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Mike_Dee 03-04-2013 9:33 AM

High capacity mag question?
 
I have a 30 rd. Ram-Line magazine for my Ruger 10/22 from 1988. When hi-cap mags became illegal in 2000, people that previously owned them could keep them (grandfathered).

Since I'm not the best at keeping up with State politics, and all the proposed changes being discussed, I'm wondering if me owning this mag is illegal?

Can someone enlighten me? I don't need to be chalking up a felony, because of ignorance.

acolytes 03-04-2013 9:46 AM

You're good.

uxo2 03-04-2013 9:49 AM

And when that POS ramline dies which it will.
every ramline I ever owned was POS.

You buy a new rebuild kit to replace it.

Mike_Dee 03-04-2013 9:54 AM

Oooops, just noticed the legal section. Mods feel free to move.

Packy14 03-04-2013 9:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uxo2 (Post 10710410)
And when that POS ramline dies which it will.
every ramline I ever owned was POS.

You buy a new rebuild kit to replace it.

Only legal if parts are interchangeable.

Mike_Dee 03-04-2013 9:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uxo2 (Post 10710410)
And when that POS ramline dies which it will.
every ramline I ever owned was POS.

You buy a new rebuild kit to replace it.

Interesting. I've had this one for 25 years, and it works like a champ. Never one problem.

problemchild 03-04-2013 2:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uxo2 (Post 10710410)
And when that POS ramline dies which it will.
every ramline I ever owned was POS.

You buy a new rebuild kit to replace it.

Let me know how that works out for you in court after you spend 40k in legal fees and your freedom hangs in the balance.

Mike_Dee 03-04-2013 4:18 PM

Anyone know positively the answer to my question? This is serious stuff.

Kurgan 03-04-2013 4:45 PM

Since you owned it before the ban, you can legally own it now. Positively.

Merc1138 03-04-2013 4:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike_Dee (Post 10714181)
Anyone know positively the answer to my question? This is serious stuff.

Your question got answered in the first reply. If you don't believe that reply, go look through the CGF wiki for current magazine related laws.

paul0660 03-04-2013 4:48 PM

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Originally Posted by problemchild (Post 10713032)
Let me know how that works out for you in court after you spend 40k in legal fees and your freedom hangs in the balance.

Sounds like a bet. If that doesn't happen does he get a puppy?

vintagearms 03-04-2013 4:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike_Dee (Post 10710265)
I have a 30 rd. Ram-Line magazine for my Ruger 10/22 from 1988. When hi-cap mags became illegal in 2000, people that previously owned them could keep them (grandfathered).

Since I'm not the best at keeping up with State politics, and all the proposed changes being discussed, I'm wondering if me owning this mag is illegal?

Can someone enlighten me? I don't need to be chalking up a felony, because of ignorance.

Yes, it is currently legal for you to own.

Mike_Dee 03-04-2013 6:42 PM

Thank you gentlemen.

Steve_In_29 03-06-2013 9:52 PM

As an aside, I believe the only ones they can prove are NOT pre-ban are the steel lipped ones since that model came out post-ban.

Steve_In_29 03-06-2013 9:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uxo2 (Post 10710410)
.....You buy a new rebuild kit to replace it.

I know someone will correct me if I am wrong but AFAIK the only high-cap 10/22 mag that comes apart is the new (and obviously WAY post-ban) Ruger BX25s. All the rest are glued together from what I have seen.

Merc1138 03-06-2013 9:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve_In_29 (Post 10736846)
As an aside, I believe the only ones they can prove are NOT pre-ban are the steel lipped ones since that model came out post-ban.

First, there is no such thing as a pre or post ban magazine in CA, period.

Second, you can rebuild the plastic lip magazines with kits that have steel lips.

Third, even though this isn't really a factor, there is a 3 year statute of limitations. They would have to prove that your manufactured or imported the magazine within the past 3 years, and since possession is not illegal the burden of proof is on the state.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_In_29 (Post 10736876)
I know someone will correct me if I am wrong but AFAIK the only high-cap 10/22 mag that comes apart is the new (and obviously WAY post-ban) Ruger BX25s. All the rest are glued together from what I have seen.

So?

Merc1138 03-06-2013 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Killer Bee (Post 10736964)
Same as the pmag / usgi mag situation?

Asking cuz I don't own any but the kool-aid is tempting..

If you don't already own any, odds are you aren't going to be owning any. If you're asking if you can build them as 10/25's or whatever, yes you can.

Merc1138 03-06-2013 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Killer Bee (Post 10737124)
referring to repair solutions for 25 year old colt mags

For 25 year old colt mags that you didn't have, but have kool-aid? No, you can't buy rebuild kits and just assemble large capacity mags.

ke6guj 03-06-2013 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_In_29 (Post 10736876)
I know someone will correct me if I am wrong but AFAIK the only high-cap 10/22 mag that comes apart is the new (and obviously WAY post-ban) Ruger BX25s. All the rest are glued together from what I have seen.

that would be wrong. there are a few brands that come apart, such as the Tactical Innovations mags, http://www.tacticalinc.com/ti25-mach...022-p-212.html . But just because the original was glued together if you were to damage the mag body, why wouldn't you be able to use a bolt-together mag body to repair it?

Merc1138 03-07-2013 8:53 AM

It wouldn't be 'repairing' them with a pmag, it would be a repair. Stop with the quotes and kool-aid garbage.

uxo2 03-07-2013 9:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merc1138 (Post 10739706)
It wouldn't be 'repairing' them with a pmag, it would be a repair. Stop with the quotes and kool-aid garbage.

thank you

rman 03-07-2013 9:18 AM

You mean standard cap

Sent from my Apple Android

Steve_In_29 03-07-2013 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merc1138 (Post 10736878)
First, there is no such thing as a pre or post ban magazine in CA, period.

So the whole "grandfathering of already owned high-cap mags" didn't happen when the Ban went into affect and we have always been able to keep buying new production ones and use them openly on the range?

Quote:

Second, you can rebuild the plastic lip magazines with kits that have steel lips.
Got a link?

[quote]Third, even though this isn't really a factor, there is a 3 year statute of limitations. They would have to prove that your manufactured or imported the magazine within the past 3 years, and since possession is not illegal the burden of proof is on the state.[quote]
It can be a factor, if the newly "repaired" magazine consistes soley of BX25 repair parts.

Quote:

So?
So... if you have to destroy the mag to repair it then are you really repairing it or simply replacing it with a newly assembled high capacity banned magazine.

Merc1138 03-07-2013 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_In_29 (Post 10740501)
quote]
So the whole "grandfathering of already owned high-cap mags" didn't happen when the Ban went into affect and we have always been able to keep buying new production ones and use them openly on the range?

I don't get why this is so difficult to understand. Possession of large capacity magazines is not illegal per the CA penal code. There is no requirement in the CA penal code to have possessed the magazines before a certain date, or to only have magazines or components for those magazines manufactured before a certain date. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PRE OR POST BAN MAGAZINE IN CA. Other states like NY have had laws on the books at one point or another requiring nonsense like datestamps and pre-ban components, CA does not have any requirements like that.

Quote:

Got a link?
A link for what?

Quote:

It can be a factor, if the newly "repaired" magazine consistes soley of BX25 repair parts.
So make sure you can swap one of the parts between the bx-25 and whatever else it was, problem solved.

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So... if you have to destroy the mag to repair it then are you really repairing it or simply replacing it with a newly assembled high capacity banned magazine.
If you need to the repair the magazine then it was probably already busted in the first place, it doesn't matter if you need to break the glue apart. I can take a USGI 30 round magazine and run it over with my car, then rebuild it. There is no language in the CA penal code that requires all of the parts to be intact to be able to repair it. Same thing would apply to any other magazine.

edit: Have you actually read the PC regarding magazines here in CA? If not I suggest you go do it, then follow the law as worded.
http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/La...e_restrictions

Caligvla 03-12-2013 3:09 PM

I thought rimfire guns were exempt from the AW ban? Why can't you use a BX-25?

ke6guj 03-12-2013 8:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caligvla (Post 10789255)
I thought rimfire guns were exempt from the AW ban? Why can't you use a BX-25?

rimfire rifles are exempt from the AW rifle feature ban, rimfire pistols are not exexmpt from the AW pistol feature ban.

usage of a BX-25 in a rifle shouldn't be an issue. But, for a pistol, use of a BX-25 might create an AW depending on the pistol.




And the magazine transfer laws apply to rimfire magazines as well (with some exemptions for tubular magazines, which a BX-25 is not).


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