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zfields 01-14-2013 7:14 PM

CCW for us guys with a gut
 
Yes I know, another "which CCW gun" thread...but with a bit "extra" (har har).

Looking for a 9mm CCW, been looking at the m&p9c, shield 9,and the PX4 sub compact. Trying to stay in the $500 range.

Any others to look at?


Just a couple that I know didnt work for me...
XD9sub
baby glocks

6789olds 01-14-2013 7:21 PM

Sig 938

Roland Deschain 01-14-2013 7:32 PM

I'm no expert but I figure if you tell us how you are carrying it might help with the suggestions :)

joe_sun 01-14-2013 7:33 PM

I'm a pretty big guy and I found that they keys are a great belt and a great holster. I carry a Glock 23 when I wear jeans and a Kahr PM9 in the summertime. I have to carry at 430ish oclock position.

I've tried a ton of holsters and my favorite by far are the Crossbreed supertucks with combat cut. Once again I've tried a bunch of different belts and nothing works like the Wilderness tactical belts.

9mmlove 01-14-2013 7:45 PM

Zfeilds I always pictured you as some little white dude:)

Check out a hk p2000k in 9 or 40. Sweet little ccw. You may have to save a little more but I think it's worth it.

sholling 01-14-2013 7:53 PM

A lot will depend on the holster choice and the choice of clothing. Heavy plaid shirts break up the outline. I'm a bit on the fluffy side and I find that an M&P works well in these but everyone is different.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...4/e5a875bc.jpg
This is a very low riding Custom Carry Concepts Quick Cover IWB.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps52356239.jpg
This is a Black Dog Concealment OWB.

not-fishing 01-14-2013 7:55 PM

Those of us with DUNLOP (It Dun Lop'd over our belt) actually have an easier time than the skinny guys "concealing" a handgun.

Ever see a skinny guy with a S & W N frame on him?

He looks like he has a Buick on his hip. :D

http://www.rgrizzleleather.com/686CS.JPG

chrisf 01-14-2013 8:18 PM

Have you considered the sr9c? It's slimmer, but about the same size. I didn't like the m&p compact models very much, and I am a big m&p fanboy. The m&pc seems a little bulky for a compact model.

hitman13 01-14-2013 8:36 PM

Id go m&p9c, a very close second would be the SR9c. I CCW daily and love both. Give the ruger a chance, it's a GREAT pistol.

Whatisthis? 01-14-2013 8:57 PM

Like most it depends on how you carry and if you want to dress around it or not.

The Sig 938 would be awesome if you like cocked and locked.
If you want something smaller, PM9 size without the Kahr, check out the Beretta Nano and Sig P290RS.

If you want baby glock/M&P9c size, the M&P9c is fantastic. I'm a skinny guy and might have trouble concealing it without a sweatshirt if I'm doing any bending over. Carrying it correctly with a sweatshirt, I can get away with almost anything.

If you are looking for single stack, the Shield is probably about as good as it gets. The Beretta Nano and Sig P290RS should be thinner than the M&P9c but I don't think they are truly single stack (really don't know for sure). If you can work with the trigger and don't mind a safety, the LC9 has been good for many people. The Walther PPS is also good, just accessories aren't as easily found for it.

Then there is always the 2-3" revolvers. The LCR, SP101, and the S&W 686 come to mind. Most of this is personal preference.

Hope this helps.

Jet Setter 01-14-2013 9:06 PM

As others have suggested,check out the SR9c. Although, I find them bigger at the slide than a M&PC. I will be getting a M&P40c as my primary carry and a shield in 9 and 40 when they come in. However my FS M&P40 will also be on my CCW. Check out the combat cut crossbreed iwb holsters carried at about the 4 or 5 o'clock position. Should be perfect. A friend daily carries a Sig GSR in a crossbreed. He cannot say enough about how comfortable and easy it is to carry and conceal. Although, he carries at the 230 position. Go figure.

Personally, from your choices, I would choose a M&P9c over anything else (until the shield comes in).

HK Chef 01-14-2013 9:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by not-fishing (Post 10212049)
Those of us with DUNLOP (It Dun Lop'd over our belt) actually have an easier time than the skinny guys "concealing" a handgun.

Ever see a skinny guy with a S & W N frame on him?

He looks like he has a Buick on his hip. :D

http://www.rgrizzleleather.com/686CS.JPG

I love that holster. Where did you get that?

ZombieZoo 01-14-2013 9:15 PM

what exactly "didn't work"?

what o'clock were you trying to carry?


I'm not a CCW guy but I doubt MUCH diff in the carry part of CCW between various small guns, as far as how it will pinch your gut.

If you are stuck on 9mm(auto) and having probs with the carry part of CCW I'd try the Nano.

http://www.berettausa.com/products/nano/

Ironchef 01-14-2013 9:34 PM

G19 in a rocketman holster at 3:00. I'm quite a tub and I have no issues squishing this thing around in my day to day. In the cold weather like it is now (MT), I do OWB with a suede lined safariland ALS holster with jackets or sweat shirts covering..no big deal if they don't cover, it's Montana.

The Rocketman holster is priced well, made extremely well, is very minimal like the glock 19 is. I chose the G19 for the best weight/capacity/cost to shoot ratio which of course is $499 all day at AIM...when there's not a crazy gun buy panic going on...$535 for the Gen4 which is unneeded. The gen 3 G19 is a perfect gun.

Of course with your 10 round limit, might as well do a G30 or G26 I reckon. Or as I've done lately, OWB carry a big fat heavy Kimber Stainless II with 8+1!

Ryououki 01-14-2013 9:37 PM

I have quite the gut as well and the Ruger SR9c has been working quite nicely for me as my current preferred CCW.

ElDub1950 01-14-2013 9:42 PM

M&P 9c is a little bigger than the baby glocks, so it they didn't work the 9c likely won't either.

Seems like it won't be possible to find a retail Shield for a few more months.

I'm pretty 'fluffy' myself and the G27 works fine.

DriftinG Z32 01-14-2013 10:24 PM

Like some stated, give the Beretta Nano a try... I recently held one and found it to be a bit smaller and lighter than my Shield.

Javi 01-14-2013 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironchef (Post 10213104)
Of course with your 10 round limit, might as well do a G30 or G26 I reckon. Or as I've done lately, OWB carry a big fat heavy Kimber Stainless II with 8+1!

Z is exempt from limits like those :)

I too am surprised your not a skinny white guy :D

rsmorgan 01-14-2013 11:21 PM

What "works" as a CCW piece is far more a matter of holster and clothing than the gun size itself. I have "a bit of a gut" and have carried just about everything from a .25 Browning to a 1911. In general, I have found ways to be uncomfortable with the .25 (Thunderwear under tight jeans) and quite comfortable with a 1911 or Browning High Power (shoulder holster under a "tailored for carry" suit).

For typical IWB behind the hip carry, thinner is better, but I've spent quite a few 12 to 18hr days carrying a 6-shot snubby that way and have not had any problems so long as I wear 2" larger pants and a good gunbelt.

knerona 01-15-2013 12:03 AM

What degree of cant are you okay with? FBI style (15 degrees I believe) will tuck a larger handled gun better in most positions rather than a straight cant. Just IMO.

zfields 01-15-2013 3:53 AM

Main issue is in texas heat, overshirts / Jackets are not exactly fun to wear. I was looking at the desantis intruder or comp tac holsters.

Sent from my Incredible 2

bikr4jc 01-15-2013 5:06 AM

LC9 in a crossbreed at 7-8 oClock (lefty)

zfields 01-15-2013 6:50 AM

Anyone with experience on the Kahr CM9? Price is nice, but initially have heard some not so great things about them.

not-fishing 01-15-2013 7:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zfields (Post 10215133)
Anyone with experience on the Kahr CM9? Price is nice, but initially have heard some not so great things about them.

I've heard some problems with the plastic framed Kahrs that's why my main carry is a metal framed K40 with a great trigger. and I love it but then I'm more a wheel gunner

I do have a tiny pocket P380 but that's my better than nothing gun.

My Kahr K40 did drop it's old extractor after a few of dozen racks to clear type 2 & 3 on-handed with weak and strong hand using my belt. (it's one of those advanced "what you do if" techniques that is pretty extreme but worth knowing)

BigRich 01-15-2013 8:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zfields (Post 10215133)
Anyone with experience on the Kahr CM9? Price is nice, but initially have heard some not so great things about them.

I can't comment on the CM9 but I front pocket carry my PM9 every day. I am an obese bastid and I can hide my Glock 23 in in a CB Supertuck under my 5XB polo shirts. The fat just comes up and around the top of the holster so the gun is "faired in" and has no outline. The only advantage to being fat.

Charlie50 01-15-2013 8:41 AM

Seems to me the big guys can carry just about anything short of a 45-70 revolver! Sure might not be comfortable but better than the skinnnys. I am 20#s overweight, and its real hard to see even a full size pistol in a good IWB type holster on me.

Chukar Chaser 01-15-2013 8:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by not-fishing (Post 10212049)
Those of us with DUNLOP (It Dun Lop'd over our belt) actually have an easier time than the skinny guys "concealing" a handgun.

Ever see a skinny guy with a S & W N frame on him?

He looks like he has a Buick on his hip. :D

http://www.rgrizzleleather.com/686CS.JPG

Like the wood grips,they stock S & W ?

zfields 01-15-2013 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie50 (Post 10215726)
Seems to me the big guys can carry just about anything short of a 45-70 revolver! Sure might not be comfortable but better than the skinnnys. I am 20#s overweight, and its real hard to see even a full size pistol in a good IWB type holster on me.

I wasn't able to hide my xd 45c well at all.

Sent from my Incredible 2

knerona 01-15-2013 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zfields (Post 10214897)
Main issue is in texas heat, overshirts / Jackets are not exactly fun to wear. I was looking at the desantis intruder or comp tac holsters.

Sent from my Incredible 2

The Desantis intruder is pretty nice for the price. It's very comfortable, and it didn't take much time to break in. After a few days, I didn't like the 0 degree cant on it. With holsters being so damn expensive I decided to punch a new hole out and moved one of the loops to create an approx 15 degree cant. It hides the handle of my G23 very well now, and depending on the shirt I'm wearing it sits at 3 or 4.5 o'clock. Love it even more at that angle now and saved a little bit of money for the meantime.

winnre 01-15-2013 11:34 AM

I use a horizontal mag carrier.

negolien 01-15-2013 12:48 PM

Hum... I tried an IWB Desantis SofTuk with my 1911 and let me just say...Not gonna happen. Might be the size of the weapon might be the funky clip I don't know but It was a pain in the A** to get on and then stuck out like a sore thumb in anything but a small of the back carry. I guess I'll stick with my OWB Safariland paddle for now.

Damn True 01-15-2013 1:08 PM

Define "with a gut". The answer for a dude with a bit of a boiler is different than the answer for some tub of goo who can't see his feet and has a FUPA.

donny douchebag 01-15-2013 1:17 PM

Whats wrong with Khar? I carry a CW9 in a CB Mini Tuck. A great pistol that's also within your price range.

zfields 01-17-2013 8:43 AM

Thanks all.

I actually ended up with something I never planned on. Price was right, size is good, and I dig the feel of it overall.

Picked it up for just over 300.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e...116_165029.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Y...116_165046.jpg

zfields 01-17-2013 8:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damn True (Post 10217782)
Define "with a gut". The answer for a dude with a bit of a boiler is different than the answer for some tub of goo who can't see his feet and has a FUPA.

I can see my feet and penis.


Take a minute to visualize this.

Legasat 01-17-2013 10:10 AM

I really like the Shield 9. I saw that the new XDs 9mm single stack was announced at the Shot Show also.

HighLander51 01-17-2013 12:17 PM

G19 with a carry clip. Shirt tucked in so you can see.

http://www.californiavtxriders.com/p...image34479.jpg

tal3nt 01-17-2013 1:20 PM

Exposed trigger guard was the only thing holding me back from buying one of those belt clips^^^

Blademan21 01-17-2013 1:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe_sun (Post 10211807)
I'm a pretty big guy and I found that they keys are a great belt and a great holster. I carry a Glock 23 when I wear jeans and a Kahr PM9 in the summertime. I have to carry at 430ish oclock position.

I've tried a ton of holsters and my favorite by far are the Crossbreed supertucks with combat cut. Once again I've tried a bunch of different belts and nothing works like the Wilderness tactical belts.




^^^^Bingo! Might also look at the CW9.

chrisf 01-17-2013 5:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zfields (Post 10233284)
Thanks all.

I actually ended up with something I never planned on. Price was right, size is good, and I dig the feel of it overall.

Picked it up for just over 300.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e...116_165029.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Y...116_165046.jpg

Very nice price. Congrats.


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