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Old 02-20-2013, 11:20 PM
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Default 2013 CA SB 374 - VETOED OCT 11 -Steinberg - Firearms: assault weapons

5/29/2013 - passed Senate 23-15, sent to the Assembly.

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Defines any semiautomatic, rimfire, or centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed and the capacity to accept 10 rounds or fewer as an assault weapon.

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SB 374, as introduced, Steinberg. Firearms: assault weapons.
Existing law regulates the sale, carrying, and control of firearms, including assault weapons, and requires assault weapons to be registered with the Department of Justice. Violation of these provisions is a crime. Existing law defines a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and other specified features and a semiautomatic weapon that has a fixed magazine with a capacity to accept 10 or more rounds as an assault weapon.
This bill would, instead, classify a semiautomatic, rimfire or centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept 10 rounds or fewer as an assault weapon. The bill would require a person who, between January 1, 2001, and prior to January 1, 2014, lawfully possessed an assault weapon that does not have a fixed magazine, including those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with the use of a tool, to register the firearm by July 1, 2014. By expanding the definition of a crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.
This bill would require, on and after July 1, 2014, a Firearm Ownership Record to be submitted, as specified, to the Department of Justice for every firearm an individual owns, with prescribed exceptions, including firearms purchased from a licensed firearms dealer and documented by a Dealers’ Record of Sale transaction and assault weapons registered with the department. The bill would authorize the department to charge a fee of up to $19 per transaction for the submission of the Firearm Ownership Record.
The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.
This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason.

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time to buy a dozen 80%'s, finish them, and register them all as AWs.
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time to buy a dozen 80%'s, finish them, and register them all as AWs.
Why 80% lowers? This will ban everything from AKs and ARs to 10/22s as assault weapons.

Negating the law by refusal is better that complying when the law is this broad. Any semi-rifle that accepts a magazine will be labeled this way and as such will be subject to the laws and regulations of RAWs that are owned by people now.

Its unreasonable and unethical for any 2A supporter to comply with this law if it is passed.
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Why 80% lowers?
Because they can have any serial number I want on them...
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Why 80% lowers? This will ban everything from AKs and ARs to 10/22s as assault weapons.

Negating the law by refusal is better that complying when the law is this broad. Any semi-rifle that accepts a magazine will be labeled this way and as such will be subject to the laws and regulations of RAWs that are owned by people now.

Its unreasonable and unethical for any 2A supporter to comply with this law if it is passed.
You said pretty much all that needs to be said on the subject
"Its unreasonable and unethical for any 2A supporter to comply with this law if it is passed."
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time to buy a dozen 80%'s, finish them, and register them all as AWs.
Why register them ...? it sorta defeats the purpose of the 80% part.
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time to buy a dozen 80%'s, finish them, and register them all as AWs.
Yup. Smart people are doing that now. If for no other reason than it's a good money investment.
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Yup. Smart people are doing that now. If for no other reason than it's a good money investment.
If you're going to do that why wouldn't you just buy stripped lowers, rather than 80%s. it's cheaper and less hassle to build up a stripped lower.
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If you're going to do that why wouldn't you just buy stripped lowers, rather than 80%s. it's cheaper and less hassle to build up a stripped lower.
I'd love to see dozens/hundreds/thousands of registered weapons with overlapping 0000001, etc serial numbers fubar their database.
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Yup. Smart people are doing that now. If for no other reason than it's a good money investment.
Why would it be a "good money investment"? Once they are registered as AWs, you cant sell them.
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And if AB 170 passes, it will effectively eliminate the option of creating a firearms trust to pass them on.
Once they are registered assault weapons, you can't sell them to an individual in the State of California. You can still sell them to an individual, corporation or trust outside of California. AB170 doesn't really change that.

You couldn't pass it on to a California corporation or trust anyway because registration is closed and no person or the aforementioned entities could have registered them for legal possession. Out of state persons, trusts and corporations are not affected -- with or without AB170.
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Do these people and their staffers even proofread the bills they submit?
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I was going to make some chuckle about the M1 Carbine being an assault weapon, but then I found an even better victim.

If I've read Steinberg's bill correctly, the MARLIN MODEL 60 would be an assault weapon. Christ.

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I was going to make some chuckle about the M1 Carbine being an assault weapon, but then I found an even better victim.

If I've read Steinberg's bill correctly, the MARLIN MODEL 60 would be an assault weapon...
Don't think so since the 60 does not have a detachable magazine.
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Don't think so since the 60 does not have a detachable magazine.
Does it have a fixed that holds over 10?
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Don't think so since the 60 does not have a detachable magazine.
But it is more than 10+, hence an "assault weapon"
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But it is more than 10+, hence an "assault weapon"
And according to the DOJ guy at the hearing yesterday,the .22s we grew up with are just another deadly assault weapon in his opinion.
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I was going to make some chuckle about the M1 Carbine being an assault weapon, but then I found an even better victim.

If I've read Steinberg's bill correctly, the MARLIN MODEL 60 would be an assault weapon. Christ.

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I don't think the said bill applies to this gun because it refers to detachable magazines and the one in the picture I believe is considered as fixed magazine.
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I don't think the said bill applies to this gun because it refers to detachable magazines and the one in the picture I believe is considered as fixed magazine.
That is an assault weapon under SB374, sorry to say...
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I was going to make some chuckle about the M1 Carbine being an assault weapon, but then I found an even better victim.

If I've read Steinberg's bill correctly, the MARLIN MODEL 60 would be an assault weapon. Christ.

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I don't think the said bill applies to this gun because it refers to detachable magazines and the one in the picture I believe is considered as fixed magazine.
true but it does make the Ruger 10/22 an assault weapon. jeez these people are reaching for the stars. and good o'l moonbeam is ready to sign them. I have zero faith in that man not to sign them. so until we have an assurance that he won't I will say he will sign them all no matter how many phone calls, faxes, emails, letters we slam him with.


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Naw. They'll be engraved with 1-1000.

And ill register all 1000 of them.
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Naw. They'll be engraved with 1-1000.

And ill register all 1000 of them.
you have over $100000 for the paperweights and paperwork+time+money to finish them, and mail all of that?




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Also, some teeth have been removed. Better, but still not good:
Removing the section about specified fees doesn't mean there will be no fees to register. Does it appear that the intent is to provide free registration, or just that the fee will be determined later and not specified in advance?
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Removing the section about specified fees doesn't mean there will be no fees to register. Does it appear that the intent is to provide free registration, or just that the fee will be determined later and not specified in advance?
that removed section was about requiring us to register non-AWs as well as AWs. there is still a fee to register any newly-defined AWs.
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you have over $100000 for the paperweights and paperwork+time+money to finish them, and mail all of that?




Also, some teeth have been removed. Better, but still not good:
more like $25K if you know the right place....

there's nothing good about these bills, no sugar coating is needed....
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This bill would require, on and after July 1, 2014, a Firearm Ownership Record to be submitted, as specified, to the Department of Justice for every firearm an individual owns, with prescribed exceptions, including firearms purchased from a licensed firearms dealer and documented by a Dealers’ Record of Sale transaction and assault weapons registered with the department. The bill would authorize the department to charge a fee of up to $19 per transaction for the submission of the Firearm Ownership Record.
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And this is good - Register every gun you have.
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So is this saying that for example longguns purchsed via DROS from a dealer would not need to be re-registered? Is that because they are basically admitting that they're using the DROS as a defacto registration system already?
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So is this saying that for example longguns purchsed via DROS from a dealer would not need to be re-registered? Is that because they are basically admitting that they're using the DROS as a defacto registration system already?
I think you're misreading it. I think it says even those purchased with a DROS indeed MUST be re-registered.

EDIT: I see the confusion now; the language can be interpreted in two different ways. As I mentioned in a post above, there is some vagueness in the language of this bill.
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I think you're misreading it. I think it says even those purchased with a DROS indeed MUST be re-registered.

EDIT: I see the confusion now; the language can be interpreted in two different ways. As I mentioned in a post above, there is some vagueness in the language of this bill.
I was reading that to say that a longgun purchased from a dealer was a prescribed exception. Maybe that's because when the longgun registration kicks in next year any new longgun will automatically be registered via the DROS just like handguns have been.
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I was reading that to say that a longgun purchased from a dealer was a prescribed exception. Maybe that's because when the longgun registration kicks in next year any new longgun will automatically be registered via the DROS just like handguns have been.
(note: I said re-registered, when I should have said registered). My interpretation is that long-guns purchased even before the new registration law kicks in would have to be retroactively registered. For example, the AR lower and Mini-14 I bought last year would have to be registered. But I do see what you're saying too.

I guess we shouldn't be too quick to quibble about it yet; it's just a bill at this point, subject to amendment and clarification. But, we certainly DO need to mobilize to fight it.
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I was reading that to say that a longgun purchased from a dealer was a prescribed exception. Maybe that's because when the longgun registration kicks in next year any new longgun will automatically be registered via the DROS just like handguns have been.
Can't you guys read the actual bill instead of the summary. It's pretty clear what's to be registered and what's exempted. All pre-91 unregistered handguns and all detachable magazine rifles and shotguns are subject to registration. Also the newly-minted "assault weapons" but it's a different registration:
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27566. (a) On and after July 1, 2014, a Firearm Ownership Record shall be submitted by prepaid mail or delivered in person to the Department of Justice for every firearm an individual owns or possesses.
(b) The following firearms are exempt from subdivision (a):
(1) Handguns purchased from a licensed firearms dealer and documented by a Dealers’ Record of Sale (DROS) transaction on and after January 1, 1991.
(2) Rifles without detachable magazines and shotguns purchased prior to January 1, 2014.
(3) Assault weapons registered with the department pursuant to Section 30900.
(4) Firearms for which a Firearm Ownership Record has been previously filed by the current owner.
(c) The department may charge a fee in an amount sufficient to reimburse the department for the reasonable costs of maintaining the Firearm Ownership Record program, but in no case more than nineteen dollars ($19) per transaction to process the Firearm Ownership Record. After the department establishes the fee amount, the department may adjust the fee amount annually as necessary to cover the reasonable costs of administering the program. The fees shall be deposited into the Dealers’ Record of Sale Special Account.
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So is this saying that for example longguns purchsed via DROS from a dealer would not need to be re-registered? Is that because they are basically admitting that they're using the DROS as a defacto registration system already?
Long gun registration will already be active by that date, so no need to "double dip".
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Long gun registration will already be active by that date, so no need to "double dip".
The new law for 2014 is for new purchases of long guns, this bill requires registration of previously purchased long guns.
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I was wondering when the penny would drop ...

And this is good - Register every gun you have.
...and at YOUR cost. Perhaps it's nearing time to water the Tree of Liberty?
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I was wondering when the penny would drop ...

And this is good - Register every gun you have.
It is?
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