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Old 09-28-2012, 12:58 PM
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Exclamation AB 1527 Open carry of long guns & AB 1559 passed by the Governor

Brown signed these two pieces of legislation.

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I no longer believe JB is a good governor or friend of firearms.
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Friend may be too strong, but he was the most pro-gun out of the two options.
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Friend may be too strong, but he was the most pro-gun out of the two options.
I understand the arguments behind that and why a reasonable person could believe it.

But I think Meg Whitman would have been better for us in both the short- and the long-term.
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Friend may be too strong, but he was the most pro-gun out of the two options.
Yes i understand that. I was truly hoping he would "shoot" this one down though! urrrrr
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Friend may be too strong, but he was the most pro-gun out of the two options.
Maybe in the same way that herpes is better than HIV.
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Maybe in the same way that herpes is better than HIV.
Herpes is better than HIV. The better analogy here would be neurosyphilis and HIV. That better describes the situation we have here in CA with respect to our choice in politicians.
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Friend may be too strong, but he was the most pro-gun out of the two options.
No... I do not believe that for one minute.
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No... I do not believe that for one minute.
Gov. Brown may not be a 2nd amendment supporters dream come true. But he is our best option since Wilson.

He is also probably our best over all governor since Wilson.

Really, really think about that before anyone breaks out the recall rhetoric

I say that as someone who can count on one hand the number of times I have voted democrat and still have lots of fingers left.
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I no longer believe JB is a good governor or friend of firearms.
duh! we've been telling people this. no one will listen.

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Gov. Brown may not be a 2nd amendment supporters dream come true. But he is our best option since Wilson.

He is also probably our best over all governor since Wilson.

Really, really think about that before anyone breaks out the recall rhetoric

I say that as someone who can count on one hand the number of times I have voted democrat and still have lots of fingers left.
oh really. he wants to raise taxes again. despises prop 13, hasn't been 2a friendly at all. signed high speed rail even though people don't want it anymore. the state is completely borke. he is beholden to unions. where is the positive with him.
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duh! we've been telling people this. no one will listen.



oh really. he wants to raise taxes again. despises prop 13, hasn't been 2a friendly at all. signed high speed rail even though people don't want it anymore. the state is completely borke. he is beholden to unions. where is the positive with him.
Wait second, i posted this before! i saw all the vetos!! I tend not to delete my posts out of fairness.
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Wait second, i posted this before! i saw all the vetos!! I tend not to delete my posts out of fairness.
he can't be trusted. let alone any politician in this state. i'm not being negative this is reality we are looking at.
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he can't be trusted. let alone any politician in this state. i'm not being negative this is reality we are looking at.

Note the vetoes though. They are strategic. Archery, LEO selling off roster, and the other two.
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duh! we've been telling people this. no one will listen.



oh really. he wants to raise taxes again. despises prop 13, hasn't been 2a friendly at all. signed high speed rail even though people don't want it anymore. the state is completely borke. he is beholden to unions. where is the positive with him.
Hey Chris,

I agree with you completely!

Many CalGunners are suffering with cognative dissonence. This disorder requires phsychological counseling. That said, CalGuns is a GOOD ORGANIZATION!

The lawyers involved in defending 2A and 4A are probably good people; however, they do make more money the longer these cases linger.

With neo-Marxist Brown signing the illegal Driver's License law, our state's anti U.S. Constitutional policies are going to continue (illegals now have a legal pathway to register to vote online).

The politics of tribilism is not compatable with civil liberties.

Many CalGunners are vested in public-sector union-tribilism. We have a political war pitting the productive class verses the entitled class--the entitled class has won the war.

For every judicial win CalGuns gets for us, the ruling class will pass another bill that curtails the right; they don't care about your civil liberties as they only care about collective rights.

I am sorry for being so cynical; the truth hurts.

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He's not a good governor, and he is not a good friend of the RKBA.

He's just better than we've recently had.
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1559 confuses me.

As for 1527, so... winning are we?
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1559 confuses me.

As for 1527, so... winning are we?
If you are a lawyer, involved in one of the miriad of lawsuits that are pending a decision in some other pending lawsuit, then you are "winning". If you're a California gun owner then you're being royally screwed.
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Does this help us with any current court cases? We now have no option to open carry any firearms. Wasn't there a previous case that was dismissed because we had the option to open carry?
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Does this help us with any current court cases? We now have no option to open carry any firearms. Wasn't there a previous case that was dismissed because we had the option to open carry?
I had the same thought when I saw this. This might be helpful to us in our court cases. If there's any right to bear (carry) arms in California, the only way to exercise that right is a LTC.
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1559 reduces the amount of money that business has to pay to buy guns you can't have and enables the movie industry to make money on guns you can't have. It actually is a pro-business deal, but a little hypocritical since we can't be trusted with guns, but the movie prop guys can.
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1559 reduces the amount of money that business has to pay to buy guns you can't have and enables the movie industry to make money on guns you can't have. It actually is a pro-business deal, but a little hypocritical since we can't be trusted with guns, but the movie prop guys can.
Is that really it? Hmmm...
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1559 reduces the amount of money that business has to pay to buy guns you can't have and enables the movie industry to make money on guns you can't have. It actually is a pro-business deal, but a little hypocritical since we can't be trusted with guns, but the movie prop guys can.
And I'd have thought the anti-gun lobby would have pushed for forcing the movie industry to stick to airsoft/replica guns.
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When does the long gun open carry ban go into effect?
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When does the long gun open carry ban go into effect?
I don't see a date in the bill, so I think that means Jan 1 2013. Someone correct me if wrong.
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I had the same thought when I saw this. This might be helpful to us in our court cases. If there's any right to bear (carry) arms in California, the only way to exercise that right is a LTC.
You can still LUCC, that will satisfy carry in CA. This is not going to speed up the process, we have had a ban on UOC for almost a year, no progress on the cases.

First thought I had was, great just lost UOC of rifles because everyone thought it would magically advance the court cases.
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Does this help us with any current court cases? We now have no option to open carry any firearms. Wasn't there a previous case that was dismissed because we had the option to open carry?
I don't think there is any help for us, now they'll just say carry a knife or pepper spray.
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I don't think there is any help for us, now they'll just say carry a knife or pepper spray.
Those are already illegal as weapons.
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Those are already illegal as weapons.
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He effectively banned any type of weapons carry outside of the home. Considering he is aware of the court cases pending and completed, it's entirely possible he forsees these carry laws being moot at some point. More ammunition to approve concealed carry.

I'm quite happy he vetoed the reporting bill for stolen firearms. Read the veto message, it's quite logical.
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I sure hope a lawsuit is filed by the NRA or SAF on this matter!!
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There is no way to legally carry a firearm in CA without the blessing/permission of the gooberment. Where do I sue?
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Yeah I am thinking they just want a court case to go through as fast as possible.
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Yeah I am thinking they just want a court case to go through as fast as possible.
Really? or should your comment be taken with sarcasm. Just asking...
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This. Count me in.
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What the hell does 1559 do? I read it but I don't really understand what's its saying.
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What the hell does 1559 do? I read it but I don't really understand what's its saying.
I read it all the way through four times and it still does not make any sense. Does anyone know the impact of 1559.

I think we all get the impact of banning all open carry but seriously, is 1559 some kind of super secret back door ban/impactor. They are unlikely to put effort into a bill that does not restrict. So what then does it restrict.
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I smell a lawsuit. How are you supposed to carry your gun when you are using it?
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I smell a lawsuit. How are you supposed to carry your gun when you are using it?
While we all think this is simply the next step to get a substantive ability to carry (i.e. CCW). I never thought unloaded open carry of any form was what the 2nd amendment had in mind for being armed in case of conflict. An unloaded gun is as useful as a hunk of metal (or for you glock lovers a Tupperware of leftovers )

I cant say I am disappointed because I expected it. I don't like it, but I hope more good may come from it
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Hey what does this mean it's from AB1527 didn't he veto SB 1366?
This bill would incorporate additional changes to Section 16520 of the Penal Code proposed by SB 1366, that would become operative only if SB 1366 and this bill are both enacted, both bills become effective on or before January 1, 2013, and this bill is enacted last.

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