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its mcgavin son 06-21-2013 2:02 PM

Wooden dowel, seriously?
 
I finally found some live shells for my brand-new Mossberg 500 Tactical Persuader. Low and behold I was only able to load 2 shells in the tube because there was a wooden dowel in my PUMP shotgun

halifax 06-21-2013 2:04 PM

In case you go duck hunting with it. :o

its mcgavin son 06-21-2013 2:09 PM

California :o

CK_32 06-21-2013 2:09 PM

It's a legality thing all shot guns (as far as my knowledge) come with them out of the shop.

I've chucked every single one as soon as I got home accept the one in my 870 cause it was plastic and I saw them going for $30 online hah!


Edit: The way CA is going we might want to keep these being with out them they will probably be assault shotguns in a few years with out perm capped mag tubes

billofrights 06-21-2013 2:13 PM

Had the same problem when I got mine home, was like "2 shells, this POS is broken!" Because who reads the manual for a shotgun, right? They mention it in there but still...yeah...stupid requirement.

Mitch 06-21-2013 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by its mcgavin son (Post 11640077)
California :o

As well as most other states. That's why the dowel is there. They don't offer special California versions of their shotguns.

Kodemonkey 06-21-2013 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by its mcgavin son (Post 11640077)
California :o

It's not a California thing, it's a hunting thing. You'd be pissed if you bought a shotgun and it didn't come with the plug if you were are duck hunter.

Take it out, no harm, no foul. Just don't go hunting with it.

Milsurps 06-21-2013 2:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by its mcgavin son (Post 11640024)
I finally found some live shells for my brand-new Mossberg 500 Tactical Persuader. Low and behold I was only able to load 2 shells in the tube because there was a wooden dowel in my PUMP shotgun

Quote:

Originally Posted by halifax (Post 11640037)
In case you go duck hunting with it. :o

Yup !
Quote:

Originally Posted by its mcgavin son (Post 11640077)
California :o

NO! it's a Federal thing. ;)

Lots of You tubes to show you how. :D

TurboLT 06-21-2013 2:21 PM

Dude people pay for those things?

*Business idea! Lets do this...

Dattebayo 06-21-2013 2:49 PM

Yeah, going hunting and being able to load more than 2 rounds in the tube will get you in some serious trouble.

I don't hunt much and shoot more clays, so I personally take out the dowel.

xtra870 06-21-2013 3:03 PM

There good to keep around in case someone invites you hunting

xxINKxx 06-21-2013 3:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CK_32 (Post 11640078)
It's a legality thing all shot guns (as far as my knowledge) come with them out of the shop.

Not sure about ones sold purposely for hunting.

But all my black tacticool shotguns never came with them, even when the gun shop goes in the back and grabs a new one still sealed in the original box.

ivanimal 06-21-2013 3:11 PM

Any act of hunting with a shotgun capable of holding more than 3 rounds will get you a big fine and a years loss of hunting privileges. No matter what you are hunting! Thats right, if you are deer hunting and you have an unloaded shotgun in your car with no plug, it will be enough to get a ticket and fine. i have seen it happen.

Dattebayo 06-21-2013 3:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxINKxx (Post 11640448)
Not sure about ones sold purposely for hunting.

But all my black tacticool shotguns never came with them, even when the gun shop goes in the back and grabs a new one still sealed in the original box.

Actually come think of it, that is very true. My Maverick 88 security didn't have a dowel for a limiter.

mjsweims 06-21-2013 4:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dattebayo (Post 11640347)

I don't hunt much and shoot more clays, so I personally take out the dowel.

If you're shooting clays why do you need more than 2 shells at a time. For all sports you only have two targets maximum at one station.

ssaction 06-21-2013 5:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodemonkey (Post 11640132)
It's not a California thing, it's a hunting thing. You'd be pissed if you bought a shotgun and it didn't come with the plug if you were are duck hunter.

Take it out, no harm, no fowl. Just don't go hunting with it.

fixed that for ya. ;)

DSB 06-21-2013 5:14 PM

In before someone blames President Obama. ;)

stix213 06-21-2013 5:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mjsweims (Post 11641071)
If you're shooting clays why do you need more than 2 shells at a time. For all sports you only have two targets maximum at one station.

You've never shot 3 clays in a row before? Have your buddy put 3 or 4 in the air at once, great fun seeing if you can hit em all.

stix213 06-21-2013 5:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DSB (Post 11641326)
In before someone blames President Obama. ;)

Actually I suspect Double Barrel Biden :p

Merc1138 06-21-2013 5:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stix213 (Post 11641346)
You've never shot 3 clays in a row before? Have your buddy put 3 or 4 in the air at once, great fun seeing if you can hit em all.

He was talking about an actual clays sport. Like trap, skeet, or sporting clays. Not "buddy tossing clays into the air on BLM land".

Not that I'm slamming shooting clays on BLM land(do whatever you want out there for all I care, as long as you're safe about it and clean up after yourself), but his usage of "sport" and "station" made what he meant pretty clear.

Jet Setter 06-21-2013 5:51 PM

It is removable. Just be thankful that law does not apply to rifles and handguns.

Vertigofirearms 06-21-2013 5:59 PM

Not really on topic, but if you go hunting with a gun that has the ability to "ghost load", does that count as a round?

For example a Benelli m1?

Dattebayo 06-21-2013 6:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjsweims (Post 11641071)
If you're shooting clays why do you need more than 2 shells at a time. For all sports you only have two targets maximum at one station.

It's secondary purpose is that it is a 3 gun shotgun. I just happen to use it for clays as well.

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Originally Posted by Vertigofirearms (Post 11641629)
Not really on topic, but if you go hunting with a gun that has the ability to "ghost load", does that count as a round?

For example a Benelli m1?

2 in the tube, 1 in the chamber is the limit.

mossy 06-21-2013 6:20 PM

its a hunting thing, most 500's have them although i have 2 mossberg's (500 JIC II and a 590) both came dowel free.

honeywalnutshrimp 06-21-2013 6:22 PM

lol and wow at this thread

all that's in my head is the hilarious look of people being frustrated and furious the new shotgun they just bought only holds two shells

Brd_Hntr 06-21-2013 6:34 PM

The method used to check is a plastic coated rod with a taped mark on the rod. The rod is inserted into your empty magazine tube. If the rod goes in past the mark you get a citation. Simple, but effective.

The requirement is "...the plug must be of one piece construction incapable of removal without disassembling the gun."

Yes, I have had my shotgun checked in the field.

Dattebayo 06-21-2013 6:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brd_Hntr (Post 11641880)
The method used to check is a plastic coated rod with a taped mark on the rod. The rod is inserted into your empty magazine tube. If the rod goes in past the mark you get a citation. Simple, but effective.

The requirement is "...the plug must be of one piece construction incapable of removal without disassembling the gun."

Yes, I have had my shotgun checked in the field.

Hum, the rods in my shotguns are all little and plastic. It doesn't fill out the mag tube so I don't think the rod strategy will work for me unfortunately. Can't you just test if you can fit more than 2 shells and be good?

negolien 06-21-2013 6:43 PM

I have purchased several shotguns and have never had a wooden dowel in mine lol. As a side note you will have a follower but that's a little plastic piece.

rojocorsa 06-21-2013 6:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merc1138 (Post 11641454)
He was talking about an actual clays sport. Like trap, skeet, or sporting clays. Not "buddy tossing clays into the air on BLM land".

Not that I'm slamming shooting clays on BLM land(do whatever you want out there for all I care, as long as you're safe about it and clean up after yourself), but his usage of "sport" and "station" made what he meant pretty clear.

I like to load up 1+4 at each trap position so that I know to move over when the gun is empty after the 5th shot.

Thefeeder 06-21-2013 7:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rojocorsa (Post 11642007)
I like to load up 1+4 at each trap position so that I know to move over when the gun is empty after the 5th shot.

Please tell us your not serious. :facepalm:

Dattebayo 06-21-2013 7:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thefeeder (Post 11642361)
Please tell us your not serious. :facepalm:

I mean I suppose if it was informal, guess it isn't that big deal you aren't following all the rules.

When shooting skeet informally or for fun, I'd take my bonus shot whenever and where ever I please.

tommyboy619 06-21-2013 8:05 PM

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Originally Posted by honeywalnutshrimp (Post 11641805)
lol and wow at this thread

all that's in my head is the hilarious look of people being frustrated and furious the new shotgun they just bought only holds two shells

It's hilarious because it happened to you too :D I know it ruined my first time out with my Mossy combo. You will never fool me again Mossberg :nono:

mossy 06-21-2013 8:12 PM

fun fact: that limited 2 shell capacity is full capacity for a UK legal Mossberg 500 and our standard 18 inch barrel is considered a SBS in the UK.

kellyhachihachi 06-21-2013 9:02 PM

just picked up my new Hatsan Escort MPA and put 3 in and thought "crap i broke something already" haha

negolien 06-22-2013 1:05 AM

meh...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mossy (Post 11642594)
fun fact: that limited 2 shell capacity is full capacity for a UK legal Mossberg 500 and our standard 18 inch barrel is considered a SBS in the UK.

Yeah I love listening to that jacka** Pierce Morgan rant about how the lack of guns leads to no gun violance in the U.K.... I always want to say hey dumba** it didn't stop the IRA from getting guns did it lol..:facepalm:

Funny how after 9/11 the IRA suddenly decided non violance and a political settlement was the way to go...:rolleyes:

Sorry for temporary threadjack.

TurboLT 06-22-2013 5:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjsweims (Post 11641071)
If you're shooting clays why do you need more than 2 shells at a time. For all sports you only have two targets maximum at one station.

This is definitely the wrong board to be asking why someone would need more shell capacity lol.

Do hold into it though. In indiana at least high achieving game wardens will check your tube.

sdkevin 06-22-2013 6:00 AM

What a crock.. You spend hundreds of $$ on a hunting gun and can only load 3-5? No wonder fish and game hates the Siaga mag fed.

chuckdc 06-22-2013 7:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brd_Hntr (Post 11641880)
The method used to check is a plastic coated rod with a taped mark on the rod. The rod is inserted into your empty magazine tube. If the rod goes in past the mark you get a citation. Simple, but effective.

The requirement is "...the plug must be of one piece construction incapable of removal without disassembling the gun."

Yes, I have had my shotgun checked in the field.

Last time I was there when they were checking, they had a bendy spring device with a brass end that went up the tube, and the spring had a mark on it.


I offered the warden my over/under to check, and he seemed peeved for some reason.. ;):rolleyes:

Bad Voodoo 06-22-2013 8:33 AM

Learn something new every day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivanimal (Post 11640490)
Any act of hunting with a shotgun capable of holding more than 3 rounds will get you a big fine and a years loss of hunting privileges. No matter what you are hunting! Thats right, if you are deer hunting and you have an unloaded shotgun in your car with no plug, it will be enough to get a ticket and fine. i have seen it happen.


XenosAce 06-22-2013 9:00 AM

When I got my Mossberg 500 20" It did not come with a dowel. But when my father got his Mossberg combo years ago it did. I is confused why some come with one and other don't. BTW Mossberg's new site sucks now IMHO.


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