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atascadero 02-01-2013 8:42 PM

.22 for defense
 
Now I would never use a .22 for home defense unless I had no other option. Here is some food for thought. This article has some great stats on the .22 for defense at http://www.shootingillustrated.com/i...-self-defense/

Also a vid of different .22 rounds damage to balistics gel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=WDvdjdzB_ro

jyo 02-01-2013 8:55 PM

A 22, any 22, would not be an ideal choice for home defense---however, if that's what you had available, grab it and use it!

JackRydden224 02-01-2013 8:56 PM

.22 will work better than your fist or a knife.

If you got some hi-caps then it's even better. 25 rounds will at least keep you in the fight.

SA227driver 02-01-2013 8:56 PM

Plenty of people around the world, both good and bad, have been killed with the .22 cartridge.

sd_shooter 02-01-2013 9:09 PM

Ruger LCR 22 magnum! :-)

The meat:
Quote:

I checked the 22 magnum ammunition for penetration in ballistic gelatin, and all of the 40 grain ammunition penetrated between thirteen and fifteen inches, as did the 45 grain DynaPoint. Perfect.
Review:
http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-LCR22Mag.htm

The pic:
http://www.gunblast.com/images/Ruger...g/DSC06682.JPG

gunnlover 02-01-2013 10:00 PM

I can dot I's with my 22 at any range (with laser attached). So with stingers its lights out with 1-2 shots to the baby blues...

510Kal 02-01-2013 10:09 PM

its still all about shot placement

iron cannon 02-01-2013 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 510Kal (Post 10398505)
its still all about shot placement

+1
The man makes the gun not the other way round.

Bobby Ricigliano 02-01-2013 10:40 PM

I have always thought a Ruger 10/22 with a couple of BX-25 magazines stuffed with CCI Mini mags would make a formidable defense package.

roushstage2 02-01-2013 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SA227driver (Post 10397783)
Plenty of people around the world, both good and bad, have been killed with the .22 cartridge.

Indeed. Of course a .22LR isn't the "optimal" choice vs. a 12 gauge with 00 Buck (or insert your favorite choice here), but if it was the only firearm I had, I'd certainly take that over my hands, a knife or some random blunt object.

mark 02-02-2013 12:54 AM

Seeing as how Feinstein has now added 22 ar clones to her ban proposal they must be the devil. Like others have said shot placement is key. Remember though a person attacking while on pcp will be hard to stop even with a 45, but for most situations I believe if you can put the round where you intend it will stop an attacker. I use a 32 acp as my concealed weapon yes it is bigger but not by much. Do a google search for .22lr supressed sniper rifle you will see some country's use this as the silent killer to start an assault all boils down to shot placement.

1lostinspace 02-02-2013 1:01 AM

Shot a coyote with 10-22 and stinger 20 yards away and he brake danced for a sec then ran off

BSlacker 02-02-2013 2:55 AM

Rimfire kills a large number of humans every year. Doesn't mean it is a good defensive caliber. There's a huge number of guns out there that get handled and mishandled everyday. It is these huge numbers that account for the high numbers of rimfire deaths not its stellar stopping power. Only seeing these fatal numbers doesn't say how many were shot and ran away or continued the attack.
When out shooting my rimfires I seem to enjoy good reliablity but still get a jam once in a while. Lets say a good rimfire reliable number is 2 per thousand will misfire or jam. Well I have thousands and thousands of rounds down the tube of my centerfire HD pistol and not one jam or stoppage. Centerfire ammo makers will take one instance of a misfire and investigate the cause. Try to get the attention of anyone over a "few" misfires or jams. They will laugh and truck on.
Do you want that misfire or jam you know will happen at the wrong time. People who want to use rimfire for SD are misguided. And they have no idea how fast an attacker can cover the last 7 yards. Can you unjam your rimfire in that time? :)
If that is all you have go ahead and just choot em. :D

loosewreck 02-02-2013 4:04 AM

Better than a baseball bat. But you might want to keep the bat around for back up :D

BOOGIEMAN 02-02-2013 5:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1lostinspace (Post 10399782)
Shot a coyote with 10-22 and stinger 20 yards away and he brake danced for a sec then ran off

Like they said, shot placement!

plumbum 02-02-2013 6:20 AM

I would have no issues with a 10/22 stuffed with CCI Velocitors.

1lostinspace 02-02-2013 6:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOOGIEMAN (Post 10400326)
Like they said, shot placement!

Shot it right behind the shoulder.
Shot placement is limited when terminal ballistics are inadequate. It's not the first I have shot and ran off. Other then a spine or head shot it lacks the stopping power for coyote hunting. 22LR is not recommended for SD. If thats all you have so be it.

Normally I use .223 here is a 5.56 gelatin video.
http://youtu.be/PGgojSI62pI

44fred 02-02-2013 6:37 AM

Here we go again.

This is why I reload 22lr for home defense. 100% reliability with stopping power you wouldn't believe. .25gr Unique under my own design 400gr WLN bullet. My chronograph can't pick up fps but I know it's really down there.

1lostinspace 02-02-2013 6:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 44fred (Post 10400568)
Here we go again.

This is why I reload 22lr for home defense. 100% reliability with stopping power you wouldn't believe. .25gr Unique under my own design 400gr WLN bullet. My chronograph can't pick up fps but I know it's really down there.

400 gr .22 bullet lol

VegasND 02-02-2013 7:22 AM

Just curious about the bullet's BC. Fill us in?:p
Quote:

Originally Posted by 44fred (Post 10400568)
... my own design 400gr WLN bullet ...

And I'd use a .22 for defense if I didn't have any other firearm available. But I'd use a .25 acp before resorting to baseball bats or candlesticks.

ElDub1950 02-02-2013 7:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 44fred (Post 10400568)
Here we go again.

This is why I reload 22lr for home defense. 100% reliability with stopping power you wouldn't believe. .25gr Unique under my own design 400gr WLN bullet. My chronograph can't pick up fps but I know it's really down there.

Wouldn't a 400gr .22 cal bullet have to be like 6 inches long + the cartridge!!

Pretty hard to chamber those isn't it??

FredoSD 02-02-2013 7:32 AM

If given the choice I would not pick a .22 or even a .22 mag for self defence. However like my buddy BUBBA once said to me. "Let's test it out. I'll shoot you in the chest a cpl of times and see what happens". We didn't test it but I'm betting I would have felt some discomfort.

E Michael 02-02-2013 10:34 AM

What are you guys talking about, a 22lr is a perfect round for raccoon home invaders!

44fred 02-02-2013 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElDub1950 (Post 10400942)
Wouldn't a 400gr .22 cal bullet have to be like 6 inches long + the cartridge!!

Pretty hard to chamber those isn't it??

Not really, that's why I use a break open single shot.

003 02-02-2013 10:37 AM

You may want to try a .22 short case, it would give your more chamber room. Also consider going to a 390 gr bullet.

mcat707 02-02-2013 10:40 AM

.22lr for Self Defense? Heck ya! Try unloading a full mag of .22's into a bad guys face or neck and see if he gets up.

Mr. Beretta 02-02-2013 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mcat707 (Post 10402683)
.22lr for Self Defense? Heck ya! Try unloading a full mag of .22's into a bad guys face or neck and see if he gets up.



Agreed !

Mr. Gillious 02-02-2013 10:54 AM

I would totally use .22 for defense if that's all i had or if the conditions were met to use a 22. my 1022 shoots 1 inch groups at 50 yards. i think 10 rounds of 22 at the chest is gonna put someone down. If it doesn't then i'll run to the threat and start whacking him over the head with the ruger

Jason25 02-02-2013 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 44fred (Post 10400568)
Here we go again.

This is why I reload 22lr for home defense. 100% reliability with stopping power you wouldn't believe. .25gr Unique under my own design 400gr WLN bullet. My chronograph can't pick up fps but I know it's really down there.

I just imagined what a 400gr .22 would look like. Lol

AR22 02-02-2013 11:23 AM

I would not be afraid of using one of CMMG AR22s for self defense. 50 rounds will sure stop anyone. Very light at 5 pounds,easy to aim and accurrate to shoot in a small space. I could put those 50 in em pretty Darn quickly too.

Is it the perfect cartridge,no,but I personally would trust the right .22 model to do the job. I know one of the big arguments against .22 as self defense is they can sometimes have misfires and do so more than centerfire.

However if I use good quality .22 in mine and it never ever jams or has a dud round. But Murphys Law could be a problem,with my luck it probably would be:D .22 Rimfire has become alot more reliable than it used to be. Any weopon can fail at anytime. They are mechanical devices and mechanical devices usually fail at the most inopportune time,as we all know..

I would trust my CMMG to do the job if it ever actually did come to that. 50 rounds in a firearm, is sure a big advantage, in my theory anyway..

Legasat 02-02-2013 12:52 PM

Certainly not my first choice, but better than a rock or a stick.

Use what you have don't miss!

BonnieB 02-02-2013 1:08 PM

Why would you insist on using a .22 for home defense, when shotguns are cheap and available.

You don't want to stop the bad guy on the 5th round. You want to stop him on the first round.

covingtonhouse 02-02-2013 4:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason25 (Post 10402901)
I just imagined what a 400gr .22 would look like. Lol

Might need a shoulder thingy that goes up....

yelohamr 02-02-2013 5:59 PM

Way back in the last century, when I went to arrest fugitives, who were hiding in a motel or hotel, besides my service revolver, I carried a 10-22 with a folding stock.
If there was to be shooting on my part, I didn't want any rounds going through a wall.
Once, an officer said, The .22 makes small holes." I replied, "I have a 30 round magazine, it will make a lot of small holes."

superbarnie 02-02-2013 11:44 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1r_444CY

According to this video, the .22lr is plenty strong to kill people at close-medium range.

510Kal 02-02-2013 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcat707 (Post 10402683)
.22lr for Self Defense? Heck ya! Try unloading a full mag of .22's into a bad guys face or neck and see if he gets up.

or just start pointing it at the bad guys man area.

Safety1st 02-03-2013 12:30 AM

I doubt you'd feel undergunned with a KelTec PMR 22WMR. 30rds of 22mag moving at 1800fps is nothing to sneeze at.

1lostinspace 02-03-2013 7:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superbarnie (Post 10410727)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1r_444CY

According to this video, the .22lr is plenty strong to kill people at close-medium range.

Yes a 22 LR can easily kill a person but lacks the power to stop the threat unless a head shot occurs. What I am trying to say is the bad guy can return fire unless you hit a sweet part.
The advantage a 22 is that you can dumb 3 rounds to his one.

SilverTauron 02-03-2013 7:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1lostinspace (Post 10412052)
Yes a 22 LR can easily kill a person but lacks the power to stop the threat unless a head shot occurs. What I am trying to say is the bad guy can return fire unless you hit a sweet part.
.

This is true of ALL handgun calibers. The round which ended the 1986 Miami shootout was a .38 special fired out of a snub nose into the bad guys spinal cord. That same guy took multiple 9mm and 12 gauge hits without result.

The Hollywood image of the bad guy dropping dead after three shots is a myth. In real life bad guys won't even notice they've been hit-unless you put the lead into their CNS. A .22LR in the spinal column will stop even a committed PCP addict.

1lostinspace 02-03-2013 9:58 AM

I put 2 deer down that were hit by cars both were with RBCD ammo (snake oil ammo) one with 9mm and 45ACP both deer died as the shell hit the ground!
Internal over pressure from stretch cavity rushing blood back to the heart kills instantly!


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