Originally Posted by shark92651
A "pistol grip" is pretty well defined in the CA law, and the law forbids a "forward pistol grip", but there is no extra definition for a "forward" pistol grip.
Actually forward pistol grip is defined.
Cal. Admin. Code tit. 11, § 5469
The following definitions apply to terms used in the identification of assault weapons pursuant to Penal Code section 12276.1:
(c) "forward pistol grip" means a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp forward of the trigger.
(d) "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" means a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing.
And this is where bobfried makes a faulty leap of logic when he said:
Originally Posted by bobfried
Featureless in CA is good to go in my book. A pistol grip has to allow for a PG style grab with the web of the hand BELOW the action. The AFG does not allow this, even if your hands were HUGE, grasping it ala VFG style would still have the web of your hand above the action.
(c) above defines forward pistol grip as allowing a pistol style grasp forward of the trigger. It says NOTHING that includes the definition of a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" from part (d).
So there's a disconnect. While it's logical that (c) would include (d), it doesn't. So a forward pistol grip is not bound by the web of the hand below the action definition.
(c) just states if you can get a pistol style grasp on a GRIP mounted in front of the trigger, then it's a forward pistol grip. It specifies "grip", so things like sling mounts, bipods, light mounts are not included.
The AFG is marketed and used as a grip.
I would not use one on a featureless build or a pistol.
Like it or not, this is a pistol style grasp using this grip: