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Old 12-05-2012, 12:40 AM
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Default What professional snipers use... you'd be surprised!

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubb...07#Post3728307

Interesting that none of them used .308 and that more used Vortex and Bushnell scopes than Nightforce and Leupold.





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Stillers, Surgeon... I wish I had the money for that kind of stuff.

S&B and USO are still pretty prominent on the list as well.
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Stillers, Surgeon... I wish I had the money for that kind of stuff.

S&B and USO are still pretty prominent on the list as well.
no kidding, and people are crying over the price of a decent optic
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It's gotta be budget that drives the optic choice. I'm certain that if they had a limitless budget the optic choices would be more Tier-1.
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It's gotta be budget that drives the optic choice. I'm certain that if they had a limitless budget the optic choices would be more Tier-1.
I agree, optics are sooooo expensive.... OP, ty for posting...great info and very surprising at that
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It's gotta be budget that drives the optic choice. I'm certain that if they had a limitless budget the optic choices would be more Tier-1.

If your in this game budget is not as big of a concern. Guarantee most of those Gentleman and Lady have tried many different scopes and run what they like the most. Some are sponsored so they run what they are sponsored by. There are more then a few active people that shoot these matches. I would not call all these guys snipers. But there are a few. And if you think this is bench shooting you have no clue!
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http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-s...-6.5-creedmoor

Article talking about the pro/cons in comparison. Gives you some idea what those pros are thinking
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They must all go to church at the same place. Lots of odd calibers being used amongst them.
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They must all go to church at the same place. Lots of odd calibers being used amongst them.
Many of these folks are competition shooters (versus duty slotted Snipers).

The 6.5mm and 6mm projectiles have been ruling the long distance competition world for a few years now, so these calibers are hardly considered "odd" by those that shoot competition these days.
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I dont want to get hit any of those rounds... .308 included.
I actually make it a policy to just not get shot in the first place.
Point is Id be more interested in what the guy behind the rifle can do as opposed to what his gear can do.
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Looks like S&B is the prominent Glass... Personally I think S&B is better than NF or Leupold, it is pricier too.
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What pros?
These guys are competitors and gamers (mighty good ones).

I would think the “Pros” use whatever their organization tells them to.
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If you look at the top ten, trends are clear and not surprising. A custom action, barrel, and either a 6.5 or 6mm cartridge and a Schimdt and Bender scope. These are guns that are specialized for competition use and that may be quite a bit different than a gun used as a real working rifle.
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What pros?
These guys are competitors and gamers (mighty good ones).

I would think the “Pros” use whatever their organization tells them to.
I'm with kendog. I know those guys at the hide don't throw around the word sniper freely.
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Interesting that none of them used .308 and that more used Vortex and Bushnell scopes than Nightforce and Leupold.
Don't tell that to the Marine Corps! My son is a USMC scout/sniper.

.308 with a Schmidt and Bender is the standard for them.
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What pros?
These guys are competitors and gamers (mighty good ones).

I would think the “Pros” use whatever their organization tells them to.
Yup exactly. What makes the guys on the list "snipers?" Are they actually sniping human targets and gathering intel

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Don't tell that to the Marine Corps! My son is a USMC scout/sniper.

.308 with a Schmidt and Bender is the standard for them.
Every single sniper I've talked to in the service (which is only a few) was using a .308 also.
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No surprises here. More than a few Pros wish they had a standardized cartridge in the 6.5 realm.
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Looks like just about all of them handload and use Hodgdon 4350 powder. I wonder what's special about 4350?
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Looks like just about all of them handload and use Hodgdon 4350 powder. I wonder what's special about 4350?
H4350 is a temperature stable powder and has a burn rate that matches the cartridge/bullet combos is use which are all very similar.
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Looks like just about all of them handload and use Hodgdon 4350 powder. I wonder what's special about 4350?
It makes 6-6.5MM bullets fly really well.
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These are not sniper rifles.....they are competition rifles. I agree that the choices would be different if they were used for taking out human targets.
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These are not sniper rifles.....they are competition rifles. I agree that the choices would be different if they were used for taking out human targets.
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I think the thread should be relabeled to what "Professional Competition Distance Shooters Use", snipers implies that these people are out shooting at living/tactical targets, and not paper.
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Agreed - Very poor title choice. This is benched competition shooting.

Very different than "military style" "sniper" shooting.
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....This is benched competition shooting...
I don't think so. These guys do a whole bunch of various scenarios including paper, gongs, unknown distance and angles, time/stress constraints, canted rifle shooting, etc. IPSC plus, with rifles, if you will. It aint easy. BUT, it is a game. Try shooting a 8" x 12" target at 200 yards with your rifle turned 90 degrees to vertical alignment.
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I don't think so. These guys do a whole bunch of various scenarios including paper, gongs, unknown distance and angles, time/stress constraints, canted rifle shooting, etc. IPSC plus, with rifles, if you will. It aint easy. BUT, it is a game. Try shooting a 8" x 12" target at 200 yards with your rifle turned 90 degrees to vertical alignment.
My only point is they are not "professionals".
I'm a newb as far as shooting goes, but have been told I have innate ability, and I can shoot(and ring) 200 yrds with my iron sights at a 12" gong. wonder where there is a range that has 90 degree "vertical" alignment at 200 yrds .... shooting into a canyon? I wouldn't call 200 yrds "long range" even as a rookie... esp if they are using optics which probably cost as much as my M&P15
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I'm a newb as far as shooting goes, but have been told I have innate ability, and I can shoot(and ring) 200 yrds with my iron sights at a 12" gong. wonder where there is a range that has 90 degree "vertical" alignment at 200 yrds .... shooting into a canyon? I wouldn't call 200 yrds "long range" even as a rookie... esp if they are using optics which probably cost as much as my M&P15
wow... Jesus, nevermind. As I read more in this post, it seems like there are some very differing views on this subject. Just saying tho, 200 yrds ain't *****...
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I'm a newb as far as shooting goes, but have been told I have innate ability, and I can shoot(and ring) 200 yrds with my iron sights at a 12" gong. wonder where there is a range that has 90 degree "vertical" alignment at 200 yrds .... shooting into a canyon? I wouldn't call 200 yrds "long range" even as a rookie... esp if they are using optics which probably cost as much as my M&P15
You mis understood.... He meant turn the rifle sideways 'gansta style'. It really throws you off with a scope until you learn how to deal with it. -----edit. This is to simulate shooting underneath a car, where you dont have clearance to hold the rifle normally. This was actually done by LEO during the North Hollywood bank robbery shoot out, but they were using AR15/m16's...--- end edit---

There are places that have steep angle shooting, and the snipers hide cup has a tower- they leaned out over the edge shooting at a very small target straight down about ?6 stories? below them. Scoped rifle very close shots are difficult as well until you know your scope, and how to hit them. 25 yards will really throw someone off with a 100 yd zero until you know how to do it. Then try pointing your rifle straight down and hitting one on the ground below you for something new...

As a beginner, 12" gong at 200 with irons is decent. I've seen high power competitors with quality iron peep sights knock out the peg from the target marker at 600 yards.... Dude hit the exact same hole like 3 times in 30 shots at 600 yds with irons.... I started running out of pegs since he shot them up and I couldnt find them..

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I'm a newb as far as shooting goes, but have been told I have innate ability, and I can shoot(and ring) 200 yrds with my iron sights at a 12" gong. wonder where there is a range that has 90 degree "vertical" alignment at 200 yrds .... shooting into a canyon? I wouldn't call 200 yrds "long range" even as a rookie... esp if they are using optics which probably cost as much as my M&P15
200 is not long range. It is considered short range in NRA highpower. The sideways thing is supposed to simulate shooting from a barricade or from something like under a vehicle where the shooter doesnt have the space or time to get the rifle in the normal firing position. I dont shoot tac stuff, it doesnt really interest me as much as other types of competition, but the way this competition is set up it is quite tough.

Imagine an 8" by 12" gong at 200 yards, and take your rifle with a good known 200 yard zero and lay it over 90 degrees, and tell me where you would have to hold to get a center hit. 12 " is 6 MOA at 200, and I bet the first time you won't be on the target at all.
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Agreed - Very poor title choice. This is benched competition shooting.

Very different than "military style" "sniper" shooting.
I have shot two Precision Rifle Series matches this past year and I don't recall ever shooting off of a bench. Barricades, simulated windows, rocks, off a steering wheel through a car window........stuff like that. These types of competitions test mental endurance, mental toughness, and problem solving skills. There is usually no time to stand around, it is very dynamic from 7am to 4pm. If you show up to a PRS match with no cadio capacity, good luck. Every stage is a problem, it's your job to solve it with your system. Example: Start siting in driver's seat, rifle muzzle down on passenger side. Buzzer starts, you have 60 seconds to get a solid position off the steering wheel, engage 6 8" steel circles, two shots per target. The kicker is the 8" steel targets are spread out on a mountain side, at varying distances from 220 yards to 700 yards. They were painted white at one point, now they are grey and blend in with the environment. That's 12 shots, AI mag holds 10. Do you load one mag and feed the extra two or do you do a mag change? Do you preload off the steering wheel with your bipod and curl up in a ball or use a flat TAB bag and shoot it like a barricade. Do you dial each distance which takes time or do you use your reticle to hold. How is the wind affecting the 680 yard target compared to the 410 yard target since they are on opposite sides of the mountain and you see the dust trails going left and right after other compeititors shoot. Those are the questions you have to ask yourself and figure out in a few minutes before it's your turn to shoot. There's only a handfull of MIL/LEO on that list, most are just regular guys that like to shoot. Think farmers, electricians, dentists, CPA, municipality.
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Sniping paper...pffft.
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I'll add that it seems like a very low participation percentage considering the size of their community.

All the competitors on that list are the cumulative top 50 shooters from 15 different matches all over the country over the past year. Everyone on that list earned their spot. For 98% of precision rifle matches, the registration fills up in less than 1 minute.
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For those who are familiar with the subjects (snipers and long distance competition shooting) there are absolutely no surprises here.
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This is far from a benchrest competition. Check this YouTube video and you'll know what I mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzmOT7gVpZI

The list tells me Surgeon and GAP are the top of their game and all shoot some variation of 6mm or 6.5mm, most everything else is skewed due to sponsorship.

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I saw that list and thought, "Where is Chris Kyle on this list?"

He shot .300 win mag and .338 lap mag, according to his book (which is a good read).

Then I thought, maybe this is a "current" list, since Chris is no longer active.

Then I realized, "Oh...competition shooting"

Snipers? I don't think so...
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