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Old 01-17-2013, 8:33 AM
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I am thinking of stashing firearms and ammo in my BOL by burying them. What would be the best way of doing it? Can I just wrap it in plastic and put it in a sealed container and then bury it or do I have to cover the firearms with some kind of grease or something?
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Glued pvc or abs pipe. Dessicant, and oil the guns like you would use them. If you are storing surplus ammo or cheap Russian new ammo, make sure it works.
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Clean and thoroughly lube the firearm.

Wrap firearm in clean cloth.

Place firearm into appropriate length/diameter piece of PVC pipe.

Drop in several packets of dessicant. This will suck the moisture from the air inside the sealed PVC pipe.

Drop in several "oxygen absorbers". Rust is oxidation. No oxygen, no rust.

Using the appropriate PVC glue, attach end caps to PVC pipe.

Bury in ground where you will be able to find it later, but nobody else will stumble across it.

Store ammo in same manner in seperate PVC pipe but leave out the oxygen absorbers. Not sure how the powder will react to a no oxygen environment for a long period of time.
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Store ammo in same manner in seperate PVC pipe but leave out the oxygen absorbers. Not sure how the powder will react to a no oxygen environment for a long period of time.
it is already in no ox, if it were not sealed, powder would absord moister....
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This cache kept the stuff secret but not dry! Found in Israel

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Yes sir! Thanks PAUL0660 and DECOLIGNY for your input. I am going to Homedepot right now to buy materials.
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Bury deep or satellites can see the temperature differences. I know Customs finds drugs with thermal imagery. Anything that is nearer the surface and is not ground temperature can show up.
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Bury deep or satellites can see the temperature differences. I know Customs finds drugs with thermal imagery. Anything that is nearer the surface and is not ground temperature can show up.
I think pretty much anything in the ground for a few days is ground temp. There may be other methods to find buried stuff.

I like the idea of using a post hole digger and burying the container vertically.
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Bury deep or satellites can see the temperature differences. I know Customs finds drugs with thermal imagery. Anything that is nearer the surface and is not ground temperature can show up.
The satellites pick up on the temperature difference in the TUNNELS used to smuggle drugs across the border. This is because the tunnels have people, lights, and other things that cause the tunnel to be a different temperature.

Leave the gun and the PVC outside for an hour and it will be the same temp as the ground. This time of year, probably colder.
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Bury deep or satellites can see the temperature differences. I know Customs finds drugs with thermal imagery. Anything that is nearer the surface and is not ground temperature can show up.
They actually can see "disturbed" dirt so making a hole is the problem. Make sure your hole is under trees or in a cave or maybe under a large rock.
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Thanks winnre! I also need to buy extra cleaning kit to put away. Wish that the field kits and spare parts that is backordered would arrive already,
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No one will use their guns when SHTF . Look at the posted reactions now when there is talk of confiscation.
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I do agree with the recommendations on prep to inhibit rust, however, you may want to consider not gluing the ends of the PVC. How will you open it when SHTF??

Rather, prep the firearm, and seal it up in a food saver bag (with a descant and O2 absorber). When you need it, you won't need tools to open the pipe, only a knife to cut the food saver bag.
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I do agree with the recommendations on prep to inhibit rust, however, you may want to consider not gluing the ends of the PVC. How will you open it when SHTF??

Rather, prep the firearm, and seal it up in a food saver bag (with a descant and O2 absorber). When you need it, you won't need tools to open the pipe, only a knife to cut the food saver bag.
^this and the same with the ammo, you also might want to consider a Pelican case for the rifle instead of a PVC pipe, with 6 inch PVC you will have to remove the pistol grip off your AR/AK, 8 inch PVC is alot more expensive and by the time you buy all the parts to close it, you could have afforded a Pelican case. When you bury it, as you cammo up the spot, make sure to through some scrap metel around nails/screws what ever, anyone searching with a metel detector will find that stuff and keep moving
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^this and the same with the ammo, you also might want to consider a Pelican case for the rifle instead of a PVC pipe, with 6 inch PVC you will have to remove the pistol grip off your AR/AK, 8 inch PVC is alot more expensive and by the time you buy all the parts to close it, you could have afforded a Pelican case. When you bury it, as you cammo up the spot, make sure to through some scrap metel around nails/screws what ever, anyone searching with a metel detector will find that stuff and keep moving
a box of steel shot shotgun shells, cut open and scattered, around the area
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a box of steel shot shotgun shells, cut open and scattered, around the area
^^^^This is important!! Cache rule#4...Metal detectors are your enemy!
Toss a bunch #16 penny nails in the area and a handful of steel washers.
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I do agree with the recommendations on prep to inhibit rust, however, you may want to consider not gluing the ends of the PVC. How will you open it when SHTF??

Rather, prep the firearm, and seal it up in a food saver bag (with a descant and O2 absorber). When you need it, you won't need tools to open the pipe, only a knife to cut the food saver bag.
Naw......Glue / Seal that sucker up. then bury a hacksaw (broken down with extra blades) greased in a vacuumed food saver bag, next to it.
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I do agree with the recommendations on prep to inhibit rust, however, you may want to consider not gluing the ends of the PVC. How will you open it when SHTF??

Rather, prep the firearm, and seal it up in a food saver bag (with a descant and O2 absorber). When you need it, you won't need tools to open the pipe, only a knife to cut the food saver bag.
Buddy I'm pretty sure the guy will have a saw next to his shovel when he starts digging.
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There was a bank robber called the Friday night bank robber who hid his money firearms and other supplies in forests and creeks. He made over a few million and was on the run for over a decade before he was caught.
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I think it won't hurt if I combine all of the above suggestions, I can use my wife's Foodsaver thingy, vacuum seal it. then put it inside PVC pipe with dessicants. Then stuff the PVC pipe inside long wooden munition box.
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I think it won't hurt if I combine all of the above suggestions, I can use my wife's Foodsaver thingy, vacuum seal it. then put it inside PVC pipe with dessicants. Then stuff the PVC pipe inside long wooden munition box.
Exactly what I did. I use Mobil 1 bearing grease, lubed up the rifle, threw a few desiccant bags and Oxygen absorber into a food vaccum bag and had the machine pull all the air out. Make sure its the heavy duty bags, the thinner bags punctures when it gets vacuumed up against any metal edges. I also threw in a few hundred rounds of ammo in the vacuum bagged rifle.

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... I would put the barreled action, bolt, any other metal parts into a 6" PVC tube with a glued cap on one end. I would then fill the tube with synthetic motor oil, filled as full as I could. Then glue a cap on the other end. Then I would insert that sealed pipe into either an 8" or 10" PVC pipe with a glued cap on one end. I would then fill that tube with silica gel, put a PVC saw in it, and cap the other end with a gasketed screw on cap.

What do you guys think?
I like the idea of fully submersing the rifle in motor oil in a sealed tube, its a lot simpler and the PVC is stronger than the vacuum bag.

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I think it won't hurt if I combine all of the above suggestions, I can use my wife's Foodsaver thingy, vacuum seal it. then put it inside PVC pipe with dessicants. Then stuff the PVC pipe inside long wooden munition box.
Don't make my mistake, put away the wife's foodsaver!!!
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get the clean out screw in things, i forget what they are actually called, you basically make it a screw top, its still air/water tight too, maybe put a pair of good size cheap pliers next to it.

but first, get a 6 inch pvc, dig the hole big enough for that, put the 6" into the hole, then insert the 4 inch inside the 6, otherwise you have to dig dang near the wholle thing back up to get it out in 10 years, once everything settles it doesnt just slide out of the ground by grabbing the top. increase the outer pvc for whatever pvc you use for the storage part.

I cant see PVC ever exceeding the cost of a rifle size pelican case. not to mention that makes it wider than a pvc. unless you buy it pre cut or something, buy it in 10 or 20 foot lengths and its fairly cheap, then cut to what you want

cheaper than dirt does have some burial grade ziplock type bags btw, but they are like 80 bucks for rifle size as I recall.
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can you elaborate as to why not?
They have been price gouging badly during this gun run - amongst the worst offenders. They are also very anti-California in their business practices - leaving gun owners in the state high and dry. They should be supporting us, not abandoning us. We live in occupied territory afterall. We are in effect, the resistance.
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This is a good read on the subject.

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On the other hand, I think this bit is probably true:

If you think it's time to start burying guns, it's time to dig them up.
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On the other hand, I think this bit is probably true:

If you think it's time to start burying guns, it's time to dig them up.
that makes perfect sense.
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Thank you for the links VictorFranko and .22guy. I prefer the one with no paper trails and on the cheap side.
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False wall in the back of a closet.

Texture it, paint it and your done, all you need is about 4 in to stack things in.

Need your stuff in a hurry and just kick in the wall.

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Yes sir! Thanks PAUL0660 and DECOLIGNY for your input. I am going to Homedepot right now to buy materials.
Oh no, run on HD materials also!
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This is pretty long with lots of great information.
http://www.pssurvival.com/PS/Group_D...orage_2004.txt
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I have occasionally wondered about the legality of doing this exact thing on public land. Assuming a legal but untraceable firearm such as a bent AK, can anyone comment on the legality of this in CA?
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I have occasionally wondered about the legality of doing this exact thing on public land. Assuming a legal but untraceable firearm such as a bent AK, can anyone comment on the legality of this in CA?
Sounds pretty illegal to me. The rule of thumb I use is if its cool or fun it's probably illegal in California.
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There's one way I would bury a firearm that I wasn't going to need instant access to. I've thought a little bit about it, and this is what I've come up with, IDK if it would actually work. I would seperate the stock from the receiver etc, I would put the barreled action, bolt, any other metal parts into a 6" PVC tube with a glued cap on one end. I would then fill the tube with synthetic motor oil, filled as full as I could. Then glue a cap on the other end. Then I would insert that sealed pipe into either an 8" or 10" PVC pipe with a glued cap on one end. I would then fill that tube with silica gel, put a PVC saw in it, and cap the other end with a gasketed screw on cap.

It's probably total overkill, but I think it would work.

What do you guys think?
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http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=304917


Read this link, I spoke to wingman31k at length and his system works, you have to put in your mind that your protecting an investment, be it firearms, ammo, or food storage.

Wingman31k actually will answer questions even though his thread is years old and he has tested it over time. Give him a shout on arf
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What are some ideas on places to bury them?
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