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Originally Posted by wildhawker
Kes, the people you've been listening to are the reason we're here. If losing works for you, please take their advice. You definitely seem to have a knack for hitching your wagon to, erm, those who don't know how to win.
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Interesting.
You do know some of those people are the same ones that you've personally endorsed for the NRA Board of Directors, the same ones that have been here on CGN since before you ever heard of it and the same people who have been working in Sacramento and learning what works and what doesn't over the course of decades right/
Suddenly they are the 'enemy' and know so much less than you?
Wow.
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Originally Posted by wildhawker
If he wants me to not use CGN he can always, you know, deny me access.
-Brandon
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You know the rules, keep it civil and on topic and it's all good.
If you want to post here follow the basic rules, if you don't say the word and I'll lock your account. Not delete, lock.
Like anyone else you're the one who makes the decisions I just flip the switches.
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Originally Posted by POLICESTATE
Well let's not all turn on each other.
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Unfortunately this is the pattern, if you disagree, if you don't march in lockstep, if you dare to have an opinion of your own you are immediately branded as 'the enemy'.
There is no room for people who don't accept or at least acquiesce to having someone else decide your opinion for you.
Earlier this year I differed with several of my fellow CGF Directors on the CRPA and my decision not to resign when told to.
Rather than accept that we had different opinions Brandon's response via email was to SWEAR that he would get me removed from the CGF Board of Directors.
There has been no effort to do so as of yet but the emotional outburst and declaration is unfortunately the norm ad why there is so much animosity and conflict among people and organizations.
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Originally Posted by hawk1
So you're claiming part ownership or was some interest given to you?
I don't recall the community claiming ownership. I'm certain that admin wouldn't give away part of his company just because a group claimed ownership...
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What Brandon is claiming is two-fold.
Number one is the aspect that like any forum the growth is largely attributable to the membership and their interactions.
Like many others Brandon has made contributions to the growth of the Calguns community and like most this gives the feel of it being 'my forum'.
Number two I suspect is the feeling of being 'owed'.
About three to three and a half years ago, well before Gunpal/Gpal ever existed, I went to Ben Cannon looking for advice on how to incorporate Calguns.net as a means of protecting my personal assets.
He suggested that in addition to incorporation I also look at creating a Board of Directors. Feeling that Ben had more experience and knowledge regarding running a business then I did I agreed to test drive the BoD concept with Ben and at Ben's suggestion Brandon. I added Ivan in as well since I trust him completely.
The short version of the test BoD is this, there were three differing ideas of where to take Calguns.net from that point and being completely honest I was so used to making the decisions and not having to confer with anyone I couldn't work well in that kind of arrangement so the test BoD was dissolved.
No paperwork was ever filed and no percentage of ownership ever traded hands.
Since that time there have been at least a couple of attempts to convince or cajole me in to turning ownership of CGN over to CGF and at least one offer to buy it from Brandon's new employer SAF.
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Originally Posted by hawk1
I'm surprised you haven't been banned already for attacking other members or the admin himself...
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ad.php?t=50701
2) Political discussion is welcome, partisan bickering and insults are not.
7) Outright insults, name calling, denigrating comments and ‘baiting’ is not allowed.
omments of this nature are not allowed, if you do not like someone simply do not post in their thread. This rule applies regardless of the root cause, be it religion, orientation or something specific to the individual. This does not refer to joking, ribbing or friendly teasing; these are things friends do. Neither does this rule give anyone free rein to be obnoxious and claim it as a specific trait. This rule refers to comments and post intended solely to offend, antagonize or hurt. If a trend appears of repeatedly posting not to add to the thread but to antagonize a particular member it will result in first a warning, then time off and finally closure of the account.
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I would be lying if I didn't acknowledge that I have allowed greater latitude regarding this rule to Brandon given his position as a CGF Director then I would others. In part because he does put forward good information at times and effort and in part because I try to question my own motives because I do not want my actions clouded by personal feelings.
The bottom line is simple, there is a lot of unnecessary angst, infighting and internecine warfare that does nothing good for anyone.
If we can not all learn to play together at least we should learn to play without stabbing each other.