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Old 12-03-2012, 1:43 PM
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I just picked up a Vulcan ar15 could not pass on it how good or bad are they
picked her up for. $500 how could I say no

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Do a search on that company, that's how. Good luck!
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I'm pretty sure vulcan is the same as blackthorne and hesse. like mrplink says, good luck.
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I'm pretty sure vulcan is the same as blackthorne and hesse. like mrplink says, good luck.
It's the same company.
Every few years, they disband and reform under a new name due to bad reviews & lawsuits for bad products.

Hesse -> Vulcan -> Blackthorne -> Velocity Firearms
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Vulcan has a bad and well deserved reputation but, I do know a couple people who think their Vulcans are the best AR lowers they've ever owned. These are guys with money and plenty of firearms knowledge. So, Vulcan has let a few good ones slip out on accident.
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Vulcan has a bad and well deserved reputation but, I do know a couple people who think their Vulcans are the best AR lowers they've ever owned. These are guys with money and plenty of firearms knowledge. So, Vulcan has let a few good ones slip out on accident.
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Everytime someone buys a Vulcan...... well, they get what they deserve
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Poor craftsmanship. Out of spec components. Iirc somebody here purchased an upper from them that was supposed to have a chrome barrel and chamber but it turned out the chamber was just painted silver.
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OP, when you buy brands like that YOU become the quality control employee yourself as they seem to do little to none in that department. Expect some troubleshooting unless you got lucky.

I wouldn't have buyers remorse, just shoot it and if it has problems expect to have to solve them yourself.

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Poor craftsmanship. Out of spec components. Iirc somebody here purchased an upper from them that was supposed to have a chrome barrel and chamber but it turned out the chamber was just painted silver.
That has to be the biggest gun FAIL I've ever heard of. It's like straight up cheating your customers. I'm not the kind of guy that likes to sue about everything, but to me this sound like something that shouldn't be taken lightly, law suit worthy maybe?
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I been searching and I did find a lot of negative about Vulcan
Ill find out, if i got taken when I get it out
The riffle that I bought was the non polymer and it takes detachable mags.
Everything looks good ill report back when I get it out of jail till then continue the bashing
Since I didn't spend more $$$ for a ar but this not going to be a beauty queen
Is a cheap gun
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I been searching and I did find a lot of negative about Vulcan
Ill find out, if i got taken when I get it out
The riffle that I bought was the non polymer and it takes detachable mags.
Everything looks good ill report back when I get it out of jail till then continue the bashing
Since I didn't spend more $$$ for a ar but this not going to be a beauty queen
Is a cheap gun
Not trying to be rude, but if you read all the negative press and probably have not heard much good , why did you still buy it? No one is bashing you for not spending $$$$ on an AR, I think the collective mindset is why cheap out on a rifle, when for less than 200.00 more you could have bought a Smith & Wesson, del-ton, or the like that have warranties and solid reputations? Good luck and I hope they accidentally sold you a good one!
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I'm pretty sure vulcan is the same as blackthorne and hesse. like mrplink says, good luck.
Same guy, all 3 companies

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What's so bad about the rifle
Spend more time on Google.

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I been searching and I did find a lot of negative about Vulcan
Ill find out, if i got taken when I get it out
The riffle that I bought was the non polymer and it takes detachable mags.
Everything looks good ill report back when I get it out of jail till then continue the bashing
Since I didn't spend more $$$ for a ar but this not going to be a beauty queen
Is a cheap gun
Negatives not hard to find.

Most AR's are non-plastic and take detachable magazines.

Beauty aside, Hesse has a great reputation at putting out POS guns.

It's not only cheap, but a POS.

So much for your due diligence.

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Just me but I'd try to back out of the deal and eat the fees.... or give it to your ex wife.
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Wow! Note to self; stay away from Vulcan equipment.

I don't like the idea of anyone painting something and passing it for something else; let alone a "reputable" company.

Good luck with the AR. Would never want a Calgunner to be taken advantage of.
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I spent 50 dollars more than you on my entire build for a decent quality upper from psa and a home built lower. Its not that we are bashing you for wanting to save money or wanting a gun to beat around( anyone who has seen my ar here knows its a beater ranch rifle)... it is just my opinion that you could have gotten a lot more value for your money.
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Please tell me it was t one of the polymer Vulcan ARs... I've seen their polymer lowers they try to pass of as carbon fiber and you can see excess material from where the two prices were stuck together. I have trouble imagining their quality on aluminum receivers is any better.
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Ignore them.

By the time you've fixed it you won't actually have a Vulcan anymore.
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By the time you've fixed it you won't actually have a Vulcan anymore.
Just shoot it and make sure it functions properly > then you can rub it in that you spent 200 bucks less than everyone else.
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It is really simple. You just say "No" and run, don't walk. I hate to say it, but you've been had. For $500 you could have build a decent gun that would have worked. Or gotten a new, entry-level one for not a lot more. Instead you spent $500 of your hard-earned money on a low-quality turd. It may work. It probably won't. And if it actually does, it is likely to have long-term problems. I would take even a Model 1 Sales gun over them. Or heck, even a pointy stick. At least the majority of the M1S guns work. And they didn't have to repeatedly change their name to stay one step ahead of the lawsuits...

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hey just make sure you take a buddy with you when you shoot it. and have them record you. i want to see if the whole barrel seperating from the upper receiver and flying down range has any truth to it.
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Why do people still spend money with this company? Just a couple of months ago we had a calgunner buy a vulcan barrel with a spray painted chamber and crappy muzzle threads.

"This product has a consistent stream of bad reviews, looks like an excellent value!"

I don't get it. All the time on this forum people post about not wanting to break the bank, not making a fortune, and so on. I understand that. What I don't get is why the people who can afford to spend the least willingly take such a gamble with their money. It's not even like this is an issue of a company with poor QC, they intentionally go out of their way to screw their customers. A spraypainted chamber isn't a company trying to save a dollar, it's a company flipping it's customers the bird and laughing.

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yeah i don't understand the whole idea of i've read the reviews i know they are bad but i'll buy it anyways crowd. you bought it so shoot the heck out of it. run it hard and for as long as you can. who knows, maybe it'll serve your needs. enjoy.
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OP, just shoot it and have fun with it.

Don't rely on it as a SHTF rifle since it will fail on you.

If backing out of the deal doesn't cost you much, I would do so.

This is the reason why a lot of people build it themselves. You can have a good AR for about $700
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OP, just shoot it and have fun with it.

Don't rely on it as a SHTF rifle since it will fail on you.

If backing out of the deal doesn't cost you much, I would do so.

This is the reason why a lot of people build it themselves. You can have a good AR for about $700
I will have to agree with this. If you can back out of the deal and won't cost you much, do it. On occasion they do make lowers receivers that work I happen to fall into this category. But then again you really have to try to mess that up, a monkey with a drill press and jigs can build a 80% just fine. I can't say much about their upper's as I don't own one.

This is how Vulcan stands behind their product:

Based on the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act, Vulcan Group Inc. offers no warranty on its product line. Vulcan Group Inc. is extremely concerned with its customers' satisfaction and stands behind its products. Vulcan Group Inc. has in the past and will continue to offer service on its products for a period of one year from the date of purchase by the original purchaser for defects in materials and workmanship

For 200 bucks more there are companies out there without a shady past that will stand behind their product with a lifetime warranty.
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Let me get this straight. You bought a crap gun. Paid too much for it. And now when everybody tells you that it is a crap gun, you don't believe us, and want to hear from other people who have bought the same brand of crap gun, because the rest of us are too stupid to know what we are talking about? Really? Well, good luck with that. You bought it. It's yours. Next time do some research instead of blowing your money on an impulse buy. And don't come on here to whine that it isn't working. You don't respect our opinions enough to believe us, so there is little reason for you to ask us for help when your gun doesn't work. Good luck, have fun, and hopefully your gun doesn't blow up in your face.

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I will have to agree with this. If you can back out of the deal and won't cost you much, do it. On occasion they do make lowers receivers that work I happen to fall into this category. But then again you really have to try to mess that up, a monkey with a drill press and jigs can build a 80% just fine. I can't say much about their upper's as I don't own one.

This is how Vulcan stands behind their product:

Based on the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act, Vulcan Group Inc. offers no warranty on its product line. Vulcan Group Inc. is extremely concerned with its customers' satisfaction and stands behind its products. Vulcan Group Inc. has in the past and will continue to offer service on its products for a period of one year from the date of purchase by the original purchaser for defects in materials and workmanship

For 200 bucks more there are companies out there without a shady past that will stand behind their product with a lifetime warranty.
Yeah, that $200 seems better spent on a S&W oe even DelTon/Model1Sales/JSE. I mean, I know impulse buys are tough and hindsight is 20/20, but don't smartphones help mitigate that a bit?
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Yeah, that $200 seems better spent on a S&W oe even DelTon/Model1Sales/JSE. I mean, I know impulse buys are tough and hindsight is 20/20, but don't smartphones help mitigate that a bit?
They don't mitigate anything if you're just fixated on the price and decide to ignore all of the feedback.
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They don't mitigate anything if you're just fixated on the price and decide to ignore all of the feedback.
True, when you've left rational thought behind and just a see a too-good-to-be-true price, of course it doesn't help.
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I would like to get feed back from someone that own one and that they didn't hear it from a friend of friend who builds AR's. for daniel defence
give me some facts
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Would be hard pressed to find a Calgunner with a Vulcan - Hesse- blackthorne product because we look out for each other and help avoid these mistakes... If you need proof of the dishonest subpar business practices of the company, click the link provided above regarding chrome spray paint in chamber and barrel of one of their guns. Kill the deal and wash your hands reeeeaaal good to get the stink off, then go buy a rifle that was built by people that give a crap! No I'm not saying " Colt, BCM, DD, LMT , Noveske or bust!", but a smith n Wesson sport offers awesome value for the price and a lifetime warranty. When shopping for nearly anything costly, you have to try and get the best value for your$$$$, not buy the cheapest thing available .
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If you're not going to listen to anyone's feedback, and you already saw all of the negative feedback that vulcan has, why bother?

The facts are that this company is terrible, has horrible QC, intentionally defrauds their customers, and produces a product that is pretty much regarded as trash nationwide.

If you asked how the burgers are at your local diner, and 100 people tell you they're nasty, wtf would you still go buy one?
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I have one of their 308 uppers running on top of a Noveske N-6 lower. I had a lot of issues getting it to run somewhat reliably. Even now, after several years if tinkering and parts replacement/modification, it only runs "somewhat" reliably. I don't trust it for anything other than range use, and even then I bring a back up gun which more often than not I end up using. The biggest issue I ran into regarding the quality of the upper was the fitup of the gas block to the barrel. The seating area had lots of rough file marks right in the area where it seals around the gas port. The gas port was also drilled grossly oversized, at about 1/8" in diameter (should be about 1/2 that size on a 26" barrel) causing the rifle to be significantly over gassed. I've had many failures to feed due to the bolt cycling much faster than it needs to. The rifle is also extremely hard on brass, with the extraction process nearly ripping the rim off the case. Having said that, when the rife does decide to run, it's one of the most accurater AR's I've ever owned or shot. With decent ammo it will consistently put 5 rounds into 3/4" or less, typically around 3/8" to 1/2".
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I once made the mistake of buying a Heese/Vulcan AR10 type lower.

To call it trash would be an insult... to trash.

It has mis aligned holes making it darn near impoosible to assemble with a good upper. There are weld spots and poor manufacturing marks all over it. It is totally worthless.
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I've repaired more than a few Hesse/Vulcan/Blackthorne weapons that would not run, both AR's and FAL's.

All would not run due to defects in parts and/or assembly (manufacture) by Hesse/etc./etc.

I don't have any friends I'm aware of at Daniel Defense.

Look...you already noted you heard bad crap about the maker before you bought the gun, and you realized it's a cheap gun.

Kind of like buying a Yugo for your next car without heeding prior history from others.

Dumb, but I hope it shoots for you. Obviously, resale value is gonna' be a little sucko.

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I would like to get feed back from someone that own one and that they didn't hear it from a friend of friend who builds AR's. for daniel defence
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Let me get this straight. You bought a crap gun. Paid too much for it. And now when everybody tells you that it is a crap gun, you don't believe us, and want to hear from other people who have bought the same brand of crap gun, because the rest of us are too stupid to know what we are talking about? Really? Well, good luck with that. You bought it. It's yours. Next time do some research instead of blowing your money on an impulse buy. And don't come on here to whine that it isn't working. You don't respect our opinions enough to believe us, so there is little reason for you to ask us for help when your gun doesn't work. Good luck, have fun, and hopefully your gun doesn't blow up in your face.

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Will take it out and put several hundred rounds through it, Then we will throw it in some mud and cow patties.
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