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Old 01-17-2013, 9:21 AM
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Default 9mm M1 Carbine - Takes Beretta 92 Mags!

Citadel (made by Chiappa) is planning to release a clone of the M1 Carbine later this year. I believe it will be a simple blow back design instead of gas operated. I'm all for this rifle, in fact I'm pretty darn sure I will buy one. Why? Because it is a pistol caliber carbine we can run featureless in Cali which is something we currently do not have.

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YEah, that would be a nice alternative to shooting expensive 223 here in CA.
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Hope they get it right, I hear a lot of problems with there .22 version. Maybe I will wait to build that 9mm AR.


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I like the m1 for its .30 carbine round, my friend bought one at the ventura gun show and it is a fun gun to shoot. I just can beleive how much ammo is for it. Id prefer a current 9mm carbine thought like an AR-9, or PC9.
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YEah, that would be a nice alternative to shooting expensive 223 here in CA.
It'll also be something you can let a new shooter play with and it won't cost you too much in ammo. 9mm is much easier to reload or buy reloads when there isn't a panic.


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Hope they get it right, I hear a lot of problems with there .22 version. Maybe I will wait to build that 9mm AR.

Yea...their .22 version sucks. I just they get the centerfire version right.


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I like the m1 for its .30 carbine round, my friend bought one at the ventura gun show and it is a fun gun to shoot. I just can beleive how much ammo is for it. Id prefer a current 9mm carbine thought like an AR-9, or PC9.

I like the PC-9 but they are out of production and it's very expensive to buy on gunbroker. The 30 carbine just an oddball, other 2 or 3 other guns shoot the 30 carbine whereas 9mm one of the most common rounds.
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It'll also be something you can let a new shooter play with and it won't cost you too much in ammo. 9mm is much easier to reload or buy reloads when there isn't a panic.







I like the PC-9 but they are out of production and it's very expensive to buy on gunbroker. The 30 carbine just an oddball, other 2 or 3 other guns shoot the 30 carbine whereas 9mm one of the most common rounds.
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That needs a BB unless you grip wrap it and it ain't cheap.

The Hi Point is the only common 9mm carbine. Things like the Sub2K, CX4 Storm and Uzi gets quite expensive once Calified.
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I like the m1 for its .30 carbine round, my friend bought one at the ventura gun show and it is a fun gun to shoot. I just can beleive how much ammo is for it. Id prefer a current 9mm carbine thought like an AR-9, or PC9.
You should be able to get 50rd of Aguila for under 20.00. Not too bad IMO
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Damn thats a good deal i think my friend paid around 50 cents a round
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My Uzi was $799.00 and I paid $50.00 for the Kydex grip wrap. Not in the same league as the Hi-Point as far as price but my Uzi is quite a bit more elegant and well crafted too.
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Thats a pretty good deal for a chopper. Uzi magazines are so cheap too. My dad had one but he sold it before I was born.
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Update! The rifle will take Beretta 92 mags
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I missed the boat on the ruger camp carbine 9mm. This cooed be a nice stop gap in my line up. BB are getting old on all my guns.
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9mm M1 sounds like fun to me!
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As a fan of featureless rifles and M1 Carbines, I'll definitely buy one if they seem to work.
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Nice, something that Beretta should have done long ago is make a Ruger PC 9/4 type carbine of their own, and I don't mean that Storm thingy.
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I need a featureless that takes P226 mags. . .
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I don't know whether these are placeholders, or whether the MSRP's have been set and stock is anticipated soon, but Davidson's now shows them on their site (out of stock) with pricing for the synthetic stock @ $625 and with the wood stock @ $705 (these prices for the "15" round version - which is odd as it probably should show 17 rounds as this is the normal capacity of a 92FS magazine...)
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I don't know whether these are placeholders, or whether the MSRP's have been set and stock is anticipated soon, but Davidson's now shows them on their site (out of stock) with pricing for the synthetic stock @ $625 and with the wood stock @ $705 (these prices for the "15" round version - which is odd as it probably should show 17 rounds as this is the normal capacity of a 92FS magazine...)
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I think they are just place holders and the the prices are just MSRP. I hope street price would be somewhere around $550-$600 for the wood stock. If parts are interchangeable with the original M1 what would be great. I would put an ultimak on it with a PA red dot.
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I purchased the .22 version a while back. Boy did this rifle have some issues. I will most likely never own the real M1 Carbine, but if Citadel, Chiappa, Legacy, or whomever they are can work out even half those issues, I'm in for the 9mm version.
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Real M1 Carbines from WWII era can still be picked up and are one of my favorite guns to shoot. Gunbroker or Armslist has them for $800 or so, which isn't too bad. Easy and cheap to reload for too. Xtreme 110 grain projectiles are about 9 cents a round and if you load them on the low side of the curve, you can get about 500 rounds out of a pound of Win 296.

I have a ton of brass, so with projectile, powder and primer, I can load these for about 20 cents a round.

If you don't reload my local Turners routinely has Armscor brass case 30 carbine for $21 for a box of 50. This is where I stock up on brass.
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I bought a Ruger PC9 several years ago. I think I'll hang on to it.
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Yeah for that msrp im glad I bought a ruger PC9GR for only a little more paper! At least the Citiadel takes common magazines instead of proprietary magazines.
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Considering the manufacturer, dependable will be a big issue. If they are good working rifles then price is less important.

If they aren't too much more expensive than the Hi Point carbines they'll be a popular choice because of the higher capacity magazines.
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The Marlin Camp 9 is still around and takes Smith 59 magazines. Costs more than it should, but deals can be found.
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...If you don't reload my local Turners routinely has Armscor brass case 30 carbine for $21 for a box of 50. This is where I stock up on brass.
For those of you with 30 cal M1 carbines, I was pleasantly surprised to see that AIM surplus had PPU FMJ in stock this morning for $19.95 a box (+ shipping). Not too bad in that the best prices I used to find for this caliber (a little more than a year ago - pre-panic) was about $16.50 a box plus shipping. And that was for Aguila (which, although brass, I have found to be a little underpowered.) Even the Herters steel cased stuff (more powerful than the Aguila) was about $16+ a box (plus shipping) at that time.

And AIM still has some PPU at the time of this post here:
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Shipping for 500 rounds to central CA was just under $27.


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Actually, if you reload, their is little cost difference between 9mm and .30 Carbine. I cast bullets for both and my cost for either one is less than $3.00 per 50 rounds.
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Actually, if you reload, their is little cost difference between 9mm and .30 Carbine. I cast bullets for both and my cost for either one is less than $3.00 per 50 rounds.
Is that including electricity and/or propane to heat the pot?
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Not to mention the Marlin Camp Carbines that took S&W 59-series (9mm version) and 1911 (.45 ACP version) mags. Good reliable little carbine.
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I have to say if the prices are not attractive I would rather track down a Camp45. I got plenty of 1911 magazines.
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I'm sure you're getting a lot of inquiries about the release date for the Citadel M1 9mm carbine. I can't find anything definitive on when it will be available. It makes me wonder if there's a production problem at Chiappa. Would you take a minute and let me know when the rifle will be available? I'd be happy to pass the information along to others who may be interested.

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Hi Robert –

No production problem – actually a bunch are already made and ready to come to the states –just waiting on some particular licenses and permits to be approved … we are at the mercy of others at this point ..

Hope to have them in the country soon ..

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This weekend, May 30-June 1, 2014 is the annual Sports Fair at Raahauge's in Corona, CA. This is a "hands on" event and you can shoot any number of firearms for a reasonable price. Well, here's a news blast from Andy McCormick from Legacy Sports International:

"LATEST & BREAKING SHOW NEWS !!!

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Attention All! This will be on the Firing Line at the Sports Fair!
The new Citadel M1-9 9 mm has arrived in Reno ... at Legacy Sports International just in time for the show!
See it in action, right out of the Box!"

I will be attending the Sports Fair this weekend and I plan to shoot the new Citadel M1 9mm. I'll let you know what I think of the new carbine.

Event flyer: http://www.raahauges.com/sports-fair.php

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I have to say if the prices are not attractive I would rather track down a Camp45. I got plenty of 1911 magazines.
Maybe if they get it approved & it goes over well. They'll make it in 45 that uses 1911 magazines. Now that would be cool!
If the prices are attractive.
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I have to say if the prices are not attractive I would rather track down a Camp45. I got plenty of 1911 magazines.
Had one. They shoot well, but it's evident they won't be durable longterm. The bolt is very light and so is the recoil spring. I think it would batter itself to death within a couple thousand rounds.

That Citadel looks like it will have feeding problems. Look at the feed angle from the magazine. Why would they design it so the magazine goes straight up?
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Had one. They shoot well, but it's evident they won't be durable longterm. The bolt is very light and so is the recoil spring. I think it would batter itself to death within a couple thousand rounds.
I had one too, Imagine how useful and popular they'd be if they worked some durability into the product.

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That Citadel looks like it will have feeding problems. Look at the feed angle from the magazine. Why would they design it so the magazine goes straight up?
Probably to better feed hollow points.

I will have a Chiappa M1 9mm, oh yes, I will have one. Mrs. Mossy and I have been invested in the various iterations of the Beretta 92 since the mid-90's, we have tons of mags, I just can't find anyone around here that will take my money.

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Had one. They shoot well, but it's evident they won't be durable longterm. The bolt is very light and so is the recoil spring. I think it would batter itself to death within a couple thousand rounds.

That Citadel looks like it will have feeding problems. Look at the feed angle from the magazine. Why would they design it so the magazine goes straight up?
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Had one. They shoot well, but it's evident they won't be durable longterm. The bolt is very light and so is the recoil spring. I think it would batter itself to death within a couple thousand rounds.
Wolff makes heavier (16lbs) recoil springs, several companies make the buffers (the original Marlin buffer doesn't last). This $20 upgrade is the first thing I did to both my Camp 9 and Camp 45. Doesn't look like there's any excessive wear or anything is hitting anything, so they'll last.
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Wolff makes heavier (16lbs) recoil springs, several companies make the buffers (the original Marlin buffer doesn't last). This $20 upgrade is the first thing I did to both my Camp 9 and Camp 45. Doesn't look like there's any excessive wear or anything is hitting anything, so they'll last.
I switched out the springs and buffers on both my Camp 45 and 9. I must have gotten a bad buffer because the one in the 45 fell apart too after a few hundred rounds. I replaced it again and the new one seems to be holding up fine now.
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