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dogfood 05-03-2013 6:36 PM

Weighing Options For First Deer Rifle
 
Hi All,
I'm in the process of getting my hunting licence and plan on going for deer with a rifle.
My only centerfire rifle is a Swiss K31 but I have been thinking about a Marlin 336 in 30-30 for quite some time.
I have only ever hunted out in the northeast, where 30-30 is quite the solid deer round. K31/7.5x55 has greater range, accuracy, energy. Though the rifle is 2lb heavier.
In shorts there any material advantage that the 336 has over the K31?
(I imagine ammo selection/availability is one...for now at least)
Much obliged,
-dgfd

5shot 05-03-2013 6:40 PM

Both good guns. Choice mostly depends on how far your shots are going to be.

lewdogg21 05-03-2013 6:41 PM

Will you be hunting in the condor zone? If so K31 ammo could be a lot harder to find.

dogfood 05-03-2013 7:22 PM

I'm opens to hunting anywhere in the state.
So as it stands now it seems to come down to the likelihood of >250m shots versus the likelihood of begin incondor land. Im a transplant, so this may be a dumb question butt...which is the more likely scenario, looking at the state as a whole?
Thx

gotsig 05-03-2013 7:31 PM

If you want to hunt local to Burbank, lead free.

dogfood 05-03-2013 8:55 PM

I thought rifle and pistol hunting was prohibited in LA county. Am I misinformed?

Hallx7 05-03-2013 10:45 PM

Marlin 30-30 is a great rifle and a great round.
If ammo is an issue you should look in to loading your own for either. I only use iron sights on my 30-30 but if you added optics you would have no problem reaching out at >250

DirtyDave 05-03-2013 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogfood (Post 11258839)
I thought rifle and pistol hunting was prohibited in LA county. Am I misinformed?

Yes you are misinformed. That is for Rabbits Only

311.7. Use of Rifles and Pistols in Los Angeles County.
In Los Angeles County the use of rifles or pistols is prohibited in the taking of rabbits.

DirtyDave 05-03-2013 10:58 PM

Is this just a Deer rifle? Or will you be hunting other critters with it later on?
A scoped rifle is the way to go here in Ca. But 30-30's are cool and you will just have to get a bit closer.
Anything from a .243 to a 30-06 (and everything in between) will kill the crap out of a deer. No need for a Magnum

nastyhabts26 05-04-2013 12:04 AM

Get a .270 or 300 win mag ammo for these has been available at most Walmart stores I have seen.

dogfood 05-04-2013 12:57 AM

Thanks for clearing that up for me, Dave.
It'd be a deer rifle for now but I do want to expand my horizons in the future.

shooterfpga 05-04-2013 1:06 AM

.270 and .243 is pretty good for deer.

180ls1 05-04-2013 1:10 AM

Like other people have suggested could we talk you into a .270 or something that shoots a little flatter and hits harder? You will be able to find the ammo anywhere and even the lead free stuff will take down game at longer ranges. Out west here there is a much greater chance for a longer shot where something like a 7mm or .270 or similar would be great and also would allow you to move to larger game like big hogs or elk also.

180ls1 05-04-2013 1:12 AM

Many times you can drop buy a gun shop and get a lightly used savage in 308, 270, 30-06, 25-06, 7mm ect... for very reasonable prices like $500 for a scoped gun.

ivanimal 05-04-2013 1:15 AM

30-06 or 308 have he best ammo choices and availability wherever you go. These days are just a freak show for all ammo.

I started with a 30/30 in 1976 and wanted more power soon after. Look at savage for good value nd availability.

MJB 05-04-2013 6:33 AM

Stay away from the 30/30 unless you plan on buying a lot of guns. The 270 or 30-06 will be a good all around gun and you can find some good used ones ready to go!

The 30/30 is good for brush or short shots but some deer shots can be 300yds.

And by 2016 all hunting in the state will be no lead.

Xcountryrider 05-04-2013 6:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogfood (Post 11257753)
Hi All,
I'm in the process of getting my hunting licence and plan on going for deer with a rifle.
My only centerfire rifle is a Swiss K31 but I have been thinking about a Marlin 336 in 30-30 for quite some time.
I have only ever hunted out in the northeast, where 30-30 is quite the solid deer round. K31/7.5x55 has greater range, accuracy, energy. Though the rifle is 2lb heavier.
In shorts there any material advantage that the 336 has over the K31?
(I imagine ammo selection/availability is one...for now at least)
Much obliged,
-dgfd

Naw go with a Modern Sporting Rifle(AR-15) in a deer caliber like 6.5MM Grendel. It will be fun, effective and annoy the hell out of your Liberal friends.

Bowhunter_619 05-04-2013 9:16 AM

Turner's has the Savage 111 Trophy hunter package with a Nikon scope for 519. The package can be had in any caliber from .243 to .300 Win Mag.

Tanner68 05-04-2013 9:34 AM

That K31 is just as good as any thirty cal commonly used for hunting, like 30-06 or .308. You can always, easily, get a St. Marie scope mount, which doesn't damage the gun, if you want to scope it. I have plans to hunt with a K31 and take a deer.

While reloading might seem like a formidable hobby, if you were only interested in reloading for a single caliber, 7.5x55 Swiss, it is pretty easy. I just mention that because of the lead free issue.

Myself, I would take a pass on the 30-30. I think there are so many other better and more useful rounds out there; 243, 25-06, anything in 6.5 mm, 270, and the venerable 30-06.

180ls1 05-04-2013 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivanimal (Post 11260317)
30-06 or 308 have he best ammo choices and availability wherever you go. These days are just a freak show for all ammo.

I started with a 30/30 in 1976 and wanted more power soon after. Look at savage for good value nd availability.

The only exception to that from what i have seen is the .270 Both the walmarts i have seen have had .270's in stock and some .410's also. I am not sure about any other places.

dogfood 05-04-2013 2:45 PM

UPDATE:
 
wow, y'all're great. thank you all for the great input on every front. you've helped me make up my mind. for the time being i'll just use the k31 and if after my first season, a civilian rifle looks like it will make more sense to lug around in the woods and what not, i will look into the .270s and the like.
thanks again,
-dgfd

UPDATE:
Stopped by an LGS cos a friend is in the market for somethign new. Long story short, I'm a hypocrite. I bought a 30-30 lever on the spot, though in my defense it's a WCF-marked Winchester 94 whose price was too good to pass up.
-dgfd

lewdogg21 05-05-2013 5:56 AM

lol. That $ was going to kill you if it sat in your pocket any longer eh? "Poison the blood stream!"

Anyways since you've been in the military you probably know about good footwear as that's probably the most important piece of hunting equipment a person can own.

I urge you to start hitting the research (reading, online, googe maps, topo maps,) and then get some boot leather to the ground scouting this summer so you have a good idea of places to go this coming season. Have more than one b/c inevitably some yahoo will wreck one or more of them.

JohnCCW 05-05-2013 5:30 PM

I know it's a bit late, but I agree on the .270 Win being a caliber that you can easily find ammo for.
I have a Winchester 1895 in that caliber. Sweeeet

SILENT GUNMAN 05-06-2013 8:05 AM

I use a .270 for deer. That being said my next rifle will be a scoped 30-30 with see through rings. In my experience iron sights are better at under 100 yards. The see through rings make it so you can use a scope for a long range shot but still be able to use the rifles iron sights if you stumble across a buck at close range. Nothing worse than missing a 20 yard shot because you can only use the scope and you didn't compensate enough for such close range.

truep 05-06-2013 11:41 AM

Something to think about is when I went to Big 5 the other day, they were all out of 308, 270, etc...but they had plenty of 30-06 both in soft point lead, and non-lead. No idea...I guess not as many guys these days use a 30-06, but I do.

MJB 05-06-2013 2:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SILENT GUNMAN (Post 11274618)
I use a .270 for deer. That being said my next rifle will be a scoped 30-30 with see through rings. In my experience iron sights are better at under 100 yards. The see through rings make it so you can use a scope for a long range shot but still be able to use the rifles iron sights if you stumble across a buck at close range. Nothing worse than missing a 20 yard shot because you can only use the scope and you didn't compensate enough for such close range.

I used the see through rings a long time ago they don't really work that great. I like a gun I can shoulder with my eyes closed and be in the right spot to see the sight every time. With the see through rings your scope is too high when you shoulder the gun and when your using the open sights its just not that open. If your concern is finding game in a scope at close range get a 1or 2 on the low end of the scope.
I have no problem with 20yds and finding game in the scope when dialed down to 3. My fist Cali boar was a 25yds shot. The scope was set on 9 power found his ears and let him have it. From then on my scope starts on the lowest power if I find an animal far away I have more time to get the shot so I start turning it up as i find my rest.

180ls1 05-06-2013 2:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogfood (Post 11263708)
wow, y'all're great. thank you all for the great input on every front. you've helped me make up my mind. for the time being i'll just use the k31 and if after my first season, a civilian rifle looks like it will make more sense to lug around in the woods and what not, i will look into the .270s and the like.
thanks again,
-dgfd

UPDATE:
Stopped by an LGS cos a friend is in the market for somethign new. Long story short, I'm a hypocrite. I bought a 30-30 lever on the spot, though in my defense it's a WCF-marked Winchester 94 whose price was too good to pass up.
-dgfd

Id get some of those hornady leverrevolution bullets or whatever they are called with the soft pointy nose. They shoot a considerable amount better then the flat nosed ones and should help that 30-30 out quite a bit.

DennisCA 05-06-2013 3:00 PM

Ok - Here's my two cents:
I bought a Winchester Model 70 in .270 cal back in the mid-80's, part of that deal was I traded in my Marlin 336 30-30. I've deer and various critters from the deserts of AZ, to the woodlands of NC - in all kinds of weather. It has never failed me, (when I've done my part) anyways here's a pic the gun:
http://imageshack.us/a/img23/2489/270overview.jpg
(FYI - The scope is 3X9 Burris )

bombadillo 05-06-2013 3:24 PM

If you do end up looking for a good deer gun, its hard to beat the savage trophy hunter XP from budsgunshop.com. I have about 460 in mine plus the DROS and its a great little gun. Detachable box mag, Accutrigger, free floating bbl, and synthetic stock. I painted the stock to look a bit better than plain black, or you can get the wooden version if you want a nicer looking gun although a bit heavier. You can get them from .223 up to .300wm and maybe larger but I have never seen them. The model 16 in the same series is the stainless and a bit more money.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l1...psa7b61e81.jpg

Dirty Dan 05-06-2013 7:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DennisCA (Post 11277642)
Ok - Here's my two cents:
I bought a Winchester Model 70 in .270 cal back in the mid-80's, part of that deal was I traded in my Marlin 336 30-30. I've deer and various critters from the deserts of AZ, to the woodlands of NC - in all kinds of weather. It has never failed me, (when I've done my part) anyways here's a pic the gun:
http://imageshack.us/a/img23/2489/270overview.jpg
(FYI - The scope is 3X9 Burris )

That looks just like what I bought this past year. Went into my LGS set on a Remington 700 in 30.06 (the gun of my youth) but found my sweet Winchester 70 in .270, topped with a Leupold 4-10x scope, barely used for just under $600. Never looked back.

CSACANNONEER 05-06-2013 7:26 PM

I've taken a few deer with one of my '94s in 30-30 (no optics). It's a great choice for hunting in brush. However, I've been thinking about loading up some Barnes Bullets in 7.5 Swiss brass and hunting with a K31 with irons. Lead free 7.5 isn't hard to load at all.

Don@Tahoe 05-06-2013 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DennisCA (Post 11277642)
Ok - Here's my two cents:
I bought a Winchester Model 70 in .270 cal back in the mid-80's, part of that deal was I traded in my Marlin 336 30-30. I've deer and various critters from the deserts of AZ, to the woodlands of NC - in all kinds of weather. It has never failed me, (when I've done my part) anyways here's a pic the gun:
http://imageshack.us/a/img23/2489/270overview.jpg
(FYI - The scope is 3X9 Burris )


That rifle is way to clean, come on , beat that thing up!

Sundo 05-06-2013 11:06 PM

Sounds like the OP has made his choice, but for the sake of discussion...

My choice for a deer rifle would be Savage 16 or 116 Weather Warrior (stainless, synthetic, sporter barrel) or Savage 11 or 111 Lightweight Hunter (carbon steel, wood stock, ultralight barrel, action, and bolt).

My choice of caliber would be either .30-06 for versatility and availability, .243 for lightest weight and recoil, or .260 Rem if I was planning to reload a lot.

Dano3467 05-07-2013 11:58 AM

+1 on 270 win Small hole on one side, fist size hole on the other, and yes ammo is everywhere...

tony270 05-07-2013 3:37 PM

I would go with a bolt action .270 or .30-06, IMO the 30-30 lever action is a brush gun.

ivanimal 05-07-2013 3:47 PM

Just remember that a 270 is a necked down 30-06.

dogfood 05-07-2013 5:21 PM

Well I did make up my mind but I dont doubt that if deer hunting tickles my fancy I will get another. I did not know what the .270 was a necked down 30-06. Was that was the garand was originally was chambered in?
Thanks for the tip on the Leverevolution ammo.
I have a .357DW 6" that I want to use for short range deer hunting. Would a Contender in 30-40 make more sense?
(Weight is a big concern to me)

tony270 05-08-2013 8:10 AM

I have a Winchester lever action model 94, oh and the .270 is one of the flattest shooting rounds on the market.

IMO only the eccentric hunter uses a sidearm to hunt deer, unless they just want to see how a pistol does, or it’s just their thing. A pistol would be okay for bayed up hogs or for backup bear protection. If you decide to hunt deer with a pistol the Thompson Contender is the better of the two. The .357 DW is suitable for bayed up hogs but not for a large charging angry bear, I would go with at least a 44 mag. for backup only.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a...0&d=1310172848

DirtyDave 05-08-2013 9:08 AM

Any cartridge born from the 30-06 Springfield, 308 Winchester, or 8x57 Mauser case is a good one. Your most common Deer cartridges came from these 3 origins. (not including magnums)

30-06 family
.25-06 Remington
.270 Winchester
.280 Remington
.338-06 A-Square
.35 Whelen

308 family
.243 Winchester
.260 Remington
7mm-08 Remington
.308 Winchester
.338 Federal
.358 Winchester

8x57 family
6mm Remington (my favorite for Deer)
.257 Roberts (Remington)
6.5x57 Mauser/RWS
7x57 Mauser

I left out the Wildcats and the less common factory options

Fjold 05-08-2013 5:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivanimal (Post 11286962)
Just remember that a 270 is a necked down 30-06.

Not to be too picky but the case length of a 30-06 is 2.494 inches while the case length of a .270 is 2.540 inches. The headspace dimensions are different also, the 270 has the shoulder moved forward to keep people from chambering the 270 cartridge in a 30.06 gun.


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