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Old 12-29-2009, 2:46 PM
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Default Berretta shoots low.

New member here, hoping some of you gurus have a fix for me.

I have a Berretta 96 INOX in .40 that suddenly started shooting low. (I'd say 4-5 low @ 10 yds.)

It has not been dropped, and I don't know what the problem is.

Anybody ever experience this or have any ideas of what could be causing this?

Where is a good gunsmith for Berretta's in San Diego area?

Thanks in advance.
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Guns that shoot low are frequently operator error. If a shooter anticipates the recoil, they frequently drop their wrist resulting in a gun that shoots several inches low at close distances. You might want to try letting an experienced hand gun shooter give it a try.
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No it's not me. I should have mentioned that I've had this gun for some time.

While I wouldn't claim to be the most accurate marksman on this board, I'm proficient enough to know that the sights are off.
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try benching it to see if its user error...

I had my PX4 at the range last night and it was doing the same thing.. i said the same thing "Its me, im doing something wrong" (takes time getting used to a beretta trigger)... so i benched it, and it shot bulls everytime.
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You said you've had it for a long time, not sure if you have been shooting often but I understand shooting is a highly perishable skill if you don't continue practicing. Have someone pull the trigger while you aim.
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Hi

Unless you've installed some custom sights, your gun should have standard fixed 3 dot or factory 3 dot night sights.

4" or 5" inches low (or high) for that matter is huge at 10 yards. Like several others have mentioned a new set of eyes and hands shooting the gun would be helpful.

I wouldn't spend a dime on a Beretta gun smith (BTW I don't know of one in the San Diego area) before I'd let another competent shooter run a mag or two thru your gun. Heck if you want, I'm willing to help. I've been shooting the 92 series of Beretta's since 1985. PM me.

Don't feel slighted.

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I haven't been shooting as often as I used to, so my first thought was operator error also. (Actually it was more like "Oh my god, I suck! I couldn't hit water if I shot out of a freaking boat!")

But I can still hit decent groupings with my other guns, so I'm pretty sure something's out of whack. (besides me, that is)

I'm going to go to the range and bench-rest it and have someone else see if they get the same results, but I thought maybe somebody else on here may have experienced this.
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Have you changed up on the ammo you're using? Going from 160gr to 180gr or vice versa? This will change all the dynamics and with it your accuracy. If all things else are constant, ie ammo, your skill level, etc and things have changed that drastically, there's something not right mechanically with the pistol. Slide wear, barrel wear, recoil/trigger spring wear are all possibilities. I can recommend a good gunsmith in N. San Diego County if you get to that point, PM me and I'll send you his number. HTH c good
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I'll shoot it for you and it'll hit right dead on.
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Hey whipkiller. Welcome to CGN.

Don't mind Gregdawg and his one-liners. Just consider it part of the overall CGN experience.

As for the pistol suddenly shooting that low at relatively close range (and you saying that the pistol has not been dropped or damaged), I'd suspect the shooter as well. You're doing the right thing by benching it and allowing a different shooter to group with it. It will at least rule out operator error.

Other than that, as mentioned, perhaps you're shooting a different kind of ammo (higher velocity?). It shouldn't account for 5" at 10 yds., however. That's pretty significant.

Good luck, and let us know what you find.
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Hey whipkiller. Welcome to CGN.

Don't mind Gregdawg and his one-liners. Just consider it part of the overall CGN experience.

As for the pistol suddenly shooting that low at relatively close range (and you saying that the pistol has not been dropped or damaged), I'd suspect the shooter as well. You're doing the right thing by benching it and allowing a different shooter to group with it. It will at least rule out operator error.

Other than that, as mentioned, perhaps you're shooting a different kind of ammo (higher velocity?). It shouldn't account for 5" at 10 yds., however. That's pretty significant.

Good luck, and let us know what you find.
Hey, thanks for the welcome. Lots of good info on here.

Yeah I'd suspect me too, (that was my first thought) except it's just this gun.

I went shooting a few weeks ago with some friends and shot multiple guns and had no problems except with my Berretta.

My old Ruger P95 9mm that I sold to my friend - No problem
My Sig P239 9mm that I haven't had very long - No problem
Buddies Ruger P89 9mm - No problem
Another buddies brand new Sig .45 that I've NEVER shot - No problem
My Ruger .22LR MKII - No problem

My Berretta - Directly below my aimpoint every time.

I'll just have to go to the range and get clinical on a bench.

I'll let you know what I find out.

If you guys see a "Berretta for sale" ad from me in the near future you should probably ask to test fire it.
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Hey, thanks for the welcome. Lots of good info on here.

Yeah I'd suspect me too, (that was my first thought) except it's just this gun.

I went shooting a few weeks ago with some friends and shot multiple guns and had no problems except with my Berretta.

My old Ruger P95 9mm that I sold to my friend - No problem
My Sig P239 9mm that I haven't had very long - No problem
Buddies Ruger P89 9mm - No problem
Another buddies brand new Sig .45 that I've NEVER shot - No problem
My Ruger .22LR MKII - No problem

My Berretta - Directly below my aimpoint every time.

I'll just have to go to the range and get clinical on a bench.

I'll let you know what I find out.

If you guys see a "Berretta for sale" ad from me in the near future you should probably ask to test fire it.
Dude, you can THINK of the target and hit bulls with it all day long...

I think your just not adapted to the trigger very well, i pull my beretta PX4 down while im shooting it.. and I'm all over the place with mt 92FS.. Those other guns you listed dont have the same type of triggers. On the Berettas, your pulling that trigger back pretty far... your hand is moving ALOT
my .02 thats why i think you should bench it
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Whipkiller, FWIW I posted a thread in here not long ago detailing a similar problem with my beretta 92fs. In my case I felt it was shooting low and to the left. I've only had the gun for six months and bought it used. When I bought it, it had a scratch on the front of the barrel as though someone had dropped it or dragged it on the ground, muzzle first. I thought it might just be a cosmetic flaw which I was fine with, but when it didn't shoot well for me, I wanted to blame the scratch and the possibility that the barrel was bent (however minutely).

Like you, I have plenty of other handguns which I hit the black just fine with, but the beretta just seemed to be always low and to the left.

After the responses I got on my thread, I'm not ready to give up on the gun just yet, and plan to bench it on my next trip to the range. Hopefully I'll be able to diagnose whether it's the gun or me.
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shooting diffrent guns sometimes doesnt prove to be another gun error. If the Sig and Ruger shoots fine, it could be that they fit your hands better then the Beretta. A small change can effect the shot, but this will be ruled out only after you bench your pistol.
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make sure your slide isnt cracked at the breech face.
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Like everybody has said, it is probably you. It does not matter if you have a lot of guns that you shoot well, you're shooting the Beretta wrong.
A trigger is not a trigger, is not a trigger... They ain't all the same in pull, creep, etc... Each one is unique in itself.
For example with my USP9 I sometimes shoot 1" left. I'll then trade guns with a buddy and shoot his G17 poi/poa 100%. He in turn would shoot my USP9 100% poi/poa which highlights my error in shooting on my own pistol.
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Old 12-30-2009, 7:31 AM
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Like everybody has said, it is probably you. It does not matter if you have a lot of guns that you shoot well, you're shooting the Beretta wrong.
A trigger is not a trigger, is not a trigger... They ain't all the same in pull, creep, etc... Each one is unique in itself.
For example with my USP9 I sometimes shoot 1" left. I'll then trade guns with a buddy and shoot his G17 poi/poa 100%. He in turn would shoot my USP9 100% poi/poa which highlights my error in shooting on my own pistol.
The first step to improvement is aknowledging that it might in fact be you that need fixing.
You guys could be right, it just seems strange that I would shoot this gun proficiently for 6 or 7 years and then suddenly develop this bad habit with only this gun.

I ain't saying it ain't me, as I do have my moments of retardation, but they're usually somewhat temporary. (no matter what my wife and friends might tell you.)
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Stop staring at the target...you should see a clear front site tip.
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Stop staring at the target...you should see a clear front site tip.
^ My thoughts exactly. Practice good follow-through. Focus on the front sight and watch it rise after the shot. Being in a hurry to see where your bullet struck the target will lead to low shots.
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Eh- I'm trying to figure out how to post pics on my iPhone to responses in the thread.
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Alright! It worked!

Anyway, that scratch is what I was talkng about in an earlier thread.
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just a thought

are you properly "driving the dots"

that low at 10 yards is quite a bit
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Is it a regular 96FS Inox with a fixed front sight? That means for it to be shooting low, the rear sight had to be LOWERED (not sure how on a fixed rear sight).

5" low at 10 yards is a lot. With only the rear sight that's able to be adjusted since the front is fixed, I would have to conclude it's the shooter and not the gun.
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Actually, the rear sight has to be raised to compensate for shooting low. Either that, or he has to take a file to the front sight and lower it a bit. That's assuming it's not shooter error, of course.
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Actually, the rear sight has to be raised to compensate for shooting low. Either that, or he has to take a file to the front sight and lower it a bit. That's assuming it's not shooter error, of course.
But of course. I meant the rear sight had to be lowered for it to all of a suddden shoot low, implying that it's not possible for a fixed rear sight to go any lower to make a 5" difference at 10 yards.
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But of course. I meant the rear sight had to be lowered for it to all of a suddden shoot low, implying that it's not possible for a fixed rear sight to go any lower to make a 5" difference at 10 yards.
Ah, got it. Read twice, post once.
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I had this same problem with the VERY same gun.

Operator error.
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That scratch is not the culprit!
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Have you had someone else, proficient with handguns, shoot it since the problem started to occur? Maybe you should ask the guys on Berettaforum.net also. There's a guy with the handle Ben Stoeger that shoots competitively and even has a post showing his collection of Berettas that he's shot hundreds of thousands of rounds through and replaced all kinds of parts due to wear and tear. You should try to PM him. Maybe he can help you with the problem as it may be hardware but also software.

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Low left is textbook trigger jerk. But since it's not...

A folding chair is an awful rest. Try something solid. I used the plastic tables they have at ASC & got not much better than unrested because of the wobble. Put a sandbag on it and got MUCH better results.

Have you changed ammo? Velocity will affect POI. Slower rounds will generally print high and faster rounds low. Time in the barrel & whatnot. Your sights are probly regulated for the military round, whatever weight/velocity that is.

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Have you had someone else, proficient with handguns, shoot it since the problem started to occur? Maybe you should ask the guys on Berettaforum.net also. There's a guy with the handle Ben Stoeger that shoots competitively and even has a post showing his collection of Berettas that he's shot hundreds of thousands of rounds through and replaced all kinds of parts due to wear and tear. You should try to PM him. Maybe he can help you with the problem as it may be hardware but also software.

http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=60950
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you might try shooting it left handed...it access the right side of the brain...if it is the gun, it will shoot to the same point
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If shooting low, can you just file the front sight down? As I understand, the front sight is part of the slide on a beretta, so I don't know what a gunsmith will do different?
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I'm hoping I don't have to start filing on such a pretty gun. I'm thinking something must be worn out, or sloppy, or something.
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