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Old 12-04-2012, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DasBoost View Post
There was a debate going on when I was researching the 8m3 on other forums if the bullet design had changed or if the ammo manufacturer went with a different bullet. Someone, somewhere (AKFiles I think... Wish I had saved the link) had been able to trace a path of the 8m3 in the US from Wolf and another brand and then at a certain year/batch, it switched over to a different bullet and then the 8m3 reappeared in Tulammo. The way to tell with the WMC I believe is the weight, they only had 124 gr and 122 gr, but never both at the same time; not 100% on that as Tula sells both weights concurrently and I don't see why WPA/WMC wouldn't do the same.
The 124gr HP is the 8M3, the 122gr HP is a different bullet with different construction (mainly the cuts are superficial and not nearly as deep as needed to cause fragmentation). Right now Tula is the only company importing the 8M3 round.

Here is a e-mail from the president of Tula in regards to them carrying the 8M3 bullet in their 124gr HP offering.

Update –– I got an email from the head of Tulammo about the Tula 124 gr. HPs:

"I wanted to respond to your email, but I was waiting to receive a definitive response from Ulyanovsk before I replied. The Tulammo HP bullet you refer to below is the only bullet currently being imported into the U.S. from the Ulyanovsk factory in Russia. The “T” in Tulammo stands for The Tula Cartridge Company. The “UL” stands for The Ulyanovsk Cartridge Company. Until you asked the question, I was under the assumption that all of the 124 GR. HP bullets had the necessary cuts inside the bullet to provide a similar effect as the 8M3. I was informed today, that under their manufacturing guidelines, roughly 10% of the production could have bullets that might not have as detailed cuts as the 8M3. For your information, this is the exact same guideline that has been in place since the first Ulyanovsk production was imported into the U.S. Nothing has changed at the Ulyanovsk factory concerning this over the past twenty years of Russian imports into the U.S. I have only been involved with the two Russian factories since November of 2009. Prior to that, I owned Sellier & Bellot, USA. If I had known of the discrepancy, I would have informed Ulyanovsk that 100% of the bullets (no manufacturing process for bullets will always guarantee 100%) need to meet the criteria. Even though Ulyanovsk cannot specifically tell us the exact production requirements of the military 8M3 bullet, I was assured today that they will take the necessary steps to implement the production of any future Tulammo 124 GR. HP bullets as closely as possible to the 8M3.

Best regards,

Ed Grasso
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