/short trac, the Benelli R-1, the Ruger 10/22, other rifles we all know are NOT "Assault Weapons"!

UPDATE: OK some folks explained why this is a bad idea. Because I do know hunters who are going down this road use this thread to post the RIGHT IDEA so I can at least explain to them why this is the wrong road.

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why are you advocating for divide and conquer?
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NONE of the firearms considered in the various ban schemes are Assault Rifles. How about just opposing any and all unconstitutional bans?
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You cannot buy an assault rifle in California as it is right now. Assault rifles require an NFA tax stamp to purchase since they are full auto capable.
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You cannot buy an assault rifle in California as it is right now. Assault rifles require an NFA tax stamp to purchase since they are full auto capable.
while this is true...legislators are re-defining the "Assault" rifle for political reasons and posturing.

i'd wager most of them don't know which way to point a firearm when shooting it.
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Ummm.... NO!

Either STAND UP for ALL of our gun rights or GTFO. Im not going to help the "Hunters" when they refuse to help us Sport Shooters.

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Either STAND UP for ALL of our gun rights or GTFO. Im not going to help the "Hunters" when they refuse to help us Sport Shooters.

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Plus the fewer exemptions, the more illegitimate the law is in the first place.
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F that, I aint helping that bill pass constitutional muster. They can pass it as is, and we can battle it out in the courts.
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Yep, they are ALL hunting rifles and pistols. Also, hunting is not mentioned in the 2A nor was it about hunting.
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Yep, they are ALL hunting rifles and pistols. Also, hunting is not mentioned in the 2A nor was it about hunting.
Isn't this a contradiction? "They are all hunting rifles"

"hunting is not mentioned in the 2A nor was it about hunting"

First and foremost NOTHING is actually mentioned specifically in the 2A in regards to use of firearms.

All legal uses of firearms would then be INCLUDED in the core right. INCLUDING HUNTING! Subsistence living is also about survival if and when needed.
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Isn't this a contradiction? "They are all hunting rifles"

"hunting is not mentioned in the 2A nor was it about hunting"

First and foremost NOTHING is actually mentioned specifically in the 2A in regards to use of firearms.

All legal uses of firearms would then be INCLUDED in the core right. INCLUDING HUNTING! Subsistence living is also about survival if and when needed.
No contradiction, I was trying to point out to the OP that if you are looking for an exemption for "hunting" rifles then they need to ask all firearms to be exempted which is kind of silly to ask since the 2A wasn't about hunting. We need to be telling them (not asking) that what they are doing is a violation of the 2A and telling them to vote "NO" on anything that infringes on our constitutional rights.
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No contradiction, I was trying to point out to the OP that if you are looking for an exemption for "hunting" rifles then they need to ask all firearms to be exempted which is kind of silly to ask since the 2A wasn't about hunting. We need to be telling them (not asking) that what they are doing is a violation of the 2A and telling them to vote "NO" on anything that infringes on our constitutional rights.
You fail to see the problem with your remarks here. It falls into the hands of the anti crowd to divide.

Hunting with firearms is indeed part of the core right of the 2A as is all legal uses of firearms. STOP EXCLUDING HUNTING when referring the 2A!!!

All legal uses are part of the core right!
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One positive step we can take is calling Darrell Steinberg's office and your Representative's office and encourage them to make an exemption list of "legitimate hunting rifles". Senator Steinberg is the senator in my district and his office said this is something in consideration. Suggest Feinstein's exemption list as a starting point.

None of us want to see a semi-auto ban but if you enjoy hunting (and I do very much) then you'll call or write to protect hunting rifles such as the Browning BAR long/short trac, the Benelli R-1, the Ruger 10/22, other rifles we all know are NOT "Assault Rifles"!
All or nothing. Sorry, but why should you get to keep your rights while I lose mine. We all win, or we all lose.
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No. My AR shooting .223 IS a legitimate hunting rifle. Please grow a brain.
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You an anti or something? NO FREAKING WAY. We're strongest when we're allied.
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None of us want to see a semi-auto ban but if you enjoy hunting (and I do very much) then you'll call or write to protect hunting rifles such as the Browning BAR long/short trac, the Benelli R-1, the Ruger 10/22, other rifles we all know are NOT "Assault Rifles"!
Oh thats so sweet of you - you're willing to sell my rights out from under me so you can keep yours. Enjoy your single shot & bolt actions sir while you can.

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Oh and BTW - I don't hunt, so I really don't care about them taking any of THOSE rights away.
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Uhh... nope. If I want to hunt with a 6.8spc AR15, or a .308 Remington r15 I should be able to as well. But, because people stood idly by and let the CA legislature do exactly what you are advocating, i.e. divide and conquer, I don't have that ability in CA because they are "assault weapons".

Don't play their game. This is exactly what they want. If you call and write and plead to get your two favorite hunting guns put on some special list of "approved hunting rifles" then :
A. You have betrayed all of us by giving up the fight once your interests are taken care of.
B. Given them exactly what they are hoping for with these "exempt lists".

They WANT you to do this. Because then they can add a few non threatening popular and expensive guns to an approved list and immediately cut away half of the opposition. Then a few years later they will start whittling away at the approved firearms, and I assure you the people who lost their favorite guns because you caved once yours were protected will not stand with you.

I get the sense that you mean well, but frankly this is a very shortsighted way to go. It is time to hang together, or we will surely hang separately.

It is Not their place to decide which hunting rifles are appropriate or approved.
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The 2A is not about hunting. Accepting a compromise to "excluse legitimate hunting rifles" would be to concede the 2A only protects hunting.

No more compromises, no more concessions, no more nothing. It's line in the sand time. Cross it and it's time to get an "in your face" reminder about just exactly what the 2A was intended for.
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The 2A is not about hunting. Accepting a compromise to "excluse legitimate hunting rifles" would be to concede the 2A only protects hunting.

No more compromises, no more concessions, no more nothing. It's line in the sand time. Cross it and it's time to get an "in your face" reminder about just exactly what the 2A was intended for.
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My ar is my primary hunting rig. The bolt actions collect dust. Will not help you with that.
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No way. Just fight it. If they get their ban, then move your guns out of state or whatever. Don't register them. And wait for the lawsuits to be done with. Then you can bring them back. If not, they will never know where they are so you'll be sticking it to the man.
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This is a horrible idea. If you're trying to get this passed, this is how you do it. JB isn't going to sign a bill that bans every semi-auto hunting rifle, but you exempt a "safe hunting rifle roster" and you increase the chances.
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Nobody "needs" a 10/22. I still have pre-ban 25 rounders for mine, and it's a struggle every day to not go on a shooting spree.
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It was the exemptions made for firearms used in cowboy action shooting that got the original "safe handgun" roster passed.

NOT AGAIN

This is another one of those anti-gun bills disguised as a "pro-gun" bill.
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It was the exemptions made for firearms used in cowboy action shooting that got the original "safe handgun" roster passed.
^^^ ALWAYS remember this.

Also remember that the requirement for getting on the roster changed at a *later time* to include LCI, magazine disconnect and microstamping. This precludes, e.g., Gen 4 Glocks and XDm-s from ever getting on the roster.
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I see no mention in the 2nd Amendment or the Federalist Papers that the Founders meant to Protect Hunting Rifles, Plinking Rifles or Rifles used for Sport.

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BTW, have you not seen The Sportsman Channel lately? AR-15 type rifles are being used all the time these days for hunting. The other day they showed a 12 year old bag a wild turkey with an AR set up for hunting.
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Sorry. The term legitimate sporting rifle is just as meaningless as the term assault weapon.
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None of us want to see a semi-auto ban but if you enjoy hunting (and I do very much) then you'll call or write to protect hunting rifles such as the Browning BAR long/short trac, the Benelli R-1, the Ruger 10/22, other rifles we all know are NOT "Assault Rifles"!

**** you. Hunting is not protected by the 2A.
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If we can't stop a ban, we want the ban to be as broad as possible in order to encompass as many gun owners as it possibly can.

There are all too many naive idiots out there who don't stand with their fellow gunowners because they think their duck gun or deer rifle is safe.

Newsflash for them: when the owners of little black guns are out of the equation, there will be that many fewer voices to help prevent your Remington 700 being outlawed as a sniper rifle or your Browning BPS as a street sweeper.
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My AR-15 is every bit as "legitimate" a "hunting rifle" as your precious BAR. Let the bill stand, maybe the hunting community will finally "get" that the grabbers want them ALL.
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Even though I don't presently own a centerfire semi-auto rifle, I stand with all the AR, AK, SKS, etc. owners out there. The Bill of Rights is not up for negotiation.

They are trying to divide and conquer. First appeal to non-semi-auto owners to get some support from a few of us and then ban semi-autos. Next they'll be after lever and pump actions, stating they didn't realize how deadly those could be in the right hands. Finally they'll go after your hunting rifles because no one needs to hunt anymore, now that we are civilized enough to go to the grocery store.

You have to realize that there are idealistic antis that won't be satisified until they have eliminated ALL GUNS from our country. Have they ever stopped trying? Not in my lifetime. Your little exemption list won't get in their way.
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