Originally Posted by CitaDeL
So, am I the only one who wonders why would they require you to roll over to bare your belly in submission to the alpha dog, if it is already known when they run your information, that you have a LTC? Is this the same sort of thinking that makes them feel safer when officers command you not to reload your firearm until after they leave?
CA is different than other places...I had a chl in Texas for 13 years and have one currently in Idaho for the past 12 or so. Both states require notifying the popo if you're pulled over and both link the permit to your DL...
So, an outside chance if you have a permit and do not present it during a traffic stop you might have a service pistol screwed into your left ear.
That said, cops in both states are trained to assume there's a gun someplace in the car during any stop. Presenting the permit results in simply being asked where the weapon is, at least in my limited experience. Once you give them location you're treated as normally. You don't exit the car, they don't unload your weapon, etc.
CA officers seem to be trained to think that presence of a permitted gun puts them in imminent danger...no officer who's stopped me nor whom I know think having a permitted weapon in the car is any big deal...major difference in mindset.
I would tend to present the permit on top of the dl when handed over...scratching belly/alpha dog chit sounds manly, but common courtesy dictates you notify ahead of time, at least imo.
You may not be legally required to present the permit, but acting jerky can involve supervision being called and once that happens you may lose a bunch of time on the side of the road.
I shoot with a bunch of officers and deputies here, neighbor is an ISP lieutenant and you can trust me in that any K9 officer I've ever met can get the dog to alert with a quite voice command...once the pup alerts, you're guaranteed to be late for wherever you're headed.