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Old 11-06-2012, 2:06 PM
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Originally Posted by greg36f View Post
Yeah, the guy was a moron and his actions due us no good.

Is there any point where we will take common sense into consideration when it comes to a "right". Any right really?

I mean, Cal Guns basicly told the open carry rifle guys that they were on their own right?

Were they doing anything illegal? Or were their actions so stupid and bad for gun owners that most people here were willing to withdraw their support?
Originally Posted by wildhawker View Post
That's not quite true. A number of agencies are now going to deal with issues (e.g. training on seizures, firearms, "assault weapons") they would not have otherwise. In other words, consider this an opportunity to make lemonade for everyone from this single innocent gun owner's lemons.

Of course there is. I suggest you read "The Constitutional Amendment Process" and, as you might find useful, U.S. Supreme Court decisions on Constitutional law matters (I'd suggest newest to oldest).

We wanted to discourage the practice because we honestly thought someone was going to get seriously hurt (e.g. shot/killed). Thankfully, however, that never happened while California's short-lived open carry movement was active; however, we did defend/back a number of open carry participants, most of them quietly. (We were the only organization to help them, btw.)

It's arguable that the politicization of their events and media-seeking nature of some of the participants gave the politicians cover to pass the laws they did. However, I've never taken a Hotline call/email from an open carry participant who was arrested or had property taken and told them, "Sorry, you're just an open carry moron."

CGF's operational structure itself is a check against the viewpoint tyranny of the gun owner majority; one of the benefits of this is that we can choose to protect the innocent gun owner who needs help that you might not. The downside is that some might choose to not support our efforts financially due to some decision or statement of ours.

We think doing the right thing is worth the risk.

[Insert GIF of man applauding here.]

So, we finally get to the meat of the issue that is bothering greg36f. He believes open carry is boneheaded stupid and should be punished by withholding legal remedies to protect the person's rights.

I am pleased that greg36f's misapprehension about the CGF's position on the topic has been affirmatively disputed. And disproven by the support of a rifle open carrier.

Regardless of your views on various subcategories of firearms rights, this is proof positive that the CGF is the big tent to put our support- both efforts and money- to win our liberty back in California.

Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat

“Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche
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