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Old 05-21-2009, 10:06 AM
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Exclamation ♦♦ How NOT to get Arrested for your OLL!!!! ♦♦

Mods, please move to appropriate forum. I posted here because many NEW users do not visit the 2A forum.

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As a Board Member of the CGF, I get the dubious pleasure of hearing about arrests and gun confiscations. Many of these do not make it onto the forum. There are not too many, but there are still enough that it is troubling to me.

While there have been no successful OLL prosecutions, I think that people should still exercise common sense with respect to their OLLs.

The arrests and confiscations are falling into a pattern.

1) A NEW gun owner does something to bring himself to the attention of LE.

2) LE either arrests the new gun owner, or takes his OLL and starts an investigation.

Here is some advice for new shooters:

1) DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE.

This isn't meant to be anti-LEO, but is simply common sense. Most police in the state do not even know what an OLL is. Don't ask them about OLLs, don't talk to them about OLLs. What is simply an OLL to you is an AW to them.

More experienced Calgunners, who have existing relationships with LE, should of course work to educate LE.

2) DO NOT DO THINGS TO BRING ATTENTION TO YOURSELF.

Again, this is common sense, and has been posted about ad nauseum. But I will repeat it. Do not drive around with a broken windshield, do not speed. Keep your car or truck clean. BWO has an excellent thread on this topic.

3) MAKE SURE YOUR OLL IS LEGAL.

Read the flowchart. Understand it. Do not configure your rifle in a way that is illegal.

Again, these are all common sense, but I think that some new gun owners are so excited about getting their first OLL that they kind of lose sight of common sense.

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Excellent advice and to your point of DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE, I suggest if you (people reading this thread) haven't watched this video on YouTube (Don't Talk to Police), take 45 minutes out of your life and watch it. NOW!
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Excellent advice and to your point of DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE, I suggest if you (people reading this thread) haven't watched this video on YouTube (Don't Talk to Police), take 45 minutes out of your life and watch it. NOW!
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Excellent advice and to your point of DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE, I suggest if you (people reading this thread) haven't watched this video on YouTube (Don't Talk to Police), take 45 minutes out of your life and watch it. NOW!
Sorry for late replay/question. Just found this thread.

With police it is understood, it was very valuable link which brought me to see more of this kind. However, question is, should i do same with rangers/DFG wardens?

I ask this question since last yer we were stopped on public road in Red Bluff area. He was very nice, he asked if he could see ID, if he could inspect the car. So we ended up loosing 2 hours and a pair of pants (he took them to make "Investigation" because he thought there was a blood stain), and all our belongings were trashed. Nothing was documented, no citation was issued and when i called the DFG no records were left.
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Great points as simple as they may seem.

I understand the excitement and wanting to rush right into it all, but take your time, and like I've said before, read, read read all that you can, this forum has so much knowledge on it, it's amazing. Buy your parts and keep reading while waiting for them to come in. In the DROS period, keep reading, understand the laws and WHY they are that way. Keep yourself protected. Print out the flow chart and other important defense documents and keep with your weapons at all times.

If there's one thing I learned when dealing with OLL is that it comes with a lot of responsibility, more than you would think at first.
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I understand the excitement and wanting to rush right into it all, but take your time, and like I've said before, read, read read all that you can, this forum has so much knowledge on it, it's amazing. Buy your parts and keep reading while waiting for them to come in. In the DROS period, keep reading, understand the laws and WHY they are that way. Keep yourself protected. Print out the flow chart and other important defense documents and keep with your weapons at all times.

If there's one thing I learned when dealing with OLL is that it comes with a lot of responsibility, more than you would think at first.
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That's what I did, I took my time, seen what others were doing, read up on it over and over and then did my first build last year.

Can never have enough information.

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Great points as simple as they may seem.

I understand the excitement and wanting to rush right into it all, but take your time, and like I've said before, read, read read all that you can, this forum has so much knowledge on it, it's amazing. Buy your parts and keep reading while waiting for them to come in. In the DROS period, keep reading, understand the laws and WHY they are that way. Keep yourself protected. Print out the flow chart and other important defense documents and keep with your weapons at all times.

If there's one thing I learned when dealing with OLL is that it comes with a lot of responsibility, more than you would think at first.
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thats some of the best advice too, i did exactly that. its amazing how many folks even at your local range or shooting spot have no clue what the laws are. educate as many people as you can as well as your self and the mistakes made will be lessened.

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Great points as simple as they may seem.

I understand the excitement and wanting to rush right into it all, but take your time, and like I've said before, read, read read all that you can, this forum has so much knowledge on it, it's amazing. Buy your parts and keep reading while waiting for them to come in. In the DROS period, keep reading, understand the laws and WHY they are that way. Keep yourself protected. Print out the flow chart and other important defense documents and keep with your weapons at all times.

If there's one thing I learned when dealing with OLL is that it comes with a lot of responsibility, more than you would think at first.
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From everything that I have read about OLL, I have gathered that it IS legal as long as :
1) the lower is not on the "list", i.e. legal to own in CA.
2) barrel length at least 16".
3) CAN have the pistol grip (with 16" Barrel and mag lock device, & 10 rnd mags).
4) CAN have a collapsible stock (with 16" Barrel and mag lock device, & 10 rnd mags).
5) Semi Auto only.
6) Flash Hider OK (with 16" Barrel and mag lock device, & 10 rnd mags)

Is there anything that I am missing?

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From everything that I have read about OLL, I have gathered that it IS legal as long as :
1) the lower is not on the "list", i.e. legal to own in CA.
2) barrel length at least 16".
3) CAN have the pistol grip (with 16" Barrel and mag lock device, & 10 rnd mags).
4) CAN have a collapsible stock (with 16" Barrel and mag lock device, & 10 rnd mags).
5) Semi Auto only.
6) Flash Hider OK (with 16" Barrel and mag lock device, & 10 rnd mags)

Is there anything that I am missing?

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That seems like a good summary to me. Doesn't seem like you're missing anything.
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From everything that I have read about OLL, I have gathered that it IS legal as long as :
1) the lower is not on the "list", i.e. legal to own in CA.
2) barrel length at least 16".
3) CAN have the pistol grip (with 16" Barrel and mag lock device, & 10 rnd mags).
4) CAN have a collapsible stock (with 16" Barrel and mag lock device, & 10 rnd mags).
5) Semi Auto only.
6) Flash Hider OK (with 16" Barrel and mag lock device, & 10 rnd mags)

Is there anything that I am missing?

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7) Over-all length of at least 30".
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Thanks m03 for adding that! That's an important one...

7) Over-all length of at least 30".

ETA: Over-all length measured with stock fully collapsed (if collapsible stock).

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VERY timely topic, Oak. In the last 9 months or so, the sheer numbers of new & seemingly young (18-25) CG members has been staggering. And so has the near daily posts of "I know 'X' is legal in Ca., but can't I get away with 'X' & 'Y' because of how unfair it is?" I'm personally worried that all the hard work that went into making OLL's available to us will have been in vain if people don't wise the f**k up & put themselves in check real quick.
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Also, print out and keep with you the Sacremento Police Memo on OLL's and the bullet button. See my signature #3 link, click the PDF link in the first post and print the pages numbered 96-98.
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Also, print out and keep with you the Sacremento Police Memo on OLL's and the bullet button. See my signature #3 link, click the PDF link in the first post and print the pages numbered 96-98.
Where can I find this? Is it the same as the flow chart?
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Where can I find this? Is it the same as the flow chart?
Different from the flow chart. Looks like ripcurlksm changed his .sig since that post.

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Sac...2008-11-18.pdf

Added to the Calguns Foundation Wiki article on OLL.
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Also, print out and keep with you the Sacremento Police Memo on OLL's and the bullet button. See my signature #3 link, click the PDF link in the first post and print the pages numbered 96-98.
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hey can you copy the link to that sacto pd pdf?
i seem to be having trouble finding it.
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Gene has just about every important file hosted here, http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/

And the Sac PD OLL memo is here, http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Sac...2008-11-18.pdf
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I have a few questions and hoping that someone with the knowledge and experiences of the laws can help answering.

If your AR style rifle is completely legal in Ca, but you got in trouble with the police because of that rifle style. Will the DA continue to prosecute you, presumebly they know about that your rifle is legal? What is the chance that the DA will prosecute you? And what if they prosecute you and they can't win the case, who will pay for the attorney's fees? How much is a typical cost throughout the end?

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A good amount is knowing your sh*t. I got stopped by a LEO who didn't much know about OLL so I edjucated him, showed that the mag wasn't detachable w/o a tool and the other rifle had no pistol grip. But your best bet is too KEEP A COPY OF THE FLOWCHART WITH YOU. Being edjucated will save you lots of headaches.
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+1 on all mentioned topics. I think some people FAIL to realize how uneducated most LEO's are about OLLs. It's probably the gun show crowd that bought an AR-15 from a gun show WITHOUT doing anymore research about OLLs. Big mistake. And one more thing. If a cop pulled you over and SOME HOW found out that you had an OLL, given that he is ignorant, no amount of talking will do you any good. Just shut up and plead the fifth.
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+1 on all mentioned topics. I think some people FAIL to realize how uneducated most LEO's are about OLLs. It's probably the gun show crowd that bought an AR-15 from a gun show WITHOUT doing anymore research about OLLs. Big mistake. And one more thing. If a cop pulled you over and SOME HOW found out that you had an OLL, given that he is ignorant, no amount of talking will do you any good. Just shut up and plead the fifth.
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+1 on all mentioned topics. I think some people FAIL to realize how uneducated most LEO's are about OLLs. It's probably the gun show crowd that bought an AR-15 from a gun show WITHOUT doing anymore research about OLLs. Big mistake. And one more thing. If a cop pulled you over and SOME HOW found out that you had an OLL, given that he is ignorant, no amount of talking will do you any good. Just shut up and plead the fifth.
One thing I can say living in Sothern Cali. no matter what paperwork you're carrying around in your car don't help much. How many LEO is going to let you give them a lecture? I say none of them. Detachable mags??? When your weapon is in the trunk, and you get stopped for dumb driving and sees a visible mag or ammo bag he's going to ask you to open your trunk. If he sees your weapon without a 10 round mag attached you're going bye bye. At a private range things might be different.
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Thumbs up GREAT thread Oaklander THANKS for posting...

From my personal experience I would also like to add:

Always carry a copy of the flow chart with you everytime your OLLs leave your house.

And carry a COPY of your DROS and/or a COPY of your 4473 page 3 is best and also page 1.

Also a COPY of any reciepts that shows your OLL was purchased in CA.

Keep all this paperwork in a folder inside your LOCKED gun case.

Also in a worst case senario keep ALL original copies of the above paperwork at a family member or friends house NOT where your OLLs are stored.


P.S. Never open your locked gun case EVEN if LEOs threaten to cut the locks off... ask me how I know...

NEVER TALK TO THE COPS OR BORDER PATROL OR ANY OTHER LEO AGENCY FOR ANY REASON OTHER THAN TO SAY I WONT MAKE ANY STATEMENTS UNTIL AFTER I HAVE SPOKEN WITH MY ATTORNEY!!!
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i see now. I asked more specifically on why to lock because I do not lock long arms, but do carry the CA OLL book (link #3 in my sig) with the laws, memos, and flowchart. I do not carry any of the paperwork, because I treat all my firearms the same (EDIT: the same as, if i dont carry my receipt for my shotgun or bolt action rifle, why should I on principle do the same for OLL... just for example). Reading your post, I wanted to know more about the locking, etc. friend.
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i see now. I asked more specifically on why to lock because I do not lock long arms, but do carry the CA OLL book (link #3 in my sig) with the laws, memos, and flowchart. I do not carry any of the paperwork, because I treat all my firearms the same. Reading your post, I wanted to know more about the locking, etc. friend.
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Should you have to do it? Heck NO, but after having everything but my anal cavity searched and being threatened w/ losing my gun rights, confiscation, court, felony conviction, prison etc. I wish I had Oak, Gene, Bill and Trutanich Michel in my Pelican Case too... just saying it is much different when your freedom depends on a guy who knows squat about guns in general and then looks at your OLL like it is make out if plutonium!!!

I keep ALL my long guns AND pistols LOCKED in my Pelican 1750 case (that is in my LOCKED car trunk).

I know that by law you are not required to lock up long guns while transporting.... however if you are stopped ANYTHING in "PLAIN VIEW" YES EVEN A BOX OF BULLETS can be twisted into PC to search your vehicle for loaded weapons.

Also even a MAG from an AR or AK OLL can make a LEO go crazy and tear your car apart looking for an AW.

Again this is ALL from a real life LEO detainment so I am VERY sure of how far they will go if they want to...

Just NEVER think that they are there to uphold the Constitution... IMHO they are merely revenue agents that will pervert and destroy the BOR given even the slightest chance and yes they think they have the seal of approval to do just that.

I am not speaking for all LEOs as I have let a CHP (also a Calgunner) shoot my OLL without ever even knowing he was a LEO and he was one of the coolest guys I ever met at the range (he let me shoot his Night Hawk) but consider most will HATE the fact that you can even own such a weapon and will do everything they can to try and take it from you.

We have won the OLL war but the battle still goes on.

Again this is all from first hand experience... PLEASE be safe out there brothers.
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Should you have to do it? Heck NO, but after having everything but my anal cavity searched and being threatened w/ losing my gun rights, confiscation, court, felony conviction, prison etc. I wish I had Oak, Gene, Bill and Trutanich Michel in my Pelican Case too... just saying it is much different when your freedom depends on a guy who knows squat about guns in general and then looks at your OLL like it is make out if plutonium!!!

I keep ALL my long guns AND pistols LOCKED in my Pelican 1750 case (that is in my LOCKED car trunk).

I know that by law you are not required to lock up long guns while transporting.... however if you are stopped ANYTHING in "PLAIN VIEW" YES EVEN A BOX OF BULLETS can be twisted into PC to search your vehicle for loaded weapons.

Also even a MAG from an AR or AK OLL can make a LEO go crazy and tear your car apart looking for an AW.

Again this is ALL from a real life LEO detainment so I am VERY sure of how far they will go if they want to...

Just NEVER think that they are there to uphold the Constitution... IMHO they are merely revenue agents that will pervert and destroy the BOR given even the slightest chance and yes they think they have the seal of approval to do just that.

I am not speaking for all LEOs as I have let a CHP (also a Calgunner) shoot my OLL without ever even knowing he was a LEO and he was one of the coolest guys I ever met at the range (he let me shoot his Night Hawk) but consider most will HATE the fact that you can even own such a weapon and will do everything they can to take it from you.

We have won the OLL war but the battle still goes on.

Again this is all from first hand experience... PLEASE be safe out there brothers.
Many years back during a traffic stop an officer in Foster City Ca. observed a membership card to "Aimark" (Now Jackson Arms) and in the wallet of the driver when the driver produced his DL. The officer attempted to use that as the reason for first a consent search (denied by the driver) then for PC to search the vehicle - a supervisor was called to the scene and eventually the driver was released w/o a search, but you're correct.

A single round of ammo or a used target in plain view can get LE search juices flowing in the right (wrong) situation.
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Yes, a good tactic to use is to think like the "grey man."

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Many years back during a traffic stop an officer in Foster City Ca. observed a membership card to "Aimark" (Now Jackson Arms) and in the wallet of the driver when the driver produced his DL. The officer attempted to use that as the reason for first a consent search (denied by the driver) then for PC to search the vehicle - a supervisor was called to the scene and eventually the driver was released w/o a search, but you're correct.

A single round of ammo or a used target in plain view can get LE search juices flowing in the right (wrong) situation.
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Mods, please move to appropriate forum. I posted here because many NEW users do not visit the 2A forum.

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As a Board Member of the CGF, I get the dubious pleasure of hearing about arrests and gun confiscations. Many of these do not make it onto the forum. There are not too many, but there are still enough that it is troubling to me.

While there have been no successful OLL prosecutions, I think that people should still exercise common sense with respect to their OLLs.

The arrests and confiscations are falling into a pattern.

1) A NEW gun owner does something to bring himself to the attention of LE.

2) LE either arrests the new gun owner, or takes his OLL and starts an investigation.

Here is some advice for new shooters:

1) DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE.

This isn't meant to be anti-LEO, but is simply common sense. Most police in the state do not even know what an OLL is. Don't ask them about OLLs, don't talk to them about OLLs. What is simply an OLL to you is an AW to them.

More experienced Calgunners, who have existing relationships with LE, should of course work to educate LE.

2) DO NOT DO THINGS TO BRING ATTENTION TO YOURSELF.

Again, this is common sense, and has been posted about ad nauseum. But I will repeat it. Do not drive around with a broken windshield, do not speed. Keep your car or truck clean. BWO has an excellent thread on this topic.

3) MAKE SURE YOUR OLL IS LEGAL.

Read the flowchart. Understand it. Do not configure your rifle in a way that is illegal.

Again, these are all common sense, but I think that some new gun owners are so excited about getting their first OLL that they kind of lose sight of common sense.
One thing I remember from 37 years as a court officer reading miranda warnings 5 days a week is that most cases would never have been solved if the perps had researched miranda and followed "you have the right to remain silent" to the letter.

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One thing I remember from 37 years as a court officer reading miranda warnings 5 days a week is that most cases would never have been solved if the perps had researched miranda and followed "you have the right to remain silent" to the letter.
While I understand that "silence is golden" in many cases, I think there are certain basic questions that you must answer. You can't just always clamp up and take the 5th. Otherwise, you only raise more suspicion from the LEO.

In case of a traffic violation, the most frequently asked question right after the registration and the proof of insurance is "where are you going"...ect...Can EVEN I answer this? Or should I just take the 5th? I got pulled over several times during the course of my 30 years of driving, and I had always told them where I was going. I answered without even thinking about it. I treated it as a regular conversation without giving much thought. Heck...I even let them search my car once while I was in college. I wasn't even aware of the Fifth. Young & Ignorant at best!!!

However, now that I own guns and learn to deal with the responsibilities that come with it, I struggle to come up with a logical set of answers in the case of a pullover while transport firearms to and from the range. Let's say during a traffic stop, the LEO sees a gun case in the back of my truck. His next question would logically be: "Are you carrying firearms?" etc.... These seemingly mundane questions probably carry some kind of risk if you answer them wrongly. But I find it rather hard to believe when some of you in here suggest that I simply just take the fifth.

What I don't quite understand is this: If all your guns are legit, bought at the local gun shops, and DROSED accordingly, and that you are as clean as Snow White, what's the down side if you simly answer the question truthfully? After all if transporting legit firearms is illegal, then they should make that a law. If not, then I don't see much of a down side when you try to be cooperative with the cops to a certain degree. After all, he has a job to do, and if you're making his job tougher than it is, I don't see how he's gonna be gracious to you. Answers such as: "Yes..that's a gun case, and I'm going to/from the shooting range. And yes..those are my firearms locked and unloaded in the case" do not imply that you're breaking the laws at all.

Short of asking to see your firearms and to which I will answer "NO," I fail to see the down side of these questions. I mean, first of all, these are all legit guns, and I didn't do anything illegal. What can a LEO do?


Last but not least, I'm a newbie trying to learn as much as I can about guns and laws. Some of my questions are redundant or "stupid" if you will. But I would rather be redundant here than facing a LEO without knowing what to do or what the appropriate things to say. If you find this question has been asked a gazillion times before and you're not in a mood to answer it again, MOVE ON. No need to jump in and be a DICK. On the other hand, if you're willing to drop by and enlighten me, as always, thanks.

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While I understand that "silence is golden" in many cases, I think there are certain basic questions that you must answer. You can't just always clamp up and take the 5th. Otherwise, you only raise more suspicion from the LEO.

In case of a traffic violation, the most frequently asked question right after the registration and the proof of insurance is "where are you going"...ect...Can EVEN I answer this? Or should I just take the 5th? I got pulled over several times during the course of my 30 years of driving, and I had always told them where I was going. I answered without even thinking about it. I treated it as a regular conversation without giving much thought. Heck...I even let them search my car once while I was in college. I wasn't even aware of the Fifth. Young & Ignorant at best!!!

However, now that I own guns and learn to deal with the responsibilities that come with it, I struggle to come up with a logical set of answers in the case of a pullover while transport firearms to and from the range. Let's say during a traffic stop, the LEO sees a gun case in the back of my truck. His next question would logically be: "Are you carrying firearms?" etc.... These seemingly mundane questions probably carry some kind of risk if you answer them wrongly. But I find it rather hard to believe when some of you in here suggest that I simply just take the fifth.

What I don't quite understand is this: If all your guns are legit, bought at the local gun shops, and DROSED accordingly, and that you are as clean as Snow White, what's the down side if you simly answer the question truthfully? After all if transporting legit firearms is illegal, then they should make that a law. If not, then I don't see much of a down side when you try to be cooperative with the cops to a certain degree. After all, he has a job to do, and if you're making his job tougher than it is, I don't see how he's gonna be gracious to you. Answers such as: "Yes..that's a gun case, and I'm going to/from the shooting range. And yes..those are my firearms locked and unloaded in the case" do not imply that you're breaking the laws at all.

Short of asking to see your firearms and to which I will answer "NO," I fail to see the down side of these questions. I mean, first of all, these are all legit guns, and I didn't do anything illegal. What can a LEO do?


Last but not least, I'm a newbie trying to learn as much as I can about guns and laws. Some of my questions are redundant or "stupid" if you will. But I would rather be redundant here than facing a LEO without knowing what to do or what the appropriate things to say. If you find this question has been asked a gazillion times before and you're not in a mood to answer it again, MOVE ON. No need to jump in and be a DICK. On the other hand, if you're willing to drop by and enlighten me, as always, thanks.
I would love to hear about this aswell.
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I have a couple newby questions: (1) I am going to pick up my first OLL for my first AR-15 on Saturday and will be driving across town with it. If I decide to ask the in-store gunsmith to assemble my LPK, And I have brought along my upper to have the smith make sure everything fits together well, do I need to have the lower in a locked case if the upper and lower are separated? I will be purchasing magazines at the store and have them in the car as well.
(2) What advice do you have for taking the completed BB equipped weapon as checked luggage (i.e. should I cut the foam in my pelican to accommodate a 10 round mag in the well, a 10/30, or no mag in the well for least hassle when declaring firearms and presenting to TSA? Or is it wiser to just leave the AR at home? I already have a Remington 870 and a Glock 19 that I take in this case when going to visit the folks in Montana, so I'll be taking firearms regardless. Once I have that foam cut, that's the way I'll be taking it to and from the range back here in CA, too.

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First of all, this is a great thread. All 3 points OP made are excellent advice, but also should be viewed as common sense. But I think the one that most people fall prey to would be talking to the police. This does not mean to be uncooperative or to be a ***** towards the police. Its just that the officer who pulled you over or stops you has a job of firing off a series of incriminating questions. And I can't stress how important it is to train yourself on how to answer it without getting you car searched and seized. Cops do not care how much financial, emotional, material stress they cause a person when they falsely detain you for something that was perfectly legal in the first case. They'll just claim they're doing their job. This is where and why so many people hate cops and I don't understand why cops don't understand this phenomenon. If an officer searches someone's vehicle and finds a legally configured AR they suffer no consequences if they accuse the person of having a "Automatic Machine Gun Assault Weapon" that has a sole purpose of penetrating an officer's bullet proof vest. Said person then gets arrested and goes through hell trying to fight it out in court and spends upwards of $100K defending his freedom when he should never have had to. And the officer just says he's "doing his job". But let me be the first to say, that I am appreciative of knowing that if I had to call the police for an emergency, they will show up reasonably fast. Because THAT is their job. But I have conflicting feelings when I get bullied around by rogue cops. And even worse is when rogue cops are unfairly "protected" from prosecution in a court of law when sometimes so clearly break the law. It makes me sick.
So, if anyone feels any guilt of not talking to the cops when they are being interrogated during a traffic stop, don't be. Because they sure as hell wouldn't feel bad at all for ruining your life over a misunderstanding. You know why? Because that is their job.
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The link to the PDF for the OLL handbook is broken. Can someone fix this? I would really like to have a soft copy for my reference. Thanks.
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The link to the PDF for the OLL handbook is broken. Can someone fix this? I would really like to have a soft copy for my reference. Thanks.
Here's the related thread for that book:

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But the guy is right in regards to talking with police, it will never help you, they don't care what you have to say they only are doing what they are trained to do... find illegalities. A judge teaching one of my classes told us that it was AMAZING how many people will CONSENT to a search of their car when they have a load of cocaine or some other contraband in their car.... the number is staggering. People think if they are nice and friendly with the cop he will just say "well thanks so much for cooperating, have a nice day!" eeeehhhhh wrong, he'll still search you and think of you as a possible suspect until its over.


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I agree with you.
All le has to do is say you are acting in a suspicious manner and that was grounds to search your vehicle
whether you say yes or no. They can be creative and violate all your civil rights and get away with it. There job is to lock you up, the district attorney is the one who decides if they let you loose or make a case out of it.

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But the guy is right in regards to talking with police, it will never help you, they don't care what you have to say they only are doing what they are trained to do... find illegalities. A judge teaching one of my classes told us that it was AMAZING how many people will CONSENT to a search of their car when they have a load of cocaine or some other contraband in their car.... the number is staggering. People think if they are nice and friendly with the cop he will just say "well thanks so much for cooperating, have a nice day!" eeeehhhhh wrong, he'll still search you and think of you as a possible suspect until its over.

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