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desertexplore 01-09-2013 8:09 PM

CHP ordered SIG M400 rifles?
 
Did a search, didnt find anything.

The word is CHP went with SIG M400 rifles for their fleet. Sig was not going to let S&W get the next contract and might have even taken a loss per rifle just to secure the contract.

Google search showed this-
Quote:

The CHP will apparently soon be replacing their AR rifles with the SS/M400. Many of their rifles are M-16 hand-me-downs from DOD and Colt HBAR Sporters.
Any other word or intel?

P5Ret 01-09-2013 9:52 PM

Haven't heard anything but I am not surprised. I have heard Sig is pushing hard for LE sales. Now that they are caught up with the federal orders.

beenawhile 01-09-2013 10:00 PM

I have a close friend that is CHP and he mentioned this last time we went shooting. He also said that he heard rumblings about switching to the m&p down the road too.

Anschiss 01-09-2013 10:06 PM

You don't need an assault weapon with muzzlebreakers to pop tires, a musket is just fine for that.

In all seriousness what's the reason for the change?

desertexplore 01-09-2013 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Anschiss (Post 10164920)
In all seriousness what's the reason for the change?

All of the ARs are old Govt Colt hand me downs or loaners.

From Goggle-
Quote:

Many of their rifles are M-16 hand-me-downs from DOD and Colt HBAR Sporters.

hitman13 01-10-2013 4:26 AM

M400s are nice rifles, got one at Walmart not too long.

curvejunkie 01-10-2013 5:19 AM

Yes, they are getting the M400s, and have started to receive (according to our CHP customers). San Joquin County Sheriff also are receiving 200 or 400, cant remember which, Sig rifles as well.

rolncode3 01-11-2013 6:20 PM

Sweet. Should be on the state contract then. Wonder what kind of pricing they negotiated?

desertexplore 01-12-2013 2:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rolncode3 (Post 10184197)
Sweet. Should be on the state contract then. Wonder what kind of pricing they negotiated?

Sounds like SIG did everything they could to secure this contract, even take a loss if needed. They were going to get it either way.

OCGunLover 01-13-2013 7:26 PM

Many of the rifles in CHP inventory are Vietnam era ARs. Im not sure the reason for the M400, they don't seem like they will fit in the Elektrolocks. CHP tested the Sig pistols but for some reason they went with the S&W despite the Sig testing much better. I think there were politics involved.

Bobby Ricigliano 01-13-2013 8:07 PM

The rifles we had in our station armory (NOT CHP) were old Colt / RRA Frankenbuilds with ridiculous slop and play between the uppers and lowers. The funny thing is, they all had newer Eotechs and they all worked fine. I took one to a 2 day carbine class (Because I had to) and this old beater rifle ran like a champ the whole time. They didn't win any beauty contests but I carried one every night and had utter faith in them.

IrishJoe3 01-13-2013 8:31 PM

I shot one of our Vietnam M16s. It was keyholing at 25 meters! :eek::eek::eek:

Mojave Desert 01-13-2013 8:43 PM

"I shot one of our Vietnam M16s. It was keyholing at 25 meters! "

The 1:12 barrels will do that with green-tips.
Make sure yours is loaded with 55gr bullets.

deadcoyote 01-14-2013 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertexplore (Post 10163550)
Did a search, didnt find anything.

The word is CHP went with SIG M400 rifles for their fleet. Sig was not going to let S&W get the next contract and might have even taken a loss per rifle just to secure the contract.

Google search showed this-

Any other word or intel?

As a disclaimer I'll say I don't work for CHP and know nothing of this, but... I have been impressed at what I consider to be a strong move by Sig to get agencies to switch to their guns. Offering up some really cheap prices to try to entice folks to go with their product. I wanted to do a personal buy but my chief says no bueno.:(

desertexplore 02-12-2013 8:36 AM

UPDATE- Per my contact the rifles are coming in batches of 10. His office was the first and says they are sweet to fire.

More info as it comes in.

calvin530 03-06-2013 6:15 PM

It's official CHP are getting Sig Sauer m400 in batches of 300 in each unit. OGGun you are right it doesn't fit in the Elektrolocks. But they have a new bracket that goes in between the Elektrolock and lowers the Elektrolocks 4.5 inches. How do I know all of this?? I install them for CHP. I've just installed 3 already.

rolncode3 03-07-2013 2:18 PM

Here's the request for bids. Closed last June.
http://www.bidsync.com/DPX?ac=view&auc=1921359

Still no contract I can find.

ETA: Here's all the responses to the bid. Looks like Sig won at $635 for the fixed and $695 for collapsible stocks.
http://www.bidsync.com/DPX?ac=awgrou...59&expandall=Y

oldmotor 03-07-2013 6:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calvin530 (Post 10735190)
It's official CHP are getting Sig Sauer m400 in batches of 300 in each unit. OGGun you are right it doesn't fit in the Elektrolocks. But they have a new bracket that goes in between the Elektrolock and lowers the Elektrolocks 4.5 inches. How do I know all of this?? I install them for CHP. I've just installed 3 already.

Only three? Our office has had them for two months. Great shooting rifle!

Ubermcoupe 03-07-2013 7:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolncode3 (Post 10743273)
Here's the request for bids. Closed last June.
http://www.bidsync.com/DPX?ac=view&auc=1921359

Still no contract I can find.

ETA: Here's all the responses to the bid. Looks like Sig won at $635 for the fixed and $695 for collapsible stocks.
http://www.bidsync.com/DPX?ac=awgrou...59&expandall=Y

Bids show 14.5 rifles. Are the new rifles NFA?

hitman13 03-07-2013 7:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ubermcoupe (Post 10746570)
Bids show 14.5 rifles. Are the new rifles NFA?

14.5 + standard compensator Id imagine... = 16

Manolito 03-07-2013 8:26 PM

I am having trouble understanding old is bad. The M-1 and the m-1A1 are old weapons that work just fine. I would guess the amount of rounds fired by the CHP in the rifle on their car is not very high.

Just appears to me we need new guns regardles or we have a budget. How often are they shot in anger?

Trade people bring their own tools to the job why is police work different?

desertexplore 03-07-2013 9:00 PM

What I heard are these old Colt govt rifles are worn and tired. It was time to finally upgrade to something modern.

IrishJoe3 03-07-2013 9:05 PM

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Originally Posted by desertexplore (Post 10747466)
What I heard are these old Colt govt rifles are worn and tired. It was time to finally upgrade to something modern.

This. See my post above about keyholing at 25 meters.

tonelar 03-07-2013 9:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ubermcoupe (Post 10746570)
Bids show 14.5 rifles. Are the new rifles NFA?

Aren't Mil branches and LE Agencies exempt from NFA rules?

Ubermcoupe 03-07-2013 9:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonelar (Post 10747665)
Aren't Mil branches and LE Agencies exempt from NFA rules?

Good point. Makes sense. :o

desertexplore 03-07-2013 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishJoe3 (Post 10747506)
This. See my post above about keyholing at 25 meters.

That maybe true, but I'm just passing along what I was told- the old Vietnam era rifles were getting tired and it was time for an upgrade.

mikel7070 03-07-2013 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OCGunLover (Post 10202657)
Many of the rifles in CHP inventory are Vietnam era ARs. Im not sure the reason for the M400, they don't seem like they will fit in the Elektrolocks. CHP tested the Sig pistols but for some reason they went with the S&W despite the Sig testing much better. I think there were politics involved.

CHP definitely needs new rifles. All of the ARs I've seen have the ole Vietnam era triangle foregrips. Glad to hear they are getting upgraded.

Arisaka 03-08-2013 7:16 AM

Too bad we can't have the parts kits. Dammit.

gregr 03-09-2013 2:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manolito (Post 10747135)
I am having trouble understanding old is bad. The M-1 and the m-1A1 are old weapons that work just fine. I would guess the amount of rounds fired by the CHP in the rifle on their car is not very high.

Just appears to me we need new guns regardles or we have a budget. How often are they shot in anger?

Trade people bring their own tools to the job why is police work different?

I'd love to bring my own tools from home; my agency doesn't share my enthusiasm!

deadcoyote 03-12-2013 12:15 PM

I just wanted to add re: keyholing at 25 meters. We also have a lot of DOD hand me down A1 type m-16s, I can't believe how many guys are totally unfamiliar with the specific issues regarding the real slow twist rate in those old barrels. If they (folks you're talking about) were trying to run heavier projectiles in that slow twist could that have something to do with it?

steelrain556 03-14-2013 9:32 PM

Confirmed yes we r getting sigm400's

slid349 03-14-2013 10:00 PM

A couple months ago at work I saw a SMPV with a Sig M400.

desertexplore 07-12-2013 2:59 AM

Bump- Any updates?

Hispanic_Hercules 07-19-2013 8:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertexplore (Post 10163550)
Did a search, didnt find anything.

The word is CHP went with SIG M400 rifles for their fleet. Sig was not going to let S&W get the next contract and might have even taken a loss per rifle just to secure the contract.

Google search showed this-

Any other word or intel?


It is not the word, it is a fact. All the CHP up here in Sacramento already have them in their cars. I was looking into purchasing one through the Sig officer program for a personal AR, so one of the CHP guys let me take a look at his. Nice guns, ambidextrious features stock from factory. Not a bad gun for the price. Plus it is a Sig so you know it's going to be a gluten for punishment!

desertexplore 07-19-2013 9:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hispanic_Hercules (Post 11859984)
It is not the word, it is a fact. All the CHP up here in Sacramento already have them in their cars. I was looking into purchasing one through the Sig officer program for a personal AR, so one of the CHP guys let me take a look at his. Nice guns, ambidextrious features stock from factory. Not a bad gun for the price. Plus it is a Sig so you know it's going to be a gluten for punishment!

Thanks. Yeah, my best buddy works there as well and he confirmed it at the time I posted the OP. We also ordered some M400s through the officer program and they should be in soon.

So do the Officers like the M400s so far?

Moemoe1 07-19-2013 9:53 PM

Why not jut get LWRCs? :D

003 07-20-2013 7:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonelar (Post 10747665)
Aren't Mil branches and LE Agencies exempt from NFA rules?

No, civilian LE agencies are not exempt from NFA requirements. The paper work still has to go in to ATF for any NFA weapon. The only difference is that there is no charge to LE agencies, and the approval comes back a bit faster.

desertexplore 07-28-2013 10:27 PM

I think we know by now that SIG wants into the CHP and California market really bad. May have sold the rifles at or below costs.

Hispanic_Hercules 07-28-2013 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moemoe1 (Post 11860665)
Why not jut get LWRCs? :D

I wish!!! I think we all know the answer 4 Sig M400's = 1 LWRC SPR.. LOL


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