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Old 01-23-2013, 5:18 PM
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Default 2013 Fed S 150 Feinstein - AW ban TEXT NOW AVAILABLE

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:s150:

Be aware that the actual language of the bill will not be available via official sources (Government Printing Office) for a day or so.

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Now, please stop making new DiFi AW Ban threads.
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I count at least 6 senate democrats who are up for re-election in 2014 in very pro-gun states. Possibly 10 if I stretch it a bit.

The democrats have a choice to make. Pass the ban, or retain their senate majority. Even with the new filibuster rules, they need 60 votes to invoke cloture. Write your senators and representatives anyway. Tell them to straighten up and fly right.
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The only problem is that our senators are Feinstein herself and Boxer, who will definitely vote for it.
I know its wasted effort (it made me feel a bit better), but I sent an email to DiFi to show my distaste.

Dear Senator Feinstein,

Today I watched as you unveiled your attempt to once again restrict the rights of me and my fellow Americans.

As a hunter and sportsman I am offended by the comment that no one is trying to take my guns; the fact of the matter is that is EXACTLY what you are trying to accomplish. Even if you don’t take away my guns, you will have effectively taken them from future generations.

As a father I am saddened that by outlawing the transfer of your listed firearms, my daughter will never be able to receive her rightful inheritance and those firearms that should be rightfully hers will be seized and melted down by the government.

As a citizen of this country, I am concerned that the government that is supposed to represent me feels the need to either disarm me or treat me as a criminal.

As a veteran of a foreign war (Operation Desert Shield/Storm), I find it incredible that the elected representative from my state can attack the founding document of this nation with impunity and with no regard for what the veterans of this nation have fought to protect.

In short, Senator Feinstein, I am disgusted that you would stand on the graves of innocent children in an attempt to push through your personal agenda. This is not about preventing homicides as the firearms you have chosen to ban account for less than three percent of the weapons used in homicides (per 2011 FBI statistics). Rather this is about taking the first step towards total disarmament of the citizens of this nation.

As Ben Franklin so aptly said, “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

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I very rarely post, especially in the political side of the forum, but feel compelled to now.

One reason I rarely post here is that I would be just preaching to the choir. Unfortunately, the choir has seen more and more people just humming their own little tune.

We need to get back onto the same sheet of music: We are against any and all such legislation.

Don't be afraid to preach to the choir; that's how you get them to sing!

And don't be surprised by the inclusion of 22lr; they are setting precedent for future grabs.

I also see too many taking the same approach that LEO's are forced to---- doing their best to clean up after the crime was committed and file their reports on the dead bodies.

We know that they would like to -stop- the crime from occurring in first place. That's what we need to do now.

We cannot wait to see what we will do to exercise our rights under a new bill, or try to figure out how to fight it in court after its passage. We need to stop it from happening in the first place, and THEN BE READY to transition to a post passage fight.

Planning only a counter-attack means you're planning to be the first to lose. We need to be involved in -all- aspects of this battle; defensive fortifications, attack -and- counterattack. Only then can we hope for success.

We -are- on the defensive right now, meaning that we are on the wrong foot. But quietly hoping for the best will allow the worst. Remember, it's the loud, misguided, and oppressive few that are gaining ground.

Don't agree with past and upcoming rallies? That fine; contribute to the NRA-ILA. Disagree with the NRA? That's fine; join the GOA. There are options. The best being to take multiple approaches.

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Some of you are falling for the "shell game" being played by Feinstein here. You are making the mistake of thinking that because some (Kel-Tec SU16CA, Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle, etc.) are not mentioned by name, that they are not banned elsewhere by feature or by the simple fact that they are semi-automatic.

There is no cause for celebration here, nor any collective sigh of relief.
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It is definately a far flung attempt at gun grabbing. We still must fight it even if there isnt a chance it will pass. Someone mentioned that it is more about shifting the baseline on what is acceptable. The more crap they throw in there, the better the chance they can pass something less reaching down the road. They will be seen as 'reaching across the aisle' as a compromsie.
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This is a response letter I recieved from Assemblywoman Beth Gaines:

Dear Sir,

Thank you for contacting my office regarding your concerns about overbearing gun control legislation as a result of the recent shootings in the U.S.

I agree with you and I will continue to support our constitutional right to own firearms.

Thank you again, for contacting my office and fighting for the 2nd Amendment.

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Start contacing your reps now. Here is a link to find them:

http://whoismyrepresentative.com/
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People need to stop reading through the lists, it does not matter what is included and what is not. I do not care which of my firearms are affected or if I could modify them to meet the new criteria. I dont care if were able to knock off half of the list of even the one characteristic test, I will not stand for any part of this bill passing in any form. WE need to strike this one down and then start working on removing the bad laws already in place.
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Put your long pants on gentlemen, this one is going to get ugly. For those of you who think this thing is dead in the water, dream on. There is no compromise on either side of this so we must defeat this. Losing this battle means too much.
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People keep saying it's not going to pass because we understand math and politics. Anyone who thought it couldn't pass in 1994 did not understand math or politics. When the 1994 AWB was passed there were 258 Democrats and 176 Republicans in the US House. Of the Democrats, 188 voted for the AWB, and and 64 voted against. On the Republican side 46 voted For the ban, and 131 voted against.

That's about 25% defection from each party's stand. It is logical to assume that similar percentages would not vote with the party this time- Yes, The climate in the country towards gun rights is very ugly right now, but it was very ugly in 1994 as well. There had been a number of mass murders by way of shooting in the prior couple years, including what up to that point was the deadliest shooting spree in US history in a fast food establishment in Kileen, TX, as well as The infamous Long Island Railroad murder spree. There was also a school shooting in 1989 in Stockton, CA which killed 6, and was the impetus for the CA AWB which was what the Federal AWB was based on and inspired by. Emotions were running high then too.

There are a lot of similarities between then and now, and a few very important differences.

242 Republicans and 190 Democrats currently serve in the US House. It is likely that NRA membership is roughly double what it was in 1994- the only statistics I can find on this is that Membership has tripled since 1978, which was 16 years before the 1994 AWB. It has been 19 years since 1994, so it is likely that more than half of that growth has been since 1994. Regardless of the specific stats, it is obvious that the NRA is a much more powerful political force than it was in '94. The NRA grades members of congress, and the grades have skyrocketed since the 90's because politicians know how powerful the NRA is, so they have fallen in line. See: http://votesmart.org/interest-group/...2#.UQIMZo5MY20 (then) and http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...itics/nra.html (now).

Obviously it is important for us to not retreat now. I have written my representatives, and certainly encourage everyone to do the same. I just feel the frenzy of panic engulfing this site and our culture is not justified, and does not really do any good for us as gun owners, or the industry as a whole. Yes, the manufacturers are reaping massive profits right now. Gun shops did quite well for a while, but the consumers are paying for it, and the distributers and retailers across the country are going to have a very hard time continuing to do business if they have no product to sell, which seems to be the current situation.

If we could all just try to be rational and put our efforts into political action instead of overpaying for guns and ammo that will likely be much easier to come by and cheaper in a few months, I believe it would serve us all well.
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The way I see it ...If we gun owners don't get organized and fight this with every thing we have ....we will be sorry....
So please someone get a plan coming and lets do it....
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If only people understood that a $200 donation would do FAR more to preserve their gun rights than panic-buying $2000 worth of magazines/ammo/guns at a 300%+ markup.
This.

Also, try going to town-hall meetings, write letters, call people.. Be the change you want to see.

Want people to think gun owners are "normal" Be "normal".. Gun rights aren't partisan; constantly attacking democrats, while ignoring the fact that there's a lot of republicans that are also useless when it comes to the 2nd, isn't useful.

The message needs to be that the 2nd is about civil rights. It's NOT about partisan politics.

But, talk to people. Invite them to the range. Educate them. That's how you win.
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Here's a new thread with the correct title form.

As is very well known, the actual bill has been announced to be submitted Thursday, Jan 24, 2013.

I'll update 'nnn' to the actual bill number and the first post will have a link to the bill status at Thomas or someplace official.

I'll add the correct link to the bill to this post; please feel free to reply to this thread with that link.

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Comments that are merely an insult to the Senator and any co-sponsors should be sent directly to her contact page, https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pub....cfm/e-mail-me - or, better, withheld entirely.
My concern as every one in California, is if this poisonous bill passes the way it is wrote would have a complete impact on curently A-R 15 CA compliant rifles. If you decide to follow communist law and register they will at that time not approve (based on California law conflictinf with Federal Law) and confiscate your rifle!!! Now you know why Senator Yee is holding back as he knows this is their game plan for California if it passes!!! Please correct me if I am wrong as I would much rather be wrong.
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Easy way to oppose this: https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/113/s150/report#nation
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Don't get complacent folks, read "American gun owners a bunch of fools?"

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/are-...unch-of-fools/
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I have no idea who will look at this, but I love the fact that ALL comments so far are opposed to the Bill, and they are from all over the country.

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My request is simple and brief. The Second Amendment of the Constitution was crafted with great foresight to protect the ability of the citizen to bear arms, to protect onself from their government should it become tyranical. Today, as in days past, that is a necessary right. Unfortunately many politicians are forgetting this, and trampling on their oaths to defend and protect the Constition. Please do not do this. Please take the time to look at crime statistics, and FBI data. Taking legally owned weapons from the hands of law abiding citizens will only increase crime by criminals who by definition do not follow laws and will prey on those they know to be unarmed. Also, please stop being a hypocrit, as you have a concealed carry pistol and armed guards.

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DiFei knows the bill wont pass as is, it's her starting point for negotiations with the conservative law makers.
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I don't understand why so many of you think this bill won't pass. The political climate is ripe, plus a similar bill obviously passed in 1994. Don't be complacent.
People, don't underestimate the power of propaganda! The Obamacare meatgrinder was very instructive as we watched them fold one after the other after the other. We all thought Obamacare would be overturned, then the chief justice folded. We all thought he'd be defeated in '12, but WE folded (not to mention +- 4% voter fraud). The current machine is a propaganda master, don't underestimate the fever pitch of emotion and the strong arm tactics that will stop at nothing. No presumptions, no laying down, no compromise!
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Dear Mr. and Mrs. XXXXXXXXX:
Thank you for contacting me to express your support for common-sense gun laws. I appreciate hearing from you, and I share your desire for sensible federal gun safety legislation.
The massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School tragically stole the lives of 26 people, including 20 small children, and broke all of our hearts. We have failed our children, and we must take common-sense steps now to protect them. Since 1999 - the year of the massacre at Columbine High School - 258 students, teachers, and others have been killed in school shootings. Another 212 have been wounded due to gun violence at our schools.
The slaughter of innocents must stop. We cannot prevent every attack by those who wish us harm, but we can and must take some common-sense steps. First, we must take weapons of war and high-capacity clips off our streets; second, we must ensure that local law enforcement is involved in reviewing conceal and carry permits; third, we must close the gun show loophole so background checks are conducted; fourth, we must keep all guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and get them the help they need; and fifth, we must keep our schools safe by utilizing all of the law enforcement tools at our disposal.
In the days ahead, I will work for a comprehensive strategy, which includes sensible gun laws, a focus on mental health, and school safety. When there are an estimated 300 million firearms in the United States, nearly one gun per person, now is the right time. When more than 31,000 people die each year from gun violence in our nation - 87 people every day - now is the right time.
Again, thank you for writing to me. Please feel free to contact me again about this or other issues of concern to you.

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i dont get why people are so concerned about which gun is on a certain list? who cares? no compromise!

im not even a fan of the ar15 or any gun in CA that needed a bullet button but i still fought for it when all that YEE crap was going on

this is nothing different, we just need to keep fighting for our rights no matter what!!!!

NO MORE, NOT ONE INCH!!!!

oh yea and stop panic buying and supporting the price gougers SMH
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Gun rights in California are already to strict just imagine a federal law that bans everything. This is just a way to control the people, just in case there is another revolution. That way no one has a way to fight back. The **** is going to hit the fan soon and they don't want us armed. We will have to resort to the middle east tactics of sling shots and rock throwing. LoL.... we need to push back hard to stop them from taking are guns. Here is a link to send the political parties a letter to fight for gun owners. http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/#
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"Put simply, we cannot allow the rights of a few to override the safety of all. That is not the America that our founding fathers envisioned. And that is not the America I want my children and grandchildren to live in."

Dianne Feinstein, Congressional Record for 1/24/2013 page S291.

Right from the horse's mouth, she said that this bill will violate your rights.
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Three things to keep in mind:

1. Letters to senators and reps are typically not read by the politicians themselves. Those duties are tasked to unpaid interns, who read them and then give the aggregated sense of what they say to someone else in the chain, like a legislative analyst tasked with this issue, or perhaps the chief of staff. They may quote a specific letter if something really stands out or if they want to use it as an example of a larger trend, but mostly what your letter does is add a tally to the 'yes' or 'no' column.

For that reason, telling Feinstein you think she is a hypocrite because she CCWs while submitting this bill doesn't really do anything productive except make you feel good. She's not going to read it, and the staff member who passes the info along is likely to say 'many people opposed it, but they were all gun nuts who think you were a hypocrite'.

Instead, I recommend writing a letter that sticks to the point and can be easily bullet pointed (no pun intended). For example: Ms. Feinstein, I am writing to let you know I oppose the bill you submitted because: (reason 1, one sentence) (reason 2, one sentence) (etc). It will stick in the minds of those reading it and will help the reader file other, more rambley, letters into the categories of the reasons you listed.

2. This bill can be amended infinite times before it passes. Pointing out stupid logical mistakes they made in which ones are banned by name just helps them fix that in a later amendment. This work is done by the analysts in the staffing offices, not by the elected officials themselves. Those would be the same people who would read this forum.

3. Virtually no Senator or Rep's mind is going to be made up based on a few oversights in the details of the bill. Instead, they are going to look at what it is trying to achieve, think about whether it might actually do that, and whether that is something worth doing. You are not going to persuade them to vote no based on a few logical flaws or because a few guns missed the ban list. It might work if there are just such an overwhelming number of them the media turns and starts calling the bill dumb, but until then focus on the big picture and not the details if you want to be convincing.

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I am going to write my Congressmen and Senators stating that the money and effort required implementing this bill would be better spent on something else. It seems crazy to dedicate so much time and money on something that accounts for so little, percentage wise, in death and crime.

I figure this argument alone will be sufficient to stop the bill if anyone is on the fence in Congress, and it doesn’t point out any flaws in the law itself.
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Forgot to mention the obvious intent to limit our rights. I have included that in the letter too
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Got an email response for a representative (a Democrat) from a suburban area. A bonifide lib... Not saying who a I don't want to poison the well or make em a target from other libs. Interesting, not a DiFi answer. Interesting in that Im only seeing mention of background checks... You be the judge:
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As with any other dangerous item, people who own guns must be held to the highest standards of safety especially since misuse of firearms is so often lethal. Rest assured that I will keep your views in mind should legislation involving greater regulation of firearms comes before the House of Representatives.

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Got an email response for a representative (a Democrat) from a suburban area. A bonifide lib... Not saying who a I don't want to poison the well or make em a target from other libs. Interesting, not a DiFi answer. Interesting in that Im only seeing mention of background checks... You be the judge:
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Thank you for contacting me regarding gun control and gun safety. I value your views, and enjoy hearing from my constituents.

I am supportive of the Second Amendment and agree that people generally should be able to own firearms for self-defense and sport. However, I strongly believe it is our responsibility to prevent those people who would use them recklessly or to break the law from getting them.

As with any other dangerous item, people who own guns must be held to the highest standards of safety especially since misuse of firearms is so often lethal. Rest assured that I will keep your views in mind should legislation involving greater regulation of firearms comes before the House of Representatives.

Thank you again for contacting me with your thoughts and concerns. It is an honor to serve you in Congress.

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Seems that's in line with DiFi's view, the second amendment only applies in areas I say it does.
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Sorry for the many replies - I just got here and am getting caught up with the thread. Thought this was better than consolidating them into a "wall of text" - especially since some responses are serious, and others are an attempt to laugh at a bad situation.

Now, to make this post relevant and helpful - in addition to contacting your legislators, make sure you contribute to organizations that will fight for your civil rights. If you feel that the NRA has fumbled lately, consider joining/donating to the Second Amendment Foundation, the California Rifle and Pistol Association, or the CalGuns Foundation.
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And this perception is a big reason that LEOs should not be happy about such tactics. Even if they don't see it as harming them, such laws serve to segregate members of the LE community from other citizens who share interests and goals with them, and create distrust and ill-will between citizens and police.
Yup, and it creates many problems.
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From what I saw yesterday on CSPAN it doesn't look good for Feinstein and her AWB.

Her AWB failed the first time and now at least everyone knows it. The senate hearing at least confirmed that any outright gun grab is going to be a lot tougher than previously thought.

Feinstein was talking about the bump fire stock which allows the shooter to "fire 400-800 rounds allowing for multiple rounds to be fired from one pull of the trigger" Well if thats the case that would make the gun a machine gun and be highly illegal nation wide.

Then she talked about how you can accessories the AR to make it more accurate and deadly.............. Really? The gun is as accurate as its going to be even with accessories. What makes it better are better components that can affect accuracy. Barrel, ammunition, free floating barrel, etc can increase accuracy not a pistol grip, red dot sight or anything else she was hinting at.

She really lost it when she talked about how the bullets travel really fast and are capable of causing tremendous trauma to little people.......... I'm sure she was referring to kids and Sandy Hook, although I could be wrong. On the same note I sure in the hell glad she isn't aware of larger calibers out there. I mean she is convinced that the .223 round is the deadliest round on the market. Even though its on of the weaker side of the rifle world. Things like the .300WM .338 Lapua .375Cheytac, .50BMG/DTC are bigger and have a whole hell of a lot more wallop than the .223 round. Others at least are aware of this and see Feinstein as someone with an outdated agenda who is unaware of what she is pushing for.

She has even lost support here in Kommiefornia so hopefully she won't reign supreme too much longer.
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From what I saw yesterday on CSPAN it doesn't look good for Feinstein and her AWB.

Her AWB failed the first time and now at least everyone knows it. The senate hearing at least confirmed that any outright gun grab is going to be a lot tougher than previously thought.

Feinstein was talking about the bump fire stock which allows the shooter to "fire 400-800 rounds allowing for multiple rounds to be fired from one pull of the trigger" Well if thats the case that would make the gun a machine gun and be highly illegal nation wide.

Then she talked about how you can accessories the AR to make it more accurate and deadly.............. Really? The gun is as accurate as its going to be even with accessories. What makes it better are better components that can affect accuracy. Barrel, ammunition, free floating barrel, etc can increase accuracy not a pistol grip, red dot sight or anything else she was hinting at.

She really lost it when she talked about how the bullets travel really fast and are capable of causing tremendous trauma to little people.......... I'm sure she was referring to kids and Sandy Hook, although I could be wrong. On the same note I sure in the hell glad she isn't aware of larger calibers out there. I mean she is convinced that the .223 round is the deadliest round on the market. Even though its on of the weaker side of the rifle world. Things like the .300WM .338 Lapua .375Cheytac, .50BMG/DTC are bigger and have a whole hell of a lot more wallop than the .223 round. Others at least are aware of this and see Feinstein as someone with an outdated agenda who is unaware of what she is pushing for.

She has even lost support here in Kommiefornia so hopefully she won't reign supreme too much longer.
Can you please elaborate on the very last bit regarding her having lost support here in ca? In 2012 she set the record for most votes for us senate in history with 7.75 million votes, and has been a politician since 1970. I sure as hell wasn't one of them, and I'd love it if she did lose support. I just don't think that's true. Looks like her death is way more likely than losing re election in this politically ****ed up state.
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and yet we still have to worry about Yee. keep fighting the fight !
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TTAG has some good comments about the illogic of HRH's Naughty and Nice lists.
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Sweinstein has one hell of a lot a power in the senate . She is fixated in becoming 'the Senator' who saved America from the evil guns. She makes me puke!!!!!!
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Actual text now up. - but, see post above
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