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Old 12-06-2012, 9:24 AM
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Default Legal to use at a school?

I'm posing this in the 2A legal section, as it has to do with GFSZ.

Is it legal to use a Hammer Shot on School Grounds?

I would assume this is a "non-firearm" and if you were on school grounds for a legitimate and legal purpose, then there should be no issue.

How about a non-school sanctioned footrace?
Can you use a starters pistol to start the race?
Is this also a Non-Firearm?

The reason I pose this question, is that I run my dog at a local elementary school. I'm wanting to buy her a dummy launcher, but if I can't use it, then I ought to save my money.

Am I setting myself up for a talk with the local police? Or is this okay and legal to use outside of school hours?
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Old 12-06-2012, 9:49 AM
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Not 100% sure, but knowing California it wouldn't suprose me if they consider a dummy launcher a firearm. It uses a shell with a gunpowder charge to shoot off a projectile after all.
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Not 100% sure, but knowing California it wouldn't suprose me if they consider a dummy launcher a firearm. It uses a shell with a gunpowder charge to shoot off a projectile after all.
Exactly my concern.

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(3) The term "firearm" means
(A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to
or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an
explosive;
(B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon;
(C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or
(D) any destructive device.
Such term does not include an antique firearm.
Cal guns Wiki even says "Starter gun"

Even the hammer shot expels a projectile.

I'd love to get some definitive discourse though.
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This is using a .22 shell to drive a pin or nail into something. You drop the cartridge in, hit it with a hammer, and it drives the pin. I don't see why someone doing construction at a school couldnt use it. And as for a starter pistol, yes they can be used.
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Not sure about the devices, but 'outside of school hours' has no influence - school zones exist 24/7/365.
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True, but the issue coming up with LE, under a school lockdown, could have a very different outcome, then with children not present.
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True, but the issue coming up with LE, under a school lockdown, could have a very different outcome, then with children not present.
Yes, with children present the response might be much more exciting.

But the original question was on the legalities, and those apply all the time.
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Just wandering if anyone has some more input on these being legal before I purchase one.
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I'm unsure about the firearm status of such a thing, but I think there's something in the GFSZ rules where you can be permitted by someone in the administration (Principal or higher probably) to carry a firearm in such a zone.
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Is the goal to have the noise or just the launcher? If you just want to throw something far, these work great.



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I do not know about the dog launcher but would stay away from it.

Even if legal, having a starting gun would be a very bad idea for an unsanctioned race. I had adjunct duty at a track meet one time and was actually handed one by the principle and unless I actually had it in my hand you really could not tell it was not real.

The hammer-shot I think would be somewhat of a grey area. To me it would boil down to if you fell into some kind of exemption like having permission to use it for a lawful purpose within the scope of your employment. For example, I teach high school shop and have two of them in my tool room and use them from time to time. I do keep the blanks locked up though.
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