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Airman Skitters 03-08-2013 8:19 PM

Swiss Rifle Fans, Check This Out
 
So, while browsing Gunbrokers, I happened to find This interesting auction.

While the shipping is pretty steep, a Min Bid Win still comes out to around $50 a rifle to start out with... What do folks think of this? My first thought was "CalGuns Group Buy?" Not sure how feasible that would really be, but I thought it was interesting to share nonetheless.

Local FFL/CalGuns Member Bid, think the Group Buy's kind of unfeasible now.

Chucko 03-08-2013 8:28 PM

My calculations could be off at a minimum it would cost about $7000 (with shipping included) divided up between 60 rifles, equals about $117 per.

Airman Skitters 03-08-2013 8:35 PM

Suppose it would be about that, yep. $2,900 + $3,800 + whatever the Importer would charge... I guess around $7K, yeah.

CEDaytonaRydr 03-08-2013 8:50 PM

Thinking.... about... doing... it... NO JOKE! :eek:

Whatever you do, DO NOT show this to Latigo... :o

Airman Skitters 03-08-2013 8:52 PM

Seeing how Latigo would react was the second thing I thought of, heh.

CEDaytonaRydr 03-08-2013 9:33 PM

Watch out for that importer, guys! If you read his feedback, one buyer says that the importer is (and I quote) a "crook".

He's also sold some non-functioning weapons, or weapons with broken parts recently.


Another slight problem is the 12 round, detachable box magazines on the 1889 rifles.

Guisan 03-09-2013 1:04 AM

I know the seller well (and so does Latigo), keep in mind that these rifles all come from private Swiss households where they have been for many years, they do not come straight from the army.
The seller is not test firing all these, what he does is a visual inspection and dry-firing to see if it functions, still a striker spring can be worn or a striker pin broken but that is all easy to solve.
During (rough) transport the trigger assembly can get loose but that is only a matter of pushing it back into it's seat.

orangeusa 03-09-2013 2:30 AM

I know a guy in Solothurn who told me he sells K31's ect to the US market. I can send you his info if that helps. I have a thread of his underground range where he let me shoot a Sig 210, and other guns of his.. (Sphynx - CZ75 clone).

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Guisan 03-09-2013 3:55 AM

He can sell direct to the US when he is a certified gun dealer, when not he needs the help of a exporting local gun dealer.

Edvil91 03-09-2013 3:03 PM

If there is going to be a group buy, I am down. I have recently purchased a k31 and k11...I would love a 1911 long rifle and perhaps a 1889.

penguin0123 03-09-2013 3:29 PM

I'm in for a group buy... :)

CEDaytonaRydr 03-09-2013 4:06 PM

If you guys are going to do a group thing, I might be down. I was going to try to do this solo but I don't know where to find an importer, and how to deal with the logistics of that. So yeah, count me in for a share...

Airman Skitters 03-09-2013 5:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guisan (Post 10759071)
I know the seller well (and so does Latigo), keep in mind that these rifles all come from private Swiss households where they have been for many years, they do not come straight from the army.
The seller is not test firing all these, what he does is a visual inspection and dry-firing to see if it functions, still a striker spring can be worn or a striker pin broken but that is all easy to solve.
During (rough) transport the trigger assembly can get loose but that is only a matter of pushing it back into it's seat.

Interesting, I kinda figured that's where these were coming from, Private Owners and such who'd taken their "Issued" weapons on as their own or the like. My 1889 is "Private" marked if I recall...

This Seller is a reputable guy? Sounds like that's about as good a condition as you could expect. We'd have to get them here and really check them out for safety and functionality, test fire them and all, I imagine.

As for a group plan of action... I think my Father and I would be in... We could definitely use a 1911 Long Rifle and an 1896/11 to fill in our Swiss collection a bit more. Another K11 wouldn't be bad either...

Alright, let's figure this out...

In for a Group Collaboration:
Edvil91
penguin0123
CEDaytonaRydr (?)
Paulie Lugnuts (Dad!)
Airman Skitters

We definitely need a few more folks... we need to figure out who we could to go through for Importation... as CEDaytonaRydr pointed out... there were some reviews on the Seller's GB page that indicated the Importer he used was... less than ideal. We also need to figure out where these guns would go and how we would store them and deal with them... and what exactly we'd do with them after we acquired them. I don't think we can legally sell the leftovers in any great numbers after we've all had our chance to pick through them and find our individual cuts of the cake... so... any ideas here? Any at all? On anything from Importer to handling and eventually selling what we don't take?

SJ Mosin 03-09-2013 5:29 PM

I would be in for 1 rifle, but it doesn't look like we have enough interest.

AleksandreCz 03-09-2013 5:41 PM

Id be in for a k11

Exodus343 03-09-2013 5:45 PM

+1
let me know details if any

Airman Skitters 03-09-2013 5:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SJ Mosin (Post 10764230)
I would be in for 1 rifle, but it doesn't look like we have enough interest.

We're just getting started~

I think, at this stage, we should see how many folks are interested and get a group together. Once we've got a good group of folks involved, we can start to figure out what a contribution should look like... along with... figuring out some of the issues like Importer and whatnot.

Chucko 03-09-2013 6:18 PM

I would be in for 1-2 K11 carbines

penguin0123 03-09-2013 6:29 PM

To clarify, I'm tentatively in for one K11 Carbine, one 96/11. Depending on the condition, I might also pick up an 1889 rifle.

Airman Skitters 03-09-2013 7:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguin0123 (Post 10764729)
To clarify, I'm tentatively in for one K11 Carbine, one 96/11. Depending on the condition, I might also pick up an 1889 rifle.

Alright. Well, at this point, I'm just looking at initial interest. We'll have to discuss the details of this further once we've got more folks. As it is, my father (A C&R Holder) in Carmichael thinks he could store the guns at his Auto Shop without too much trouble when the time came. We could process them out of there or something.

The seller seems to be putting the lot back up consistently... unless someone suddenly jumps upon it... I think we've got a good chunk of time to figure things out. Suppose Jan 1 of next year would be something of a Maximum deadline... what with Long Gun Registration on the books, bleh.

P.S. Chucko, I'm adding you to the "Interested" List.

Exodus343 03-09-2013 7:44 PM

Yeah I'm only in for one also
can't afford too much rifles on a college budget
K11 for me please

JacobCR03 03-09-2013 7:50 PM

There's a bid on the auction, now. Based on the bidder's feedback, it appears to be a dealer in Tracy.

penguin0123 03-09-2013 7:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exodus343 (Post 10765380)
Yeah I'm only in for one also
can't afford too much rifles on a college budget
K11 for me please

In that case, get a 96/11. They are reputed to be the most accurate of them all.

PolishMike 03-09-2013 7:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JacobCR03 (Post 10765429)
There's a bid on the auction, now. Based on the bidder's feedback, it appears to be a dealer in Tracy.

It may or may not be me ;-) my math after 200+25ea import fee (I know another importer that may come out cheaper) each rifle comes out to around 140ea.

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Exodus343 03-09-2013 7:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguin0123 (Post 10765473)
In that case, get a 96/11. They are reputed to be the most accurate of them all.

ahh sounds good
shoots the 7.5 swiss right?
put me down for one!

JacobCR03 03-09-2013 8:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PolishMike (Post 10765476)
It may or may not be me ;-) my math after 200+25ea import fee (I know another importer that may come out cheaper) each rifle comes out to around 140ea.

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:D Good deal--hope you get 'em. (More quality Swiss rifles for Californians.)

Airman Skitters 03-09-2013 8:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JacobCR03 (Post 10765429)
There's a bid on the auction, now. Based on the bidder's feedback, it appears to be a dealer in Tracy.

Well, shoot... looks like the jig is up, gents...

Quote:

Originally Posted by PolishMike (Post 10765476)
It may or may not be me ;-) my math after 200+25ea import fee (I know another importer that may come out cheaper) each rifle comes out to around 140ea.

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Heh heh, well... with you just down south of Sac there... that's not bad. Think my Dad could come down and pick out a nice 1896/11 and a 1911 Long Rifle if/when you get 'em in?

CEDaytonaRydr 03-09-2013 9:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airman Skitters (Post 10765538)
Well, shoot... looks like the jig is up, gents...

Well, maybe not. Lots of space between $2900 and $5100. ;)

the_tunaman 03-09-2013 11:03 PM

I'd be up for a k11 also...

Farquhar 03-09-2013 11:07 PM

I am interested in a 96/11

ThemBastards 03-09-2013 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguin0123 (Post 10763381)
I'm in for a group buy... :)

Me too

Tekkno 03-10-2013 12:50 AM

Group buy!!!!

Guisan 03-10-2013 7:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airman Skitters (Post 10764193)
Interesting, I kinda figured that's where these were coming from, Private Owners and such who'd taken their "Issued" weapons on as their own or the like. My 1889 is "Private" marked if I recall...

This Seller is a reputable guy?

I'll ask Andrew, when I meet him next week, ok ? :D

Just spoke with him, can anyone recommend a good alternative 08FFL importer ?

Latigo 03-10-2013 8:11 AM

Just heard about this one this morning. My Dad was holding out on me! :D
I'm going to leave it alone. We have a lot of Swiss rifles and I really don't want to re-sell something that you guys want in a group buy, not to mention that my time is extremely limited for another month or so.

Andrew Zink. He's the seller and my Family has known him for a long time now. He's a dead straight arrow and a true stand-up guy. He also happnes to be our long time Swiss Products Distributor in Switzerland.

Is it a good deal? It's an excellent deal, and I can tell you that Andrew doesn't misrepresent anything at all. He's not a kid and has been in the business for a very long time. http://www.augustus.ch/

Hope you guys get them all. BTW, my Son Julian took 3rd in his first Moto last night and 4th in the second at the ArenaCross. He was racing against much more experienced 8 year olds. Julian is 6 and rides a Cobra 50

PolishMike 03-10-2013 9:33 AM

Wow someone bought it at the buy it now price. That's going to end up being $180+ per rifle. Still room there but out of my comfort zone

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Exodus343 03-10-2013 9:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PolishMike (Post 10768779)
Wow someone bought it at the buy it now price. That's going to end up being $180+ per rifle. Still room there but out of my comfort zone

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and it's sold...

CEDaytonaRydr 03-10-2013 9:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PolishMike (Post 10768779)
Wow someone bought it at the buy it now price. That's going to end up being $180+ per rifle. Still room there but out of my comfort zone

Yeah, still a pretty good price.

The 12 round mags were going to be a problem too...

PolishMike 03-11-2013 2:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CEDaytonaRydr (Post 10774286)
Yeah, still a pretty good price.

The 12 round mags were going to be a problem too...

I have a Hicap permit so not really.

Pretty good price if I were to keep them, not so much for resell.

eightmd 03-11-2013 4:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PolishMike (Post 10779473)
I have a Hicap permit so not really.

Pretty good price if I were to keep them, not so much for resell.

What is a hicap permit? I never heard of a permit to have hi cap mags in Calif.

CEDaytonaRydr 03-11-2013 4:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eightmd (Post 10780328)
What is a hicap permit? I never heard of a permit to have hi cap mags in Calif.

It's for FFLs that sell to cops, basically....


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