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Do I need some sort of proof of training? If so, where do I go for it? Hoping Bret Daniels gets elected Sheriff of Sac County.
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found this:

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As far as I know this is still up to date, but it is some time since I collated that page. Please let me know if there's anything that's been updated, or needs to be updated.

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You sue.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...s_v._McGinness
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Try applying first.
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You need a really good cause. Some people on http://www.calccw.com/ have recently been approved. Generally, your idea of your good cause should not be posted publicly, get an expert like Billy Jack or CCWinstructor to review it via email or PM.
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You need a really good cause. Some people on http://www.calccw.com/ have recently been approved. Generally, your idea of your good cause should not be posted publicly, get an expert like Billy Jack or CCWinstructor to review it via email or PM.
Paul what you and I consider good cause and what they consider good cause is two very different things.
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Paul what you and I consider good cause and what they consider good cause is two very different things.
Good cause = "I want a CCW permit to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense".

If you live in Sacramento County, go apply.
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If it was a matter of apply and obtain, why sue?
Standing, if you are denied and decide to sue.
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Move out of Sacramento County.....
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Try:

http://www.sacsheriff.com/forms/docu...app_letter.pdf
http://www.sacsheriff.com/forms/docu...cw_process.pdf
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Not trying to rehash things, but I wanted clarification on this and its current status:

• No permitted weapon is allowed within 1,000 feet of any school grounds.
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Not trying to rehash things, but I wanted clarification on this and its current status:

• No permitted weapon is allowed within 1,000 feet of any school grounds.
Sheriffs have been getting by with this kind of stuff for a while but I'm not at all sure that the restriction you singled out can stand up in court (but do you want to be the test case?). Since state law allows carry in a GFSZ I'd think it would pre-empt the sheriff. Also, I don't think the sheriff has anything in the authorizing legislation which says they can restrict carry location - just the issuing.

OK, I could be wrong as IANAL.

But the real reason I'm responding is that if someone gets their Sacramento CCW license and that restriction is still officially in place - I'd like them to ask the issuing authority to give you a map showing all the GFSZ's in Sacramento County.
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Sheriffs have been getting by with this kind of stuff for a while but I'm not at all sure that the restriction you singled out can stand up in court (but do you want to be the test case?). Since state law allows carry in a GFSZ I'd think it would pre-empt the sheriff. Also, I don't think the sheriff has anything in the authorizing legislation which says they can restrict carry location - just the issuing.

OK, I could be wrong as IANAL.

But the real reason I'm responding is that if someone gets their Sacramento CCW license and that restriction is still officially in place - I'd like them to ask the issuing authority to give you a map showing all the GFSZ's in Sacramento County.
Why would you want to have knowledge of the gun free school zones in Sacramento County? You know that PC12050 licenses, regardless of the restrictions, exempt you from 626.9, correct?
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Why would you want to have knowledge of the gun free school zones in Sacramento County? You know that PC12050 licenses, regardless of the restrictions, exempt you from 626.9, correct?
It would be very polite harassment of the issuing authority. If they tell me that I can't go into the GFSZ's, then they can at least tell me where they are. If they won't tell me where they are and get me a map with that information then I'd politely ask them to put it into writing that they wouldn't give me the information required to follow that restriction.

Also, there is a distinction which must be made. The Sheriff is not saying that they will be prosecuted for straying into a GFSZ, he is saying that the CCW license will be revoked. I believe the sheriff can revoke the license. I may have legal recourse if they revoke my license, but until Sykes, Peruta, Peterson, and/or maybe even Rothery are settled I'm not so sure that I'd do all that well in court.

Fortunately, my sheriff doesn't put that particular kind of restriction on the license. (Issues about unregistered firearms but not about locations of carry).
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Sheriffs have been getting by with this kind of stuff for a while but I'm not at all sure that the restriction you singled out can stand up in court (but do you want to be the test case?).
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Also, I don't think the sheriff has anything in the authorizing legislation which says they can restrict carry location - just the issuing.
Sadly, the issuing agency can indeed make such a restriction...if the restriction is "reasonable" and "indicated on" the license.

PC12050 (b) A license may include any reasonable restrictions or
conditions which the issuing authority deems warranted, including
restrictions as to the time, place, manner, and circumstances under
which the person may carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm
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Sadly, the issuing agency can indeed make such a restriction...if the restriction is "reasonable" and "indicated on" the license.

PC12050 (b) A license may include any reasonable restrictions or
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I believe you're absolutely correct.

But I think that "reasonable" may not fit with a restriction on carrying in a GFSZ since that is clearly permitted by law.

I think "reasonable" might be something that says that because of my particular circumstances or training that there is a particular area in which I should not be carrying. It might be a little difficult to claim that a blanket prohibition on carrying in a location which is clearly permitted by law is "reasonable".

I suspect that once "strict scrutiny" is established that there will be very little of this nonsense coming from CCW issuing authorities.
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Wildhawker has posted all 3 things that Sheriff McGinness wants you to read. FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE outlined. I've heard of several CCW's being issued in Sacramento County in the past few months, so they ARE issuing them.
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Wildhawker has posted all 3 things that Sheriff McGinness wants you to read. FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE outlined. I've heard of several CCW's being issued in Sacramento County in the past few months, so they ARE issuing them.
Issuing is not in question. There is always an approval. But to whom? That's dogma in its self.
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Issuing is not in question. There is always an approval. But to whom? That's dogma in its self.
It is important to know what you are talking about before posting. Do you have some inside information about CCW issuance in Sacramento that causes you to believe that they are not being issued for relatively straight forward "good cause?"
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It is my *personal* perception that Sykes has John McGinness relaxing momentarily on CCW restrictions as a CYA maneuver. Go ahead and apply. You fill out the form, then call April to schedule an appointment. Some Thursday in the future, you will go in for an oral interview. Bring the form and a $20 MO. You will then be contacted by a Detective, then you will receive a written denial or permit in the mail. Cannot hurt to try.
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It is my *personal* perception that Sykes has John McGinness relaxing momentarily on CCW restrictions as a CYA maneuver. Go ahead and apply. You fill out the form, then call April to schedule an appointment. Some Thursday in the future, you will go in for an oral interview. Bring the form and a $20 MO. You will then be contacted by a Detective, then you will receive a written denial or permit in the mail. Cannot hurt to try.
Go ahead and call to make the appointment. The person never seems to never answer the phone or clear the mail box so you cant leave a message.My neighbor has been tring tro get an appointment for a couple months now.
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Go ahead and call to make the appointment. The person never seems to never answer the phone or clear the mail box so you cant leave a message.My neighbor has been tring tro get an appointment for a couple months now.
Then have them apply by filling out the app and send it into them Certified Mail Return Receipt Requested.
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Then have them apply by filling out the app and send it into them Certified Mail Return Receipt Requested.
My understanding is that it has to be turned in in person.
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Then have them apply by filling out the app and send it into them Certified Mail Return Receipt Requested.
you have to call between certain hours on thursday if I remember right and make an appointment to bring it in.
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you have to call between certain hours on thursday if I remember right and make an appointment to bring it in.
Where is it stated that you have to call between certain hours on Thursday? Sounds like FUD
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Is Sac County one of the counties that makes you pay up front and then keeps your money if they deny you?
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Is Sac County one of the counties that makes you pay up front and then keeps your money if they deny you?
I doubt any of the 58 counties will be collecting beyond those limits allowed by law in the not too distant future...
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Is Sac County one of the counties that makes you pay up front and then keeps your money if they deny you?
Actually no, they only ask for $20 up front. I question the additional funds beyond the $95 DOJ Background check requirement.
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Are you saying we should apply with "self defense" or something close to that at this time or was that just for the OP? I'm also in Sac County and want a CCW.
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Are you saying we should apply with "self defense" or something close to that at this time or was that just for the OP? I'm also in Sac County and want a CCW.
Ditto this.

I've heard if you are denied it can hurt your chances of getting a CCW in the future. If that is true, I would rather just wait until my odds are better...
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Ditto this.

I've heard if you are denied it can hurt your chances of getting a CCW in the future. If that is true, I would rather just wait until my odds are better...
Applying and being denied for lack of "good cause" will not hurt your case. You will either be issued or you will not. If not you have the option to sue or wait for resolution of Sykes. If we get a positive outcome from Sykes then the good cause requirement will be removed and your previous denial will be irrelevant.

But, a denied application will help Sykes because the Sheriff will have to account for why people are being denied. What happens currently is they tell people to not apply because they will get denied and it's expensive etc. This tactic keeps people from applying and therefore artificially inflates their granted:denied permits ratio.
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Ditto this.

I've heard if you are denied it can hurt your chances of getting a CCW in the future. If that is true, I would rather just wait until my odds are better...
Denials for reasons other than prohibited person status triggers will not be an issue post-McDonald and really isn't one right now.
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Yes.
Is this recommended only for Sacto county or all counties? I would very much like to apply in San Mateo county if it is so advised (and the $1M insurance policy is no longer required.)
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Is this recommended only for Sacto county or all counties? I would very much like to apply in San Mateo county if it is so advised (and the $1M insurance policy is no longer required.)
My comments were directed at Lone_Gunman and residents of Sacramento County; you will very likely soon find the liability insurance no longer a prerequisite to CCW in SMCo.
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What about in Santa Cruz? This might be the most liberal county per capita of all, and if I remember the CCW map, we were a red zone. Should I get some kind of training before I apply, might that better my chances?

What about listing various crimes that have occurred recently (for example, there have been a number of high-profile stabbings and shootings here in town) either on the form or during the interview, as a reason to bolster the self-defense argument? What about bringing up the UOC ban, saying that CCW is the only option now?
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What about in Santa Cruz? This might be the most liberal county per capita of all, and if I remember the CCW map, we were a red zone. Should I get some kind of training before I apply, might that better my chances?

What about listing various crimes that have occurred recently (for example, there have been a number of high-profile stabbings and shootings here in town) either on the form or during the interview, as a reason to bolster the self-defense argument? What about bringing up the UOC ban, saying that CCW is the only option now?
not to get off topic by switching counties here but i would realy like to know more about santa cruz county. i have been under the impression like others to continue to wait as a deny could hinder you in the future. i know this thread has been directed at sac county but is this drive to apply aimed at all red counties. by applying are we simply make a stance for the future.
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