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Old 01-12-2011, 6:18 PM
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Default Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread

With Brown's signing of AB 1964, SSE appears to go away as of Jan 1, 2015.
SUMMARY:
The 'single shot exemption' or 'SSE' is an exception to California's Roster of Handguns. Guns in the SSE configuration may be sold in California, regardless of whether they are on the Roster. They must actually be safely functional, and must be capable of firing only one shot before reloading.See also BWiese Feb 8 2014

Once delivered to the buyer, the original parts may be re-installed and original functionality will be restored.
As before, any updates/additions/corrections/suggestions are welcome. I am not an employee nor am I affiliated with any FFL in any capacity other than customer. I will check this thread fairly regularly, or you can PM me.
This mini database is broken into sections, please use control+F with "Section X" to jump to the pertinent section (as of now, this seems to be the easiest way to navigate a long post):

Section 1- legal
Section 2- plain English explanation of the process
Section 3- FFL's who are performing this process, and the capacity in which they are doing the conversions
Section 4- FFL's who are willing to transfer these items and their location/information
Section 5- out of state vendors who will NOT ship off-roster items to CA
FAQ in next post

Section 1: Legal

12133. (a) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a
single-action revolver that has at least a 5-cartridge capacity
with a barrel length of not less than three inches, and meets
any of the following specifications:
(1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or
relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of
Federal Regulations.
(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least 71/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and
barrel are assembled.
(3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least 71/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and
barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for
importation into the United States pursuant to the provisions
of paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18
of the United States Code.

(b) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a
single-shot pistol with a barrel length of not less than six
inches and that has an overall length of at least 10 1/2 inches
when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.

**note: anything not explicitly prohibited by the law is legal


Section 2: Explanation

- This conversion can be done by a private party (unlikely for them to have the parts) prior to shipping.
- This reversible conversion generally entails a replacement barrel of greater length and a mag lock (not revolvers). There are no permanent modifications to the gun.
- Keep in mind that certain guns, due to the nature of demand and or design, will be prohibitively expensive or not readily available to be converted.
- Either complete DROS at that FFL or have it shipped to an FFL who is willing to accept guns in this format. Note, this may require a deposit on the parts from the FFL.
- Take possession of the gun after DROS.
- Return the gun to its original configuration (note, for guns with the magazine outside of the grip, a bullet button must be used, and you cannot use "normal capacity" magazines).
BWeise 1

BWeise 2
Recipe:

1. Convert to single shot
2. DROS and wait
3. Deliver
4. Re-convert
Section 3: FFL's doing this work

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Shop:

Auburn Guns & Ammo
135 Sutherland Drive
Auburn, CA 95603
(530) 852-7733
Hours: Mon-Fri 10am - 5pm
Capacity: common guns in 9mm, 380acp, 10mm, 40sw, and 45acp, inquire within
Rate: $50 for guns purchased eslewhere
Shipping: No

Shop:
Bear Arms Precision
South Lake Tahoe, CA 96150
530-816-0476
Hours: Appointment only
Capacity: Sig 238/ 938/ 220 variants/ 226/ 228/ 229, 1911 and Glock models soon
Rate: $150
Shipping: no

Shop:
Placer Tactical
533 Lincoln Blvd. Ste 7
Lincoln, Ca 95648
916-996-5510
Hours: Appointment only
Capacity: common guns in 9mm, 380acp, 10mm, 40sw, and 45acp, inquire within
Rate: Contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Tracy Rifle and Pistol
2726 Naglee Road
Tracy, CA 95304-7309
(209) 565-4867
Hours:
Mon-Sat 10 am - 7pm
Capacity: AR/AK/Mac 10, LCP, Glock Gen 4, Sig, HK45, HK P30, Kahr p380, 1911 .40/.45, xDm
Rate: contact the shop

Shop:
Wild Bill's Old West Trading Co.
10490 East Stockton Blvd, Ste 150
Elk Grove, CA 95624
(916) 686-7699
Hours: contact shop
Capacity: Gen 4 Glocks, LCP
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Bay Area

Shop:
Brian Nussbaum Company
1336 North Carolan Avenue, Suite One
Burlingame, CA 94010
Local Phone: 650-359-3442
Toll Free Phone: 800-870-3442
Fax: 650-347-4536
BNCFFL.COM
Hours:
Tues - Fri 10 am - 7pm
Sat 10am - 5pm
Capacity: most common pistols, contact shop
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: no

Shop:
Cordelia Gun Exchange
4733 Central Way
Fairfield CA 94534
(707) 864-2666
Hours:
Tu-Fr 11-7
Sa 11-6
Capacity: Anything in .380, 9, 40, .45, any 1911, pretty much anything.
Rate: No SSE Fees
Shipping: Will ship firearms, but not firearms in SSE configuration.

Shop:
City Arms East
60 Golf Club Road #B
Pleasant Hill, CA 94523
(925) 691-5981
http://city-arms.com/
Hours:
Tu-Fri 11-7
Sat 11-5
Capacity: Inquire within
Rate: Inquire within
Shipping: no

Shop:
Digital Instincts
1101 Reed Ave
Ste B
Sunnyvale, CA 94086
(408) 682-0066
digital-instincts.com
Hours:
Mon-Fri 10am - 8pm
Sat-Sun 10am - 6pm
Capacity: 1911's, Gen 4 9MM Glock, HK45 and 45C, HK P30, CZ-75 variants, and 9MM S&W M&P variants like the Pro Series and Core
Rate: $100 including DROS
Shipping: no

Shop:
Metal Dog Tactical Supply
2128 N First Street
Suite D
San Jose CA 95131
(408)437-AR15
sales@metaldogtactical.com
http://www.metaldogtactical.com/
Hours:
Tues-Fri 11am -7pm
Sat 12pm - 5pm
Capacity: 1911's
Rate: Contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Mount Pleasant Arms
2275 Mount Pleasant Rd
San Jose, CA 95148-1817'
408-768-9151
peter@mparms.com
http://www.mparms.com/
Hours: By appointment in the evenings - closed Wednesdays and Sundays
Capacity: http://www.mparms.com/Single-Shot-Exemptions_ep_67.html
Rate: Contact shop
Shipping: No

Central

Shop:
Breco Enterprises
1508 Tollhouse Road, Suite A
Clovis, CA 93611
(559) 322-1710
Hours: contact shop
Capacity: SSE all pistols in .380ACP, 9MM, .40S&W, .45ACP and 10MM, AR/AK pistols
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Cencal Guns
Visalia, CA
(559) 827-5131
Hours: contact shop
Capacity: contact shop
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Elite Arms & Supply
1148 S Main St
Manteca, CA 95337
(209) 823-4400
http://elitearmsandsupply.com/index.html
Hours:
T-F 10am - 7pm
S 10am - 6pm
Capacity: most common models including Glocks, Sigs, 1911's, M&P, etc.
Rate: inquire within
Shipping: no

Shop:

Full Spectrum Firearms
4708 N. Marty Ave.
Fresno, CA 93722
1-844-GUN-GUYS (486-4897)
email: grunts@fullspectrumfirearms.com
Website: http://www.fullspectrumfirearms.com/
Hours:
M-S 9am - 6pm
Su 9am - 5pm
Capacity: most common models, inquire within
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Goodland Guns
5708 Hollister Ave Unit D
Goleta, CA 93117
(805) 845-1406
http://goodlandguns.com
sales@goodlandguns.com
Hours:
T-F 10:30am - 6pm
S 10am - 3pm
Capacity: any .380/9mm/.40 S&W/.45 ACP handgun that can have the barrel removed, 1911's in .38 super, 9mm, or .45. Ruger SR22, and Smith & Wesson M&P. Revolver conversion from double to single for most models.
Rate: $50 for in house guns (often included in price), $100 for guns purchased elsewhere
Shipping: Yes. $150 deposit.

Shop:
Spencer's Firearms
14402 Hwy 41
Madera, CA 93636
(559) 822-4369
Hours:
Tue-Fri 10am - 7pm
Sat 10am - 6pm
Capacity: 1911, Hi-Power, Glock Gen 4
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
PRK
5530 East Lamona Avenue
Fresno, CA 93727-2277
(559) 283-8666
Hours:
Tues-Thurs 10am - 5pm
Fri 10am - 6pm
Sat 10am - 4pm
Capacity: AR/AK/Mac 10, LCP, xDm, Glock Gen 4, 1911's. etc.
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No
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Shop:
2A Zone
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
(866) 270-7858
Hours: appointment only
Capacity: most common models, transfers only http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=904714
Rate: $100 total including DROS/transfer fees
Shipping: no

Shop:
Addax Tactical
1431 Truman St.
Unit E
San Fernando, CA 91340
(818) 361-5008
Hours:
Tues-Fri 11am - 6pm
Sat 11am - 4pm
Capacity:
Most Glock Gen 4 models (with exception to the Glock 42 until we make the SSE barrel for this).
Most SIG models
S&W M&P's
Most 1911's with the exception of bull barrel type configurations. (9mm 1911 SSE is in the works).
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: no

Shop:
American Gun Works
1837 W. Glenoaks Blvd.
Glendale, CA 91201
phone: (818) 956-6010
fax: (818) 548-8606
http://www.americangunworks.net/index.php
Hours:
Tue-Fri 10am - 6pm
Sat 10am - 4pm
Capacity: 1911, Glock Gen 4
Rate: $100
Shipping: No

Shop:
AmmoParadise
Anaheim, CA 92807
(714) 864-8064
sales@ammoparadise.com
https://www.ammoparadise.com
Hours: by appointment
Capacity: AR/AK Pistols, Glock (all models), Beretta, Sig, HK, xDm, 1911's, S&W semi-auto, CZ, FN, etc. Including most 45ACP, 40SW, 380, 9mm - inquire within for special requests
Rate: Included on firearms purchased or ordered through shop, $100 on firearms purchased elsewhere
Shipping: No

Shop:
AO Sword Firearms
929 E Main St, El Cajon, CA 92021
(619) 749-4867
Hours:
Mon-Fri 10am - 6pm
Sat 10am - 5pm
Capacity: AR, AK, and most semiautomatic pistols, including single stack and double stack.
Rate: ~$75
Shipping: No

Shop:
Direct Action Solutions
722 Genevieve Street, Suite G
Solana Beach, CA 92075
(858) 436-7088
Hours:
Tues-Sat 10am - 6pm
Capacity: HK45, FNP-45, AR pistols, Draco pistols, 1911's
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:[INDENT]EBR Works
Newbury Park, CA 91320
***ALL SSE INVENTORY SOLD OUT. TRANSFER CALENDAR IS FULL FOR THE REMAINDER OF 2014***

Shop:
Get A Gun
12622 Knights Bridge Place
Bakersfield, CA 93312
(661) 978-6450
Hours: contact shop
Capacity: AR/AK pistols, LCP
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Gunfighter Tactical (formerly 'Wiser Owl')
6904 Miramar Rd
Unit 105
San Diego, CA 92121
at Carroll Rd in Miramar
(858) 547-9999
Hours:
M,W-F: 10am-7pm
S: 10am-4pm
Capacity: contact shop
Rate: no charge for SSE
Shipping: no

Shop:
OC Armory
23012 Del Lago Dr
Suite B
Laguna Hills, Ca 92653
949-768-5189
Hours:
Tues- Fri 12pm-9pm
Sat. 9am 6pm
Capacity: Most pistols .380 and larger and revolvers longer than 3" with more than 5 cylinders.
Rate: $45 pistol transfer $55 SSE DROS $25
Shipping: No

Shop:
Hollow Point V
Simi Valley, CA 93065
(805) 325-0111
www.gunshopsimivalley.com
Hours: Appointment only
Capacity: contact shop hollowpointv@att.net
Rate: $120 for SSE including DROS
Shipping: no

Shop:
Limited-10
7960 Silverton ave suite 105
San Diego, Ca 92126
Hours: Appointment only
Capacity: Most glocks, 1911/2011 frames
Rate: $100 1911/2011 frames, guns no SSE fee (only transfer fee)
Shipping: No

Shop:
Own More Guns
Simi Valley, CA 93065
(805) 304-7931
omgtactical@yahoo.com
Hours: Appointment only
Capacity: All .380 ACP, 9mm, .40 S&W & .45 ACP
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Parallax Tactical
5276 Eastgate Mall
San Diego, CA 92121
(619) 630-4869
http://www.parallaxtactical.com
Hours:
Tues-Fri 11am - 6pm
Sat 12pm - 7pm
Sat 12pm - 5pm
Capacity:
Walther PPQ in 9mm
CZ - 75 9mm SP01, 9mm Omega, 9mm P07
XDm - All Calibers and Sizes
Sig - P226 9mm and .40, P220 .45, P229 9mm
Smith & Wesson - M&P9 Full Size and PRO/CORE
HK - P30 9mm, HK45, HK45c
1911's - .45 only
Glock - all calibers and sizes except sub-compact 10mm, any .357 sig, any .45 GAP
FN - FNP45, FNX45, FNX9, FNS9
Rate: $100 + tax + DROS
Shipping: No

Shop:
PD Gun Supply & Tool Inc.
2053 Glenoaks Blvd.
San Fernando, CA 91340
(818) 322 4585
Hours:
Tues-Thurs 12pm - 7pm
Fri 12pm - 6pm
Sat 12pm - 5pm
PDG8186746744@gmail.com
Capacity: 1911's, Glocks
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Scorpion Arms
20732 Soledad Street #G
Santa Clarita, CA 91351
Tel: (661) 388-2250
Fax: (661) 388-2251
http://scorpionarms.net/
Hours:
Tues-Sat 10am - 6pm
Capacity: Gen 4 Glock, 1911, other models on a case by case basis
Rate: $150 for common models
Shipping: no

Shop:
TDS guns
4370 Bonita Rd, Chula Vista, CA 91902
(619) 434-8895
Hours:
M-S: 11am-7pm
Su: 10am-4pm
Capacity: contact shop
Rate: no fee for guns bought through shop, $200 for outside transfers all inclusive
Shipping: no

Shop:
VC Defense
Thousand Oaks, CA 91362
(805) 380-6486
Sales@VCDefense.com
http://www.VCDefense.com
Hours: by appointment only
Rates (+tax, 7.5% if applicable + DROS): Included with pistol purchased from VC Defense, $150 for SSEs from other dealers without hardware, $60 for SSEs with hardware from another dealer/ customer or for On Roster transfers. Call or email for SSE of or for custom AR pistol builds.
Shipping: No

Out of State

Shop: Table Rock
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I just purchased my first handgun (on-roster BuckMark) and am already wanting a G19 Gen4 FDE. I believe I understand the SSE and the gunsmithing, but this is what bother's me.

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Q: Can I shoot my gun in single shot exempt form?
A: Yes, and in theory nothing out of the ordinary should happen. Is it recommended? No.???
Is there potential to get questioned, hassled, etc. just for showing up at the range to fire the re-converted to factory specs handgun? How are you getting around this? Do I have to actually buy a conversion kit (longer barrel) so I can convert it when going to the range? If so, what would be the point of practicing with a different barrel than I would use in a SHTF scenario?
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I just purchased my first handgun (on-roster BuckMark) and am already wanting a G19 Gen4 FDE. I believe I understand the SSE and the gunsmithing, but this is what bother's me.

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Q: Can I shoot my gun in single shot exempt form?
A: Yes, and in theory nothing out of the ordinary should happen. Is it recommended? No.???
Is there potential to get questioned, hassled, etc. just for showing up at the range to fire the re-converted to factory specs handgun? How are you getting around this? Do I have to actually buy a conversion kit (longer barrel) so I can convert it when going to the range? If so, what would be the point of practicing with a different barrel than I would use in a SHTF scenario?
Perhaps are misunderstanding the use of the SSE. The item needs to be DROS'd in an exempt configuration to get the exemption from the roster. The conversion is done for that purpose alone. The intent is to use it in the factory configuration, not the exempt configuration.

Why would you expect to be hassled? There are other legal ways to end up with an off-roster configuration, and no one has any reason to question those. You acquired it legally, so what is the problem?

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Thanks for the answers!

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Perhaps are misunderstanding the use of the SSE. The item needs to be DROS'd in an exempt configuration to get the exemption from the roster. The conversion is done for that purpose alone. The intent is to use it in the factory configuration, not the exempt configuration.
I guess the laws don't make sense to me. Since the SSE/reconversion is so easy, it seems against the law to acquire and posess on off-roster gun this way.

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Why would you expect to be hassled? There are other legal ways to end up with an off-roster configuration, and no one has any reason to question those. You acquired it legally, so what is the problem?
I've actually never gone to a range, I've done all my practice in the desert near Lake Havasu. I assummed a range could be somehow liable if they allowed off-roster guns, or if the state becomes even more anti-gun, that there could be potential random DOJ inspections in the future.
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Thanks for the answers!



I guess the laws don't make sense to me. Since the SSE/reconversion is so easy, it seems against the law to acquire and posess on off-roster gun this way.



I've actually never gone to a range, I've done all my practice in the desert near Lake Havasu. I assummed a range could be somehow liable if they allowed off-roster guns, or if the state becomes even more anti-gun, that there could be potential random DOJ inspections in the future.
most ranges don't exam your guns (not to any great detail anyway)... the only one that I go to that gives more than a glance in OC Sheriff's range - and they are just making sure there are no Sat night specials coming in... and it's highly doubtful they would realize a certain gun is not on DOJ roster... none of the other ranges I frequent would bother with it.
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I just purchased my first handgun (on-roster BuckMark) and am already wanting a G19 Gen4 FDE. I believe I understand the SSE and the gunsmithing, but this is what bother's me.

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FAQ

Q: Can I shoot my gun in single shot exempt form?
A: Yes, and in theory nothing out of the ordinary should happen. Is it recommended? No.???
Is there potential to get questioned, hassled, etc. just for showing up at the range to fire the re-converted to factory specs handgun? How are you getting around this? Do I have to actually buy a conversion kit (longer barrel) so I can convert it when going to the range? If so, what would be the point of practicing with a different barrel than I would use in a SHTF scenario?
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Perhaps are misunderstanding the use of the SSE. The item needs to be DROS'd in an exempt configuration to get the exemption from the roster. The conversion is done for that purpose alone. The intent is to use it in the factory configuration, not the exempt configuration.

Why would you expect to be hassled? There are other legal ways to end up with an off-roster configuration, and no one has any reason to question those. You acquired it legally, so what is the problem?
I definitely misunderstood the answer above .

Ultimately, understanding a random inspection is not likely (at this time), how is one to explain having an off-roster gun if put in that situation? Simply saying "I modified it" is supposed to allow you to keep the gun and stay out of trouble, just because the law doesn't say I can't modify it? Isn't the purpose of the roster to tell which guns are allowed to be owned as configured by the factory, and which guns could only be owned if "permanently" modified as single shot?

Thanks for putting up with questions from a newb.
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Isn't the purpose of the roster to tell which guns are allowed to be owned as configured by the factory, and which guns could only be owned if "permanently" modified as single shot?
Nope, the roster just says what guns Dealers may sell new to civilians. If its SSE/SAE, PPT or intra-familial transfer, then the roster means diddly jack.
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Ultimately, understanding a random inspection is not likely (at this time), how is one to explain having an off-roster gun if put in that situation? Simply saying "I modified it" is supposed to allow you to keep the gun and stay out of trouble, just because the law doesn't say I can't modify it? Isn't the purpose of the roster to tell which guns are allowed to be owned as configured by the factory, and which guns could only be owned if "permanently" modified as single shot?
The answer to any question about any firearm that you legally own is: I legally own this firearm. Nothing more. People tend to get in trouble by being stupid and saying too much. Remember, you have a right to remain silent.

The law is to harass people. There are MANY ways to legally own a firearm which is not on the certified list, such as a PPT, being a resident of multiple states, moving from outside of CA into CA, intrafamilial transfer, etc.

If you slightly change a firearm on the certified list, then it can not be transferred by a FFL unless the person is exempt or the transfer is exempt (PPT).

The certified list is claimed to be about safety, but then police are exempt from have a firearm which is tested to ensure that it is safe (based on the claims of the reason for the law, not my view). Any firearm which was unsafe would result in the manufacturer being sued out of existance.
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Is there potential to get questioned, hassled, etc. just for showing up at the range to fire the re-converted to factory specs handgun? How are you getting around this? Do I have to actually buy a conversion kit (longer barrel) so I can convert it when going to the range? If so, what would be the point of practicing with a different barrel than I would use in a SHTF scenario?
I don't think you are understanding the question that is being asked, which is can you shoot the firearm when it is in the SINGLE SHOT CONFIGURATION. This is NOTHING about after it is converted back to normal.

If you look at the quality of some the single shot barrels and how the barrel was created, you might think twice about whether you would want to use it ever for anything other than as a paperweight or to technically convert a firearm to single shot. I say technically since if the firearm can not be shot with it, then could it raise some issues.
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Section 4: Shops that are willing to accept transfers in this form

NorCal

California Handgun Exchange (Cottonwood)
Golden Bear Arms (El Dorado Hills)
Norse Armory (Woodland)
Robert Marine (Eureka)
Roberts Gunsmithing and Police Supply (Folsom)

Bay Area

Eddy's Shooting Sports (Mountain View)
Kevin Smith (Martinez)
Republic of Northern Calif Armory (Oakley)
Rob Blank (Milpitas)
Santa Cruz Armory (Santa Cruz)

Central

JK Supply Co (Ione)
Mad River Arms (Riverbank)
Tenpercent Firearms (Taft)

SoCal

Addax Tactical (San Fernando)
Aegis (Burbank)
Bright Spot Pawn (Riverside)
EBR Works (Newbury Park)
Echo Arms (East Orange County)
Fort Courage Armory (Simi Valley)
Gusslers (Santee)
HIT Armory (Upland)
MGM Tactical (Bakersfield)
OC Armory (Laguna Hills)
Pennington Firearms (Wildomar)
Professional Armament Services (Anaheim)
Riflegear (Fountain Valley)
Straightline Tactical (Anaheim)
SWI Firearms (Santa Ana)
Tin Star Supply (Oak Hills/Hesperia)
West Coast Survival Arms (Chula Vista)


Section 5: Out of state vendors who will not ship off roster guns to CA, support vendors that support us

Bud's Gun Shop
STI *maybe some improvement on this front, YMMV
Nelson Tactical
Springfield Armory

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Q: Where (in the law) does it say that I can convert a gun back to normal capacity?
A: If not prohibited by the law, it is legal. In this case, you are merely performing gunsmithing work. Just keep AW laws in mind.

Q: How do I know this thread has the correct information?
A: I have done my best to combine my own research with outside input/corrections. While I am not a lawyer (yet ), this process has the CGF legal team "seal of approval" and some shops have been visited by both CGF legal folks and the DOJ already without issue.

Q: Can I shoot my gun in single shot exempt form?
A: Yes, and in theory nothing out of the ordinary should happen. Is it recommended? No.

Q: Why won't a shop ABC convert gun XYZ?
A: There are a few possible reasons. First, the gun's design could make a conversion cost/time prohibitive. Secondly, there may not be enough demand for this particular gun. In this case, you could try and organize a group buy to demonstrate demand, or pay more. Finally, the shop may be so overloaded with work that your particular gun is just not high enough on their list yet. In this case, a group buy may or may not bump your gun up on the priority list.

Q: Does this process work for revolvers?
A: Yes, there are somewhat different requirements, but the process works for revolvers as well.

Q: If I decide to sell this gun later, what happens?
A: You can sell it the same way as any other off-roster gun in CA.

Q: What will it say on my DROS?
A: Under type - single shot exempt.

Q: My favorite shop doesn't believe these conversions are legal, how can I convince them?
A: Unfortunately, many shops don't feel comfortable with things that are completely legal. The best you can do is show them the penal code and/or direct them to the CGF legal team if they are willing.

Q: Can I use a gun transferred in this way on my CCW?
A: Yes. The gun, once returned to its original configuration, is fine to put on your CCW, like any other off-roster pistol.

Q: Why can't/won't these shops ship their conversions?
A: Some of them did at first. However, many customers lagged or did not return the parts. Every gun sold in this form must remain converted during the 10 day waiting period so there's no rotating of parts possible. The backlog created by people being lazy/inconsiderate/whatever with returning parts has caused them to stop. Even with the deposit system (which many people would balk at), in the event of a late return other customers are still backed up as shops have to hound the customer or make new parts.
*note - there is new legal advice stating that it may not be necessary to keep the guns in exempted form during the 10 day waiting period (during DROS and pickup only)
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This is kind of iffy in my opinion. Andy, based on how things went today, I think they're still unsure of themselves. The guy that did the PPT for us today wasn't sure how to do an off-roster PPT even though it's done like any other one. Then their boss or supervisor seemed skeptical about the whole single shot exemption and that they've never done one for regular pistols, just the AR pistols and AK pistols. Then again, they said if it's legal they'll do it. The guy who helped us said they will so go for it but I'd rather go through someone who was sure that they will do it.
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This is kind of iffy in my opinion. Andy, based on how things went today, I think they're still unsure of themselves. The guy that did the PPT for us today wasn't sure how to do an off-roster PPT even though it's done like any other one. Then their boss or supervisor seemed skeptical about the whole single shot exemption and that they've never done one for regular pistols, just the AR pistols and AK pistols. Then again, they said if it's legal they'll do it. The guy who helped us said they will so go for it but I'd rather go through someone who was sure that they will do it.
Thanks again Andy! You've helped me complete my XDm collection... Maybe you can help me start my 1911 collection next? Haha
I don't know why some people have a hard time doing single shot off roster pistols such as the XDM, but never have a problem with AR pistols and AK pistols.

It is done in the exact same way, they are all off roster pistols in an exempt form.
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I don't know why some people have a hard time doing single shot off roster pistols such as the XDM, but never have a problem with AR pistols and AK pistols.

It is done in the exact same way, they are all off roster pistols in an exempt form.
You give certain people too much credit.
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I'm a happy customer of Ryan @ Table Rock Arms. Ryan has great customer service and was very patient with me thru the whole process. He couldnt supply the pistol; I wanted. He happily did the transfer from another dealer.

I wanted a rare to find HK P30LS variant 1. Only 200 of these came here to the country and with the help of fellow HK'ers I found one a swooped it up. Ryan, was very strong about getting the pistol I wanted... He said since he couldnt supply the P30LS variant 1. He was more than happy to help me with the transfer and the one shot conversion.

My P30LS is on its way to great guys @ StraightLine Tactical, as we speak. I cant wait to get her out of 10day jail. I'll definitely go back to Table Rock Arms for my next purchase...

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I'm a happy customer of Ryan @ Table Rock Arms. Ryan has great customer service and was very patient with me thru the whole process. He couldnt supply the pistol; I wanted. He happily did the transfer from another dealer.

I wanted a rare to find HK P30LS variant 1. Only 200 of these came here to the country and with the help of fellow HK'ers I found one a swooped it up. Ryan, was very strong about getting the pistol I wanted... He said since he couldnt supply the P30LS variant 1. He was more than happy to help me with the transfer and the one shot conversion.

My P30LS is on its way to great guys @ StraightLine Tactical, as we speak. I cant wait to get her out of 10day jail. I'll definitely go back to Table Rock Arms for my next purchase...

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CZ guys get ready... Ryan is working of barrels for you guys.
Thanks for the kind words. I have been doing my best to stay on top of things, but I have been swamped with requests. Funny thing is when I had two barrels I was thinking if I had a couple more I would be set. Now I have probably 20 barrels and I am just as far behind as when I had 2.

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edit: Thinking about it now I have about 30 barrels for single shot conversion.

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Thanks for the kind words. I have been doing my best to stay on top of things, but I have been swamped with requests. Funny thing is when I had two barrels I was thinking if I had a couple more I would be set. Now I have probably 20 barrels and I am just as far behind as when I had 2.

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Thanks for the kind words. I have been doing my best to stay on top of things, but I have been swamped with requests. Funny thing is when I had two barrels I was thinking if I had a couple more I would be set. Now I have probably 20 barrels and I am just as far behind as when I had 2.

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edit: Thinking about it now I have about 30 barrels for single shot conversion.
Just wanted to say that I also go through Ryan at Table Rock Arms in Oregon for my One Shot Exemption also. He is GREAT!!!! Poor guy is working his butt off...gotta love him!!!! Ryan...I believe they have you listed on here for an FFL Dealer Out of State who does One Shot Exemptions but they have no address posted. Might want to contact them. Not as if you need the business hun...lol
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If you're near Solana beach, call Direct Action Solutions! They were starting on SSE.
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I just gotta say how nice it was to do business with Valkyrie Arms for two of my three single shots. No attitude, no looking down noses at me saying no no no, just cool real people. I drove two hours to do business with them again for this reason.

A BIG thank you to CG also for helping navigate the gun law land mine field with the single shot threads, AW flow charts, 2A threads & the pooled knowledge has kept me legal & shooting the guns I want....well most of the guns I want heh heh
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I just gotta say how nice it was to do business with Valkyrie Arms for two of my three single shots. No attitude, no looking down noses at me saying no no no, just cool real people. I drove two hours to do business with them again for this reason.

A BIG thank you to CG also for helping navigate the gun law land mine field with the single shot threads, AW flow charts, 2A threads & the pooled knowledge has kept me legal & shooting the guns I want....well most of the guns I want heh heh
Absolutely agree. Went in tonight and bought a XDM from. They explained the SSC process to me and were as friendly as can be. They are now my default gun shop in the bay area!
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I attempted to buy a Sig P226 X5 Tactical from them, however, they were extremely unhelpful. I talked to Valkyrie Arms prior to ordering from Buds, and they confirmed that they could do the conversion on that Sig, and that Buds ships off-list pistols to them.

After I put in the order at Buds, they put the order on hold, saying that they would not ship off-list pistols to CA. I spoke to customer service, explained that Valkyrie has an 07 FFL, and that they could receive the pistol with no problem. I also explained that they do single shot conversions for roster exemption. The customer service rep said that was fine, and they would transfer me to sales so I could explain to them. The person I discussed it with didn't want to hear it, and insisted it was illegal to even ship the gun to CA, and cancelled my order.

I spoke to Valkyrie again, and they were surprised I'd had this experience, because they had received a shipment of off-list pistols from Buds just that week. They told me they would attempt to contact Buds about my case. However, due to the difference in normal operating hours, they had difficulty getting in touch with them.

I opted to try ordering again with Buds, the difference this time was that I didn't add anything in the comments section about single shot conversions or off-list pistols, hoping they would just send it without any fuss this time.

This time, it was flagged because it shipped with a "hi cap magazine". I spoke to customer service, and explain that it was legal to ship a pistol with a hi cap magazine to an 07 FFL, and that the FFL simply wouldn't give me the mag. They insisted that it was illegal to even ship the gun with the mag to CA. So I requested they simply remove the mag and send the pistol. They said they couldn't do that (but didn't really provide any explanation why). The rep told me to email Brandon to discuss the issue with him, so I did, and got an automated reply which said the expected response time would be within 48 hours.

However, before that amount of time had passed, another rep had updated the order to say that they couldn't ship it to CA with hi cap mags, and to choose a model that came with a different mag (although it's an off-list pistol, there's no 10 rd mag version), and cancelled the order.

I'm hoping Brandon replies and is able to resolve the situation, but given my experience with Buds so far, I find it unlikely that that will happen.

I do not recommend trying to order off-list pistols from Buds, it seems to be quite the hassle.
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Thanks for the kind words. I have been doing my best to stay on top of things, but I have been swamped with requests. Funny thing is when I had two barrels I was thinking if I had a couple more I would be set. Now I have probably 20 barrels and I am just as far behind as when I had 2.

Ryan

edit: Thinking about it now I have about 30 barrels for single shot conversion.
Ryan... You forgot about me. I was supposed to be next in line according to our phone conversation when you said you were waiting for a couple of your parts to get back. I left a message on your machine but never got called back again. I feel neglected...
I will say that Ryan is a very nice guy who is trying his hardest to keep up with all the requests since he's one of the few 07FFLs that will ship to us SoCal CGers.
Maybe I'm just the unlucky guy he forgot about despite our multiple phone conversations. I still appreciate your effort though Ryan and will say that despite my unluckiness you're a great person to do business with. Hopefully we can do some business in the future. That being said...
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Installation of a substitute barrel that makes the gun dimensionally compliant (OAL must be at least 10.5" and barrel minimum of 6"). 0 round sled or blocked magazine. Mag lock device.
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Installation of a substitute barrel that makes the gun dimensionally compliant. 0 round sled or blocked magazine. Mag lock device.
Mag locks are not necessary for all SSE pistols.

AR/AK pistols always need a mag lock. XDM, Gen4 Glock, LCPs, 1911s etc, do not need a mag lock unless they have evil features.
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AR/AK pistols always need a mag lock. XDM, Gen4 Glock, LCPs, 1911s etc, do not need a mag lock unless they have evil features.
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AR/AK pistols always need a mag lock. XDM, Gen4 Glock, LCPs, 1911s etc, do not need a mag lock unless they have evil features.
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Installation of a substitute barrel that makes the gun dimensionally compliant (OAL must be at least 10.5" and barrel minimum of 6"). 0 round sled or blocked magazine. Mag lock device.
So for a Ruger Charger:

OAL: 19.25" check

Barrel: 10.00" check

Blocked magazine: simple DIY

Mag lock: Any good designs floating around?

So to legally purchase a Ruger Charger all I would need to do is have it shipped to a willing 07 FFL, have them install a mag lock of some kind, insert a blocked mag and that's that? Or is it forever an assault weapon because it's a pistol with the magazine outside of the grip? Please advise. Thanks.
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So for a Ruger Charger:

OAL: 19.25" check

Barrel: 10.00" check

Blocked magazine: simple DIY

Mag lock: Any good designs floating around?

So to legally purchase a Ruger Charger all I would need to do is have it shipped to a willing 07 FFL, have them install a mag lock of some kind, insert a blocked mag and that's that? Or is it forever an assault weapon because it's a pistol with the magazine outside of the grip? Please advise. Thanks.
Correct. Zero round magazine with a mag lock and you're good to go. It needs to have the mag lock installed OUTSIDE of CA because with out it it is an AW and unless your 07 has an AW permit he can't receive it.

You should talk to Ryan @ Table Rock up in OR. He is a 07 FFL that is more than happy to help out CA get the things they want. Look at the first post for his contact info.
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Correct. Zero round magazine with a mag lock and you're good to go. It needs to have the mag lock installed OUTSIDE of CA because with out it it is an AW and unless your 07 has an AW permit he can't receive it.

You should talk to Ryan @ Table Rock up in OR. He is a 07 FFL that is more than happy to help out CA get the things they want. Look at the first post for his contact info.
Let's say my cousin buys one in AZ. I visit and convert the thing myself (If I can figure out a mag lock.) Then he ships it to my FFL here in CA. How does my local FFL DROS the weapon given that it's not on the roster? Is there a "single shot pistol" button he can click on to DROS it?
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Let's say my cousin buys one in AZ. I visit and convert the thing myself (If I can figure out a mag lock.) Then he ships it to my FFL here in CA. How does my local FFL DROS the weapon given that it's not on the roster? Is there a "single shot pistol" button he can click on to DROS it?
Yes, there is a choice in the DROS software for single shot. The gun must be fully compliant before entering California if going to an FFL 01. It also cannot have any AW features. Be sure to coordinate with the receiving FFL on these issues.
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Let's say my cousin buys one in AZ. I visit and convert the thing myself (If I can figure out a mag lock.) Then he ships it to my FFL here in CA. How does my local FFL DROS the weapon given that it's not on the roster? Is there a "single shot pistol" button he can click on to DROS it?
Your FFL would DROS it as a Single Shot Exempt Pistol. Be sure to use a 0 Round magazine to make it a Single Shot. Once it has been DROSed you can now put in a 10 Round magazine but you will still need to use the mag lock.
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Yes you can have 2 C&R 03 FFL's; 1 in California and 1 in a different state.


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