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Thordo 12-05-2012 9:48 AM

THE FEATURELESS REVOLUTION HAS BEGUN!!
 
THIS THREAD IS FOR TECHNICAL QUESTIONS. PLEASE CLICK ON THIS LINK TO GO TO OUR SALES THREAD IN THE COMMERCIAL SALES FORUM FOR PURCHASING INFORMATION.
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Sydwaiz 12-05-2012 10:20 AM

I'd like to know if an A1 length will be offered. And why did you choose PC/ABS? Simply because they solvent weld the easiest? It isn't the best choice for chemical resistance. Many solvents and cleaners will easily ruin it. Since you are injection molding, why not use a better suited material and sonic weld the two halves together? Heck, I wouldn't even mind if the two halves were screwed together.
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Thordo 12-05-2012 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydwaiz (Post 9856623)
I'd like to know if an A1 length will be offered. And why did you choose PC/ABS? Simply because they solvent weld the easiest? It isn't the best choice for chemical resistance. Many solvents and cleaners will easily ruin it. Since you are injection molding, why not use a better suited material and sonic weld the two halves together? Heck, I wouldn't even mind if the two halves were screwed together.
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Hi Sydwaiz,
We will be offering LOP spacers once the rest of the tooling is up and running. The length for the base stock was chosen because it was by far the most common length in our survey. For now, slip on butt pad spacers are an easy way to increase LOP and they're cheap.

We went with PC/ABS for the machined run because it is the strongest, most cost effective, and bondable material commercially available. Despite its vulnerabilities to certain chemicals. We have tested the ABS against most gun lubes and solvents and it didn't have an effect. The molded production stocks will be 20-60% glass filled nylon.

Ultrasonic welding was one of the first options we looked at. The quote we got for the machine was $60K plus $20K for a custom horn plus 50 production stock halves for them to tune the horn with.

Small design alterations are inevitable over time and we didn't want to pay for a new horn and tooling every time.

Self tapping screws tore out in drop testing and imbedding inserts to use machine screws is time consuming and expensive.

Thordo

Singlekorn 12-05-2012 10:46 AM

Thordo had this prototype at the last Cow Palace show last month. I got to check it out and it makes the AR plarform feel like a sporter much more than Exile's product or those wraps.

I'll be picking one up for sure on my next featureless build.

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Sydwaiz 12-05-2012 11:01 AM

Actually, I would like a shorter LOP. A1 is about an inch shorter than the A2.

wizdumb 12-05-2012 11:18 AM

I'd love one of those receiver extension covers ("cheek flapper") for my pistol build!

Thordo 12-05-2012 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wizdumb (Post 9856942)
I'd love one of those receiver extension covers ("cheek flapper") for my pistol build!

We've thought about that too.

Thordo

spamsucker 12-05-2012 12:46 PM

Pricing?

Thordo 12-05-2012 1:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spamsucker (Post 9857539)
Pricing?

This thread is for general info and tech stuff. Go to our thread on Commercial Sales. I'll edit the top of the thread to let others know.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=650750

Thordo

Rust 12-05-2012 8:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydwaiz (Post 9856843)
Actually, I would like a shorter LOP. A1 is about an inch shorter than the A2.

The LOP actually feels a little shorter to me because your hand/wrist is further back. I feel a standard A2 fits me pretty well, but even though the total LOP is the same on the FRS-15 I like it with the pad a little better.

aznanimekid 12-05-2012 11:10 PM

yes i was wondering the same about shorter LOP. i use fully collapsed and was wondering if you were going to offer a shorter cut.

Sydwaiz 12-06-2012 7:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rust (Post 9860577)
The LOP actually feels a little shorter to me because your hand/wrist is further back. I feel a standard A2 fits me pretty well, but even though the total LOP is the same on the FRS-15 I like it with the pad a little better.

Good point. With a grip angle like that, shooting with too short a stock might put your wrist at an extreme and uncomfortable angle.

Triad 12-06-2012 8:05 PM

Thordo, I sent payment in today on mine.

Look forward to getting my hands on it.

Rust 12-06-2012 9:18 PM

It's not uncomfortable at the standard length, but I think if it was for some reason shortened up like an entry stock a normal sized shooter wouldn't be comfortable shooting it for an extended period. (Then again I wouldn't be comfortable shooting an entry stock for an extended period either) You can roll your hand over to the side though if you're choked up on the rifle to relieve the pressure on your wrist and that works well. I know Thordo's working on sourcing different sizes of butt pads too which should fit pretty much every one.

ShootinMedic 12-06-2012 9:27 PM

I got to play with it at the Sacramento show and like it a lot. I'll definitely be picking one up when they are out.

Thordo 12-07-2012 8:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShootinMedic (Post 9867980)
I got to play with it at the Sacramento show and like it a lot. I'll definitely be picking one up when they are out.

Hi Shootinmedic,

They're available now!! I should have them up on our website this weekend.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=650750

Thordo

Thordo 12-12-2012 5:36 PM

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Thordo 12-17-2012 3:37 PM

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TheBest 12-30-2012 9:39 PM

I'm new to this whole building thing and I'm putting my parts list together. The cover appears to use a carbine-length buffer tube?

Thordo 12-31-2012 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBest (Post 10064062)
I'm new to this whole building thing and I'm putting my parts list together. The cover appears to use a carbine-length buffer tube?

Correct.

Thordo

MFortie 01-21-2013 12:42 PM

Any idea when we'll see our buffer tube cover?

Thordo 01-21-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFortie (Post 10274890)
Any idea when we'll see our buffer tube cover?

Hi Mforte,

We're still on schedule for the third week of February.

Thordo

1stLineGear 02-20-2013 5:45 AM

I have two DPMS .308 Lowers coming in. Will this stock work on the said lowers?

Thordo 02-20-2013 7:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1stLineGear (Post 10588362)
I have two DPMS .308 Lowers coming in. Will this stock work on the said lowers?


It does fit the mounting point but there's no room for the web between thumb and finger to go because the receiver is longer than a standard AR lower. We are working on a design for .308 when we have time but it will be probably June or July before we have a prototype.

Thordo

Stanguns 03-07-2013 1:31 PM

I am very interested in this product, just wanted to verify it will fit with my mil-spec lower reciever or is it designed for commercial lowers. Thanks

REDPATCHUSMC 03-07-2013 1:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thordo (Post 10275034)
Hi Mforte,

We're still on schedule for the third week of February.

Thordo


End of the first week of March!

How we doing on this?

Thordo 03-07-2013 3:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REDPATCHUSMC (Post 10743026)
End of the first week of March!

How we doing on this?

It's still delayed. For how long, I can't say at this point. Fedex lost the First shot test parts in Alaska around 2/27 and they haven't found them yet. We haven't ordered the production run and I 'm about to pull what little hair I have left out!! I've asked the molder to send replacement parts in the hope that they get here before the lost ones arrive.

My apologies. This mess is totally out of my control at this point but I'll keep the main thread updated as I get info.

Thordo

Thordo 03-07-2013 3:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanguns (Post 10742785)
I am very interested in this product, just wanted to verify it will fit with my mil-spec lower reciever or is it designed for commercial lowers. Thanks

It'll fit both.

Thordo


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