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Old 04-01-2007, 3:33 PM
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Default Purchased the Five Seven today

After months of drooling over it and wanting it i finally purchased a FN Five Seven. Got it at Turner's Outdoorsman, ended up costing $1167 otd. Can't wait to get my hands on it. Do any of you guys who go to the range in the Angeles Nat'l Forest know if i'm able to shoot this gun at the range? Living in Kalifornistan, can we purchase SS190/192 ammo legally? Thanks.
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Old 04-01-2007, 3:37 PM
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Nice purchase. I've been on the fence about getting one. Gotta show pics after you pick it up.
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Nice purchase. I've been on the fence about getting one. Gotta show pics after you pick it up.
Thanks...will do
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Was this the IOM model? My local store has the USG model for I think $875? Did you get a bunch of accesories?
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Nice purchase. You will have tons of fun with it.

Here's Mine

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Nice purchase. You will have tons of fun with it.

Here's Mine

Nice! Looking forward to firing mine. How do you like it? Is the recoil as minimal as FNH claims? What type of grouping at what distance are you able to pull off?
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Nice! Looking forward to firing mine. How do you like it? Is the recoil as minimal as FNH claims? What type of grouping at what distance are you able to pull off?
They are absolutely fine firearm. I bet kids and women will enjoy the low recoil as well. Yeah, their recoil is really minimal to control. The Trajectory is farily flat due to higher velocity, so you will enjoy shooting long distance too.

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You can not get SS190 ammunition for it.

You can get SS192 (AKA SS195LF) legally, however you'll pay a premium for the SS192 marked rounds. Get the SS195LF, it's the exact same thing, but with a lead-free primer.



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Nice purchase. You will have tons of fun with it.

Here's Mine

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5937/57fe3.jpg
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PS90 and full-capacity magazines.

<sigh>

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<sigh>

PS90 and full-capacity magazines.

<sigh>

I hate you.
Hey, we can have PS90's, and we can also have disassembled full capacity mags. I do.

I also happen to have the first PS90CA I'm aware of. Unless someone else has got a fixed mag, 30" kit, I have what I think is the first one in the state. You'll understand why I'm not posting pictures - the last thing I want is for some jerk to rip off the original designer's idea.

Took it to the range last night, going again tonight, 7:30pm.
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Very cool toys!

Being a broke firearms enthusiast, I doubt I'll ever be in a position to afford a FiveSeven. Luckily I CAN afford the poor-mans 5.7.... the 762x25 LOL




Good thread, lets see more pics.



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P.S. I know its not legal in California, but is it technically possible to load a 5.7x28mm round with a pulled SS109-type projectile? Is it legal to do that in the other 49 states, or not legal at all??
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I also happen to have the first PS90CA I'm aware of. Unless someone else has got a fixed mag, 30" kit, I have what I think is the first one in the state. You'll understand why I'm not posting pictures - the last thing I want is for some jerk to rip off the original designer's idea.
If I wasn't spending money on the first Sig 556CA, then I'd have done a fixed mag PS90CA, but, alas, funds are already allocated.

Mike452 - The USG is the exact same functioning gun as the IOM, it just has aggressive texturing on the magazine button, safety, frontstrap, backstrap, a larger magazine button, and a squared off trigger guard. Other than that, it's the same gun - same internals, same trigger.
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I also happen to have the first PS90CA I'm aware of. Unless someone else has got a fixed mag, 30" kit, I have what I think is the first one in the state. You'll understand why I'm not posting pictures - the last thing I want is for some jerk to rip off the original designer's idea.

WHOA... stop...

what PS90CA...

more please... PM if needed
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<sigh>

PS90 and full-capacity magazines.

<sigh>

I hate you.
HEHE
Next time, i will try to cut out the FN PS90 completely on the pic
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Was this the IOM model? My local store has the USG model for I think $875? Did you get a bunch of accesories?
It's the USG model. No accessories. I've looked into purchasing the firearm for a while and this was the best price i could find locally. It varied greatly, one dealer wanted $1,300 before tax. I could live with $1,100 otd considering that the store i purchased it at is ten minutes from my house. A bit pricey maybe, but i'm still happy with the purchase. .
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Sweet !!!!!
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This is the double action only model? How does the it shoot?
I want the IOM model.
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Hey guys,
All your replies really have me excited about this gun. I'm looking forward to picking it up and taking it to the range asap. For those of you in southern CA, more specifically LA and Orange counties, are there any indoor ranges that allow you to shoot the Five Seven? Or do i have to take it to the rifle range in Angeles Nat'l Crest? Can't wait to fire it.
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Old 04-03-2007, 12:12 AM
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i have talked to insights range in artesia, and they said it'd be ok to shoot the 5.7 there.

I even went as far to ask if i could shoot a PS-90 there, and they said that was fine too, since the civilian ammo isnt too high powered. I also know that Grammaton and I have developed a CA compliance kit for the PS-90. The prototype and range testing is done, im in the final stages of design, and will be gearing up to produce the kit, hopefully by the end of the month i'll have the first run finished. stay tuned, its a nice kit.

If your in the area of insights and plan to shoot the five seven could you shoot me a PM, i live a few blocks down from them and would love to watch and see how they shoot.
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i have talked to insights range in artesia, and they said it'd be ok to shoot the 5.7 there.

I even went as far to ask if i could shoot a PS-90 there, and they said that was fine too, since the civilian ammo isnt too high powered. I also know that Grammaton and I have developed a CA compliance kit for the PS-90. The prototype and range testing is done, im in the final stages of design, and will be gearing up to produce the kit, hopefully by the end of the month i'll have the first run finished. stay tuned, its a nice kit.

If your in the area of insights and plan to shoot the five seven could you shoot me a PM, i live a few blocks down from them and would love to watch and see how they shoot.
I'll definitely let you know Sal. The gun is due to arrive at the shop this wednesday. My ten day started yesterday, monday. The PS90 kit sounds interesting. Please keep me posted on it.
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I'll definitely let you know Sal. The gun is due to arrive at the shop this wednesday. My ten day started yesterday, monday. The PS90 kit sounds interesting. Please keep me posted on it.
got to fondle the CA compliant one last night..intriguing caliber... I'm not an AR guy but a funky carbine like this seemed interesting, although not very universally sharing in a parts commonality kind of way.(sorry about the broken gas piston is the DE grammaton )
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On-Target in Mission Viejo should be good since you can shoot 308 all day there and their backstop is rated to 50BMG

I'm a member there, so you could share a lane with me for free if you let me shoot it I have a 50rnd box of SS197 i bought a while ago in hope that it would inspire me to buy the gun but then I discovered OLLs
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On-Target in Mission Viejo should be good since you can shoot 308 all day there and their backstop is rated to 50BMG

I'm a member there, so you could share a lane with me for free if you let me shoot it I have a 50rnd box of SS197 i bought a while ago in hope that it would inspire me to buy the gun but then I discovered OLLs
Thanks for the tip Cpl. I've actually been to On Target, my folks live in Laguna Niguel. I'll PM you if i ever make it down to that range.
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got to fondle the CA compliant one last night..intriguing caliber... I'm not an AR guy but a funky carbine like this seemed interesting, although not very universally sharing in a parts commonality kind of way.
Yeah, the PS90CA did attract an ungodly amount of attention... for a minute or two I started having flashbacks to the last gun show I worked.

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(sorry about the broken gas piston is the DE grammaton )
Don't worry about the gas piston... it just gave me an excuse to order the chromed one, which will be a lot less of a pain to clean. Plus an extra-powerful spring assembly, probably a good idea when shooting 50AE.
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Guys, Sal and Sean, let me know when the CA kit is ready to be seen and purchased.
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Mine is the USG model so I don't know for sure. I got my info from one of the magazine articles which said that the IOM mags won't work in the USG model because they wouldn't activate the mag safety. Its not first hand knowledge so I could be wrong.
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Mine is the USG model so I don't know for sure. I got my info from one of the magazine articles which said that the IOM mags won't work in the USG model because they wouldn't activate the mag safety. Its not first hand knowledge so I could be wrong.
check fivesevenforum.com. they'll tell you everything you'd ever want to know about the fiveseven.
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Mine is the USG model so I don't know for sure. I got my info from one of the magazine articles which said that the IOM mags won't work in the USG model because they wouldn't activate the mag safety. Its not first hand knowledge so I could be wrong.
I can assure you that the IOM and USG magazines are the same. Tactical magazines do not have the "shelf" on the right side to deactivate the magazine disconnect.
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I can assure you that the IOM and USG magazines are the same. Tactical magazines do not have the "shelf" on the right side to deactivate the magazine disconnect.
I stand corrected. My source was the 1/06 article in swat magazine. I had to go find it again. It does in fact state that the IOM and USG have the safety. The part I was remembering was where it says that the 20rd mags designed for the original 5.7s won't work in the newer models because of the mag safety. My confusion. Sorry for posting the inaccurate info.

I've been to fiveseven.com, but don't really spend much time there. I'll probably go back more once I get a reloading setup. I remember reading some good info a while back.

The article in swat does mention deactivating the mag safety in just a couple minutes. I'm going to have to look into that since it is such an annoying feature.
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I stand corrected. My source was the 1/06 article in swat magazine. I had to go find it again. It does in fact state that the IOM and USG have the safety. The part I was remembering was where it says that the 20rd mags designed for the original 5.7s won't work in the newer models because of the mag safety. My confusion. Sorry for posting the inaccurate info.

I've been to fiveseven.com, but don't really spend much time there. I'll probably go back more once I get a reloading setup. I remember reading some good info a while back.

The article in swat does mention deactivating the mag safety in just a couple minutes. I'm going to have to look into that since it is such an annoying feature.

No problem. The Tactical came first, and it did not have the magazine disconnect, hence the magazines were nto designed with the little shelf on the right side to deactivate the disconnect. Almost all or all new magazines have the disconnector shelf on it, and can work with either the Tactical or IOM/USG models.

Where are you located? I can show you how to disable the disconnect without modifying/removing/replacing anything, and it will be 100% reliable, and able to switch back to the original configuration in minutes with a small bladed screwdriver.
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No problem. The Tactical came first, and it did not have the magazine disconnect, hence the magazines were nto designed with the little shelf on the right side to deactivate the disconnect. Almost all or all new magazines have the disconnector shelf on it, and can work with either the Tactical or IOM/USG models.

Where are you located? I can show you how to disable the disconnect without modifying/removing/replacing anything, and it will be 100% reliable, and able to switch back to the original configuration in minutes with a small bladed screwdriver.

we just got one in the shop today and i was all set to try ad talk the boss into letting me buy it, when i was crushed! it has a disconnect!(ugh!) so how are you doing it lee? just making a shim for it?(i spent half of the evening thinking about it.)
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i am dying to buy it, even though i cant afford the "super-duper-mondo-ultra-cannon-wonder-gun"
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lol...lee, email me that diagram of yours, too. thanks.
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Lee, please post it.
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OK, the official Leelaw Method™ FN Five-seveN Magazine Disconnect Disable.

Note: I do not warrant any of the work performed within this tutorial. However, I have had absoloutly NO failures of any kind since I performed this modification to the Magazine Disconnect on my FN 5-7 IOM, and have every expectation that it will work the same for your pistol as it has for mine. Again, I make no guarantees about this, for legal reasons.

On to the tutorial.

I purchased a FN Five-seveN IOM about two years ago, and was overall pleased with the gun except for one feature - the magazine disconnect. A magazine disconnect is, in my opinion, a safety issue, since it could be possible, however remotely, that I need to fire the gun when between reloads, without a magazine inserted, and with a round in the chamber. The magazine disconnect, by virtue of its design, would prevent me from doing exactly that. So I set out to disable mine in such a way that it could be done without damaging the mechanics of the pistol, and also be reversed if need be.

First, the magazine disconnect for the FN Five-seveN must be explained a little bit.

There is a tension bar (it will be pictured/explained in pictures below) which puts downward pressure on the linkage between the trigger and sear. When this tension bar does as stated, it disconnects the trigger linkage from the sear and prevents the striker from falling.

When a magazine is inserted into the magazine well, a "shelf" (for a lack of a better term) on the right side of the magazine pushes UP on the tention bar, allowing the trigger linkage to raise upwards, too. When the trigger linkage is in this upward position it reconnects with the sear and will allow the striker to fall when the trigger is pulled.

Once I recognized the way the magazine disconnect worked, I set out to fix it, and did so, in the most simplistic terms, by manipulating the position of the tension bar so that it always puts upward pressure on the trigger linkage, and always allows the hammer to drop when the trigger is pulled.

On to the method:

1. Engage the safety of the Five-seveN
2. Completely empty the firearm - empty the chamber, and remove the magazine. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DO THIS OR ANY GUNSMITHING ON A LOADED FIREARM! I can not be held responsible if you injure yourself from attempting this modification.
3. Remove the slide from the frame.


The inside of your firearm should look like this.
Explanation of the parts:
Lower Tension Bar Retainer
Tension Bar
Upper Tension Bar Retainer
Trigger Linkage

Note how the Tension Bar is held in place by the Upper and Lower Retainer. These pieces are plastic and are not in any other way attached to the Tension Bar, other than simple friction. Also note that the Tension Bar is pushing downward on a little "finger" at the bottom of the Trigger Linkage.

4. Insert a small jewelers flat-bladed screwdriver, between the Tension Bar and the frame of the pistol, and gently pry the Tension Bar toward the opposide side of the frame.
5. When the tension bar has cleared the Upper Retainer, use pliers or your finger to pull it upwards, towards where the slide would be.
6. Let the Tension Bar rest on TOP of the Upper Retainer, putting upwards pressure on the Trigger Linkage.


Your pistol should now look like this.


7. Reinstall the slide.
8. Check to make sure that the firearm is completely unloaded.
9. Check for proper function of the firearm. While pointing the firearm in a safe direction: Disengage the safety and pull the trigger, releasing the striker; cycle the slide; pull the trigger, releasing the striker, and hold down the trigger; cycle the slide; release the trigger, noting that the trigger reset functions properly; pull the tirgger, releasing the striker; cycle the slide; engage the safety and pull the trigger - if your striker falls at this point, something was done wrong and you should have your pistol checked by a professional gunsmith immediately!

I hope this has been informative. The modification should be 100% reversible (I verified this today) and your firearm will not be damaged by it. I've put almost 1,000 rounds through my Five-seveN since performing this modification and it has run 100.00%

Disabling the magazine disconnect this way requires NO modification to the magazines.

Please PM me with any questions you may have.
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Lee, i didnt even think to do that! thank you. i thought it may have had some slight cast-in or flashing on it to keep it in place.
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Default Purchased the Five Seven today

I just bought a Five-seveN and have never been a fan of the magazine disconnect. I came across your long ago post in my Goggle search.

I have a "G" Model and on MY pistol there is a rectangular hole that lines right up with the Tension Bar. I can't speak about other pistols or earlier models if they're like this also. I used a small jewelers flat-bladed screwdriver and just pushed on the Tension Bar from outside the frame till it cleared the Upper and Lower Tension Bar Retainers so there was no prying involved.

Following the rest of the directions from there I pulled up on the Tension Bar till it rested on TOP of the Upper Retainer and set it back in place.

Did a function check the test fired without any issues.

THANKS for sharing!!!
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