Also, no one has mention anything about 'accuracy',
the other most important pt after reliability.
how do they group?
in particular, how is the 9mm grouping?
often times, i have noticed that the 9's you get at
the ranges are less than ideal.
for example, at the firing line in burbank,
their 9mm in baggies will only group a
typical 2-3 incher 5 shot groups at 50 ft.