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OneAvgWhiteGuy 01-16-2013 7:20 PM

Silver lining of a federal 10 round limit?
 
If it stands as written, allowing current owners to keep their existing standard capacity magazines, I foresee a lot more vendors offering rebuild kits for sale. Gun manufacturers may even begin shipping them unassembled.

voiceoftheright 01-16-2013 7:43 PM

Ya, I'm sure that is how it will go down.

c good 01-16-2013 7:49 PM

There is no silver lining if this becomes federal law again. It's simply another restriction on personal rights. JMHO....c good

uhlan1 01-16-2013 9:42 PM

OP! You funny man! Not sure what planet you from but you funny!

bsg 01-16-2013 9:49 PM

no 'silver lining' in any further restriction of rights for non-prohibited persons. no 'silver lining' in current restriction of rights for non-prohibited persons, either.

therealnickb 01-16-2013 10:16 PM

So you can buy parts is a good thing? What happens when you assemble and use one? Felony right?

DRUNKENMASTER 01-16-2013 10:38 PM

the silver lining is the pmag 10 rounders!

briguy64 01-16-2013 10:39 PM

I don't know how this is a silver lining...you would be a felon when you assemble the mags wherever you go.

smittty 01-16-2013 10:42 PM

There is a very very very small chance of a federal AW ban or hi cap ban.

Here in Cal we have our own issues to worry about with the proposed AW registration.

hermosabeach 01-16-2013 11:14 PM

So in 1994 the AWB was passed

All mags had the restricted label LEO / MIL only
No rebuilt kits were available to the public... I think that one double stack 1911 manufacturer was selling bodies for repair
Glock sold no mag bodies

Glock mags got up to the $100-$135 range. At least they do not wear out

So when the feed lips cracked on your mag or one was dented- it was a gonner

Rocksteady1 01-16-2013 11:15 PM

Although I could see a case being made federally that says the magazine restrictions are unconstitutional do to the Heller case in turn that might over turn state law. Wishful thinking?

mann0mann 01-16-2013 11:22 PM

My only thought of a silver lining is that it would maybe bring more handguns one step closer to meeting all of the California requirements we already have and maybe we might see some handguns on the list that we didn't have before...like an xdm where on paper, a 10 rd magazine (and of course drop test/payment) is what's keeping it out of California.

But that's just a misery loves company kinda of thought.

Sam 01-17-2013 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mann0mann (Post 10231184)
My only thought of a silver lining is that it would maybe allow us access to more models here in California....get more guns on the approved list.

How would that work?

Whatisthis? 01-17-2013 1:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mann0mann (Post 10231184)
My only thought of a silver lining is that it would maybe allow us access to more models here in California....get more guns on the approved list.

Let's be happy about errbody being f***ed over just so we can get some more handguns on the approved list... even when the "assault weapon" ban has nothing to do with CA's "safe" handgun roster. :facepalm:

No silver lining guys.

kf6tac 01-17-2013 1:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mann0mann (Post 10231184)
My only thought of a silver lining is that it would maybe allow us access to more models here in California....get more guns on the approved list.

The roster has nothing to do with magazine capacity, so a federal 10-round limit would do nothing to help get more guns on the roster.

HKMadness 01-17-2013 4:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uhlan1 (Post 10230300)
OP! You funny man! Not sure what planet you from but you funny!

:laugh:

Word.

M. D. Van Norman 01-17-2013 8:23 AM

The silver lining would be the preliminary injunction blocking enforcement of the federal ban, leading to the ban being stricken as unconstitutional under the common-use test in Heller and thus being applied to the California limit via McDonald.

FMFdevildoc 01-17-2013 8:29 AM

I just want to stand on the state line & piss all over California. Someday, by god, I'll move away. LOL.

bill_k_lopez 01-17-2013 8:39 AM

To the OP:

I really think you should sit down with yourself and think about what you just said.


Then, before the next time you make a statement about silver linings (or making lemonade out of lemons), you think about 10 day (or any day) waiting periods, on/off roster lists, bullet buttons, and all the other cr*p we have had to live with here in CA.

I'm here to tell you, that it used to be that you could carry a gun, loaded, openly on your hip here in Ca.
I'm here to tell you , that we used to be able to just sell a gun, any gun, to a buddy, or a complete stranger at a garage sale.
I'm here to tell you, that we used to be able to walk into a gun store, and walk out with a shotgun, rifle, or handgun.

Maybe you're a young guy, and have just grown up with all the nonsense those of us who have been around here for awhile have seen go away. There is no silver lining, there is no "good" thing about any of it.

gotshotgun? 01-17-2013 8:43 AM

If the feds issue such a ban, just as they did in 94, they will require any magazine that is produced after the ban to have a date stamp on it and some other info. So any mag kits sold would still have the date stamp and if you are caught with one of those even after "repairing" your old mag, you will be a goner.

Munk 01-17-2013 8:46 AM

This is akin to saying that the silver lining of being raped is, "hey, at least you're getting laid."

RickRyder 01-17-2013 9:38 AM

I think the biggest issue is that no matter what laws are passed, they will only work on people who by definition are law abiding. To make new laws now, I say too little too late. There are enough hi cap mags, AR's, etc... in circulation already between the US, Mexico and Canada. If a criminal wants to get his or her hands on anything, it will be just as easy today as it will be 10 years from now. Criminals are not going into gun stores and legally purchasing anything, not even ammo. There are so many numbers of sources that are off the radar. How many soldiers have tucked an extra magazine or 2 into their bags when returning from deployment? How many have already been sold? How many are holding onto them right now? How many of these guys are pissed off after being mistreated and lied to by their government? There are thousands of items unaccounted for out there in the world and they are all for sale at the right price. That is just 1 small example. The only people this will have any affect on is the people who follow the law.

LMTluvr 01-17-2013 9:48 AM

Silver lining?
Not so much.
But I'm sure Yee and his minions thank you for openly posting recommendations to further strengthen their attempts to eliminate the 2A. I mean what better way to eliminate loopholes but by talking about them on an open public forum. Good job!

LMTluvr 01-17-2013 9:48 AM

Silver lining?
Not so much.
But I'm sure Yee and his minions thank you for openly posting recommendations to further strengthen their attempts to eliminate the 2A. I mean what better way to eliminate loopholes but by talking about them on an open public forum. Good job!

the86d 01-17-2013 10:24 AM

If my children will not be able to have the same firearms and magazines WE can have, then freedom is lost... PERIOD!

FSCK YEE!

dfletcher 01-17-2013 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneAvgWhiteGuy (Post 10229525)
If it stands as written, allowing current owners to keep their existing standard capacity magazines, I foresee a lot more vendors offering rebuild kits for sale. Gun manufacturers may even begin shipping them unassembled.

What makes you think federal law will allow for rebuilding of presently owned greater capacity magazines? Also, are you aware CA is attempting to now ban "magrebuild kits"?

paul0660 01-17-2013 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M. D. Van Norman (Post 10233123)
The silver lining would be the preliminary injunction blocking enforcement of the federal ban, leading to the ban being stricken as unconstitutional under the common-use test in Heller and thus being applied to the California limit via McDonald.

That is the silver lining. The OP is way off base.

Btw I piss on California every day, off the deck, at about 6:30. There used to be a Google earth shot of that. In the summer of course.

robcoe 01-17-2013 11:13 AM

http://sfcitizen.com/blog/wp-content...ut-no-bear.jpg

That's like saying "at least they are letting us keep 10 round magazines"

All that will happen is the same thing that happened in New York, they will tighten up later.

missiondude 01-17-2013 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M. D. Van Norman (Post 10233123)
The silver lining would be the preliminary injunction blocking enforcement of the federal ban, leading to the ban being stricken as unconstitutional under the common-use test in Heller and thus being applied to the California limit via McDonald.

Yeah, this... lets see, I am almost 50, so by the time this goes down :oji:

rafbo 01-17-2013 11:59 AM

There is no silver lining...

It's matter of time till they'll decide 10 round mags are too much, let's go to 7 round magazines....

OOOPS, NY is proposing that

Striker 01-17-2013 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneAvgWhiteGuy (Post 10229525)
If it stands as written, allowing current owners to keep their existing standard capacity magazines, I foresee a lot more vendors offering rebuild kits for sale. Gun manufacturers may even begin shipping them unassembled.

Nothing good will come from an AW/hi cap mag ban. I'm all for background checks, more LEOs, better communication, enhanced sentencing for gun use in a crime etc etc. These are people control measures. You're limiting access for people who shouldn't have had access to begin with. You're adding time to the sentence of anyone who uses a gun in the commission of a crime and you're adding better communication among LEAs and more LEOs on the street, which helps in prevention.

An AW/hi cap mag ban doesn't do anything other than hinder the law abiding public. You're punishing the people who didn't do anything wrong and most likely would never do anything like any of the recent incidents. This is a people control issue, not an implement control issue and should be looked at as such.

kuletchi 01-18-2013 8:25 PM

NO, I DON'T THINK SO!

CSACANNONEER 01-18-2013 8:34 PM

Since new +10 round magazine bodies will be date stamped, they won't be able to be sold to or used by non LEOs or non military. The only "rebuild kits" will have to be manufactured prior to the date of a potential taking affect. No silver lining.

taloft 01-18-2013 8:50 PM

Yes, lets keep discussing the possible unintended consequences so that we can help them write even tighter laws.:facepalm:


ThE_LoNgShOt 01-18-2013 9:04 PM

Infringement on liberties in any way = EPIC FAIL!

Rickrock1 01-18-2013 9:10 PM

Quick, Did you see that little bunny.

Lead Waster 01-18-2013 9:29 PM

The silver lining for US is that more companies will make 10 round magazines, which means the ones we have to use will get cheaper.

CZ-75 10 rounders are (were) $45 a piece because it was a freak low run magazine. If the whole USA is forced to use them, they might come down in price.

CalNRA 01-18-2013 9:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lead Waster (Post 10251352)
CZ-75 10 rounders are (were) $45 a piece because it was a freak low run magazine. If the whole USA is forced to use them, they might come down in price.

Or it will stay 45 dollars because the manufacturers got the gun owners by the nuts.

VintageDUG 01-18-2013 9:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munk (Post 10233314)
This is akin to saying that the silver lining of being raped is, "hey, at least you're getting laid."

My new sig line. Thanks!!

ontmark 01-19-2013 1:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneAvgWhiteGuy (Post 10229525)
If it stands as written, allowing current owners to keep their existing standard capacity magazines, I foresee a lot more vendors offering rebuild kits for sale. Gun manufacturers may even begin shipping them unassembled.

Not a good thing. All the Gun Mfgs would have stock piles of the ten round magazines. This would be needed to fill all civilian orders. We do buy a lot more then LEO. The Standard Capacity magazines would be in limited supply. They would be produced in batches for LEO or Military contracts. Therefor fewer Standard Capacity Magazines would be stocked by local distributors due to the smaller market.


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