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Old 11-03-2012, 1:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GettoPhilosopher View Post
Hm.....let's list all the ways we're winning.....

*You can own an OLL in CA with little fear of being arrested (and know that if you are arrested, CGF will sue every motherf**ker in the room)
*You can use that OLL with a bullet button instead of having to do something stupid like weld the magazine to the receiver.
*You can configure that OLL in a featureless setup with things like grip wraps, MMGs, hammerheads, etc
*You can buy rebuild kits and use them to repair your lawfully possessed pre-2000 magazines, to permanently make 10 rd magazines, or keep them for use out of state
*SB249 was resoundingly defeated by a grassroots coalition
*If you live in Sacramento county, you can now get a LTC with "self-defense" as your good cause
*You have a fundamental enumerated constitutional right to own firearms for lawful purposes, including self defense (Heller)
*That right is incorporated against the states (McDonald)
*You can get off-roster handguns via SSE sales
*You can get AR/AK/etc pistols via SSE + bullet buttons

Woe is me, we must be losing or something!

Shall I go on? :P
Originally Posted by HowardW56 View Post
CGN needs a LIKE button next to the Quote button.....
Truth. (Quoted for)

Originally Posted by wildhawker View Post
To those myopic few who think this is about open carry, broaden your horizons and read Amend 4.

Not to undermine your comment, (because I agree with it) but just playing devil's advocate- these same people would say that by openly carrying it, that the person with the rifle created the opportunity for a search under the plain view doctrine via 12031 inpection.

This too, would be wrong, because a 12031 loaded check is NOT a search, but a brief inspection to check just one thing- and that is whether the firearm is loaded per the statutory definition of what consitutes a loaded weapon.
  • Not to run a serial number.
  • Not to determine whether the weapon has been stolen or prove ownership.
  • Not to disassemble the weapon or alter the configuration or status into something that might be illegal under law.
  • Not to seize the weapon so that it's legality or illegality may be determined after review of the voluminuous statutes that might govern ownership and transport.

It's really simple regardless of whether or not you agree with the method of carry. This applies in this circumstance as well as shooting on public land.

Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat

“Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche
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