Originally Posted by blackrazor
OK, here's what I'm thinking.
We all know the detachable magazine semi-auto shotgun (think Saiga-12) is an AW here in CA. But, what if you were to do the following:
Purchase your Saiga with no stock (PG only), and without the gas system installed, so that it's no longer a "semi automatic" shotgun.
Then, you xfer to your trust, fill out the From 1 BS, and create your "sawed off" with front and rear pistol grips. At this point, you no longer possess a "shotgun" but you do possess an "AOW", which means you can modify it to now be semi-auto w/o affecting the AOW status. In the end, you can have a 10" bbl double pistol grip AOW shotgun with a detachable magazine, yes?
BTW, can you CCW an AOW?
Unfortunately, you can't buy a Saiga that was imported with only a PG, or without a stock. You'd have to build your own on a flat. Double pistol grips is not a requirement on a "shotgun based" AOW. It is an AOW per a pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell
. Aparantly, if it has an 18+" barrel it isn't considered a pistol.
I still think you will run into AW snags. Yes, if built on a flat, it would not be a "shotgun" since it never had a stock, so it would not need to comply with the shotgun AW rules. But, I think it would be considered a pistol in CA as soon as the barrel went under 16", and at that point you have to comply with the pistol AW rules. And that means no detachable mag.