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Old 07-27-2010, 4:25 PM
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Default LMT 308 vs FN SCAR H

So I was talking guns at the local gun store, and they told me they are about to stock the LMT 308. I was waiting for the SCAR Heavy, I heard so many good things about the LMT that I wanted to go with that rifle, but is the piston action, and modern appeal of the SCAR 308 worth the wait.

Some pros of each;

LMT, I've heard that it is very accurate/reliable, plus can take P-Mags. But is heavy.

SCAR, I've heard that they are also very accurate/reliable, and lightweight. But cannot use P-Mags.

I know both are gtg. I can only get 1, I'm looking for opinions.

For what it's worth, both will probably just be locked in my safe. With a few range parties over the week-end.

Still, where should I put the money, LMT or the SCAR.

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LMT also has the quick change barrel.

Why do you want a piston gun?
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LMT also has the quick change barrel.

Why do you want a piston gun?
Just had an idea the piston was more robust, but who's gonna shoot 3-400 hundred rounds of 308 without cleaning/oiling up the rifle.

I'm leaning towards the LMT.

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How much longer is the wait for the SCAR-H? Two weeks?

Get the lmt. More interchangeable parts and a damned fine rifle.
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How much longer is the wait for the SCAR-H? Two weeks?

Get the lmt. More interchangeable parts and a damned fine rifle.
They didn't know, but they said within a month.

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Saw SCAR the other day.
I'm sticking with LMT I don't like the charging handle moving around while I'm shooting.
also, piston is better for 5.56 squirt guns. 308 not shot with same frquency (ie/. Ammo costs)

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Saw SCAR the other day.
I'm sticking with LMT I don't like the charging handle moving around while I'm shooting.
also, piston is better for 5.56 squirt guns. 308 not shot with same frquency (ie/. Ammo costs)


He is correct. SCAR is more expensive and LMT parts are more readily available. Lot of SCAR parts are proprietary. Lots of plastic-- for a lot of money. However, if you had to carry one all day or for several weeks, the SCAR becames a beauty queen because ounces equal pounds and pounds equals pain. I love the LMT to shoot but I would hate to carry one for an extended period of time.

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Can the two even be accurately compared yet? The SCAR-H isn't officially out yet in the hands of civilians or wide reviewers. I say on a purchase this big wait until the H comes out.

And why is everyone crying about the charging handle??? Don't put your hand there. The slide on your handgun moves. I don't hear anyone crying about that.
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Can the two even be accurately compared yet? The SCAR-H isn't officially out yet in the hands of civilians or wide reviewers. I say on a purchase this big wait until the H comes out.

And why is everyone crying about the charging handle??? Don't put your hand there. The slide on your handgun moves. I don't hear anyone crying about that.
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not even close, get the scar 17s. its already shipping in non-commy states. ive seen it for as low as $2300. as soon as it is available, im all over it. go to fn forums and check it for yourself. just waiting for the bullet button and stock lock to make it cal legal. oh yeah, and c products is making a 25 round mag for it too.

1. its way lighter
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3. special forces are selling their sisters into prostitution for one
4. its fabrique national, they supply nearly 70% of all military weapons.
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I have to ask: what's wrong with the Rock River Arms LAR-8? I've seen good reviews of them. Is there something I don't know?
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I think the SCAR is going out like the XM8 in the next couple of years sure there will be a following I think the ACR has more of a future out of the two. I read the only way to save the program would be to make a hybrid SCAR L and H receiver according to defense review. Anyways the only thing that I would be worried about is the availability of parts in the future.

In MW2 the SCAR pwns and it looks cool but in real world the LMT seems to me as the clear winner. It beat out the HK 417 in accuracy and military combat field reliability tests done by the Brits I don't know who else was a player in the tests. Also the LMT has the quick change barrels and are planning on having a few more caliber choices to go with it did I mention you can use Pmags with the LMT too.

DI is not totally inferior to a piston anyways(In this case LMT beat the HK in reliability) just ask Noveske what he thinks the only advantage a piston gun has is when suppressing a SBR but there are ways around that don't include a piston AR. Nine times out of ten a FTF is because of some other issue that could be because of your own fault in the form of non existent preventative maintenance. I heard someone put it this way do you consider doing a PM on your car as going to a car wash. How many of people do you know that when they clean their rifles actually inspect their parts for damage or excessive wear like a car mechanic would if you took it to a shop and not a car wash. Some of the most common problems with FTF in a DI AR or anything else in most cases are bad magazines dud or crappy ammo bad gas rings or a weak extractor spring or buffer spring no lube or by owning a residential quality AR. Don't get me wrong I love and think highly of my M6A3 but it just is not as extensively tested as the DI AR I don't know if I'm going to have piston related problems in the future like carrier tilt ect. I doubt it IDK.

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In MW2 the SCAR pwns and it looks cool
Are you kidding? Are you 12?

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Seriously. Everyone knows the SCAR-H is the worst assault rifle offered in MW2. Even the TAR-21 performs better- that's how lame that game's developers are.

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Seriously. Everyone knows the SCAR-H is the worst assault rifle offered in MW2. Even the TAR-21 performs better- that's how lame that game's developers are.

The tar-21 is a POS and if you now how to use it, the SCAR is the one to use although ive found the cycle rate of the M4 more to my liking lol.

The new .308 PMAGS will not work in the Scar-H. A big booo for me. The Scar is more proven than the LMT as well as being a new rifle not an adaptation of an existing design. It has more features, folding/adjustable stock, piston as well as having a quick change barrel.

Word has it also they may have a kit to turn the H into the L........
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Seriously. Everyone knows the SCAR-H is the worst assault rifle offered in MW2. Even the TAR-21 performs better- that's how lame that game's developers are.

ROFL

Don't forget the ACR... it has 0 recoil.... oh and the Barret 50 BMG can't kill in one shot. ;/
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I have to ask: what's wrong with the Rock River Arms LAR-8? I've seen good reviews of them. Is there something I don't know?
Yea,they aren't as high quality as the LMT. RRA in general is middle of the road at best quality wise.
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Yea,they aren't as high quality as the LMT. RRA in general is middle of the road at best quality wise.
I agree with this BUT I have seen RETARDEDly tight groups of a LAR-8 on snipershide.com .

Then again, the LMT is super cool, super cool, accurate with a CLd barrel, reliable as hell, takes SR-25 mags, etc.

I really like the reliablility part.


The FN SCAR-17S is very cool as well. Its lighter, its super accurate (all FN rifles seem to be), reliable, and its different than an AR.


If it were me, I would buy the LMT. I really love ARs and I love SR-25s even more, and this is the closest thing to a SR-25 but IMHO its better.

I also would like a SCAR just for fun, but that aint gonna happen for a while if ever.
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I have to ask: what's wrong with the Rock River Arms LAR-8? I've seen good reviews of them. Is there something I don't know?
Bushmaster licensed the design of their BAR-10 to RRA, which released it as the LAR-8.

IIRC some LAR-8 owners have had issues with some FAL mags (was it with older, beat-up mags?) and feeding issues.
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SCAR, I've heard that they are also very accurate/reliable, and lightweight. But cannot use P-Mags.
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So I was talking guns at the local gun store, and they told me they are about to stock the LMT 308. I was waiting for the SCAR Heavy, I heard so many good things about the LMT that I wanted to go with that rifle, but is the piston action, and modern appeal of the SCAR 308 worth the wait.

Some pros of each;

LMT, I've heard that it is very accurate/reliable, plus can take P-Mags. But is heavy.

SCAR, I've heard that they are also very accurate/reliable, and lightweight. But cannot use P-Mags.

I know both are gtg. I can only get 1, I'm looking for opinions.

For what it's worth, both will probably just be locked in my safe. With a few range parties over the week-end.

Still, where should I put the money, LMT or the SCAR.

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Who cares about whether or not it can take P mags? They're both great rifles. I would buy the SCAR.
It's not a big problem, but P-Mags have proven themselves in being a very reliable magazine.

And since most feeding problems could be traced to a bad magazine, I'm just saying.

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It's not a big problem, but P-Mags have proven themselves in being a very reliable magazine.

And since most feeding problems could be traced to a bad magazine, I'm just saying.

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For me the cost would be the only issue. If they turn out to be 50 dollar mags with little after-market support it will put a damper on things.

Pmags IMHO would be the way to go. Too bad FNH didnt get the memo that DPMS/KAC style mags were the way to go in 308, 7.62 NATO.
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I have to go with the SCAR H.

I've had the luxury of beating the **** out of a SCAR H, one of 6 dealer samples in the country...
It has various barrel sizes that are very easy to swap, the stock folds, adjustable gas, side charging, easily disassembled.

It is VERY, VERY, smooth operating when in full auto. It's manageable.
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SOCOM tested both the regular SCAR and H model. Several of the stocks broke and the also cancelled the program.
I am staying with LMT 308 for now
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SCAR being deployed? Do you have a source?

Program got cancelled and fielded SCAR will be recalled IIRC
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SCAR being deployed? Do you have a source?

Program got cancelled and fielded SCAR will be recalled IIRC

You're incorrect.

The SCAR 17 is and has been...and will continue to be used.
They canceled the SCAR 16's and upped the SCAR 17's....they will be going strictly with the 17.
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Program got cancelled and fielded SCAR will be recalled IIRC
I believe the SCAR-L was canceled and their still testing the SCAR-H. I really wanted a SCAR-L or ACR when they came out but I'm going to wait to see what happens and I'm swinging to the LMT even if it has about a 1.5lb weight penalty vs the SCAR-H.

I still don't know why people think a piston is like an added feature that is so far superior to DI how many of you have seriously had problems with a DI gun if you did it was probably your own fault BTW this isn't directed at you lehn20.
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Scar H is def out there and in use. Border patrol and private contractors are also using them.
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SCAR program was cancelled due to costs, not due to any sort of design failure.

In case you haven't noticed, we are in a recession and defense budgets are getting slashed.
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I'm just going to put this in here..

The title was misleading on the article, and most apparently read only the title...

SOCOM MK-16 canceled ~ NOT MK-17

SOCOM will use the funds originally for Mk16's to buy Mk17's instead. That's NOT canceled!
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From what I've heard, the SCAR L (5.56), was put on hold because the M4/M16 can still fill most of the needs of Combat soldiers.

The Military is looking for a 308/7.62x51 rifle, The AR-10/SCAR H are being tested for that role.

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From what I've heard, the SCAR L (5.56), was put on hold because the M4/M16 can still fill most of the needs of Combat

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Pretty much. The SCAR L and M4, though different, still fire a 5.56, still have the same range, and both have the same effect on the target. So, SOCOM decided on the 17 instead. However, we still may see other places picking up the 17.
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Good copy, I knew I had some of it right

Still doesn't change the fact that the SOCOM guys are braking the SCAR-H stocks though.
I would still take a nice FAL over the SCAR.

Don't forget the HK417 is being renamed and coming out for civilians also.......
I will take the LMT 308 though..
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I would say go Hk mr762.

I would not waste money on a SCAR anything. They truely have nothing to offer me.

LMT is not a bad rifle at all.

If it has to be between the two go LMT.
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The Scar to me is hideous. It looks like one of those Subarus or Avalanches with the plastic all over the sides. Again, this is a strictly aesthetic complaint.
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Still doesn't change the fact that the SOCOM guys are braking the SCAR-H stocks though.
I would still take a nice FAL over the SCAR.
Is this being out of your heinie or do you have proof?

This BS about stuff being plastic so not to be trusted is just that... BS. Glocks, XD's, M&P's, magazines, pistol grips, stocks are all polymer.
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Technique is correct, the Mk. 16 is being discontinued for use at the moment but the Mk. 17s are still going strong.

SEALs are still being issued both today though.
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