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MIAMIbaseballer 11-28-2012 3:26 AM

PolyCase Ammo
 
"Reduced carbon emission," is their selling point? Really?

Has to be a trick, looks like Liberal ammo....

http://www.polycaseammo.com/

1000stars 11-28-2012 3:38 AM

If it is cheaper to shoot I am in!

ElDub1950 11-28-2012 3:43 AM

Seems odd that someone would decide to start out with only 380. :rolleyes:

MIAMIbaseballer 11-28-2012 3:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 1000stars (Post 9805713)
If it is cheaper to shoot I am in!

Have you seen the prices??????

cycle61 11-28-2012 5:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MIAMIbaseballer (Post 9805703)
"Reduced carbon emission," is their selling point? Really?

Has to be a trick, looks like Liberal ammo....

http://www.polycaseammo.com/

It'll probably group to the left. Gotta adjust my sights again!?

SixPointEight 11-28-2012 8:33 AM

It's been around a while: http://www.pcpammo.com/

Full Clip 11-28-2012 8:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ElDub1950 (Post 9805717)
Seems odd that someone would decide to start out with only 380. :rolleyes:

Yeah, but, "Assembled in PolyCase state-of-the-art cartridge cases, these bullets consistently deliver the deep terminal penetration needed for one-shot kills."

.380 ammo generally seems to be overpriced and undersupplied. Maybe they thought there was an opportunity there?

Fyathyrio 11-28-2012 8:39 AM

Nearly a buck a round for .380? No thanks, I'll just keep rolling my own.

GA Gunner 11-28-2012 11:09 AM

I am not a representative of Polycase, but I have been following them through a friend that is close to the company. First, I can tell you this is by no means liberal ammo (whatever that is). The owner is a retired Army officer and very far to the right politically. I thought it interesting that someone thought that 'Green" is their "selling point", I have never picked up on that. It should be cheaper across the board. I guess the XTPs are higher, but I was told that it should be cheaper in general. Polycase is in no way connected to PCP Ammunition. PCP has been working on rifle ammo for about 3 years. Polycase is doing only pistol ammo for now. They say .45 acp will be ready for SHOT Show in mid-January. See the Article at Guns.com for more info.

SixPointEight 11-28-2012 11:31 AM

$20.50 for .380 XTP Hollow Points from Poly Case, nonreloadable
$22.55 for .380 XTP Hollow Points from Hornady Brass cased, reloadable

For me to buy poly case ammo, it would have to come in at a price point similar to steel/aluminum due to its non-reloadable nature

CEDaytonaRydr 11-28-2012 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MIAMIbaseballer (Post 9805703)
"Reduced carbon emission," is their selling point? Really?

They've been "playing" with this for years... :rolleyes:

GA Gunner 11-28-2012 12:08 PM

I agree with CEDaytonaRydr, this is not the first crack at polymer ammo. However, I am optimistic about this stuff though. From what I understand about previous attempts there was always a problem of the rim separating from the plastic case. I have fired about 100 rounds of Polycase personally and have not had that issue. I haven't even seen any partial separation. The folks in the company have fired thousands and they say there are no issues with tearing away. From what I am told about the proprietary design it is almost impossible to pull the rim from the polymer with the force of an extractor.

Fishslayer 11-28-2012 7:19 PM

Why would I buy non reloadable plastic ammo when I can be green and recycle my brass cases? :confused:

dynamomark80 12-02-2012 7:28 AM

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Originally Posted by stilly (Post 9828689)
But, but, BUT YOU CAN GET THEM IN PINK! John, Think of it! The FUTURE of gunning is all about plastics! Imagine when they figure out a way to attach CIA letter openers to the bullets, THEN they will have FBI only bullets! It is only the future. When the Chinese made the first gun 2 million years ago (which, given the current state things, I find hard to believe that the chinese really invented anything, I think someone else did and they copied it but until I find that hard proof I will hold off that theory for now) you KNOW they were sitting around thinking how they could make it in plastic! Now the chinese FINALLY invented plastic AR-15 lowers that can be printed from their epsons! It is just the way it goes man... The chinese invented the silver plastic discs that ended up replacing records and cassettes and then America made the BIGGER cassette and then the Chinese invented ANOTHER disc that was 5th dimensional (how else can you explain a disc that looks the same size, yet holds about 8 times as much pron?) So you see, John, my friend, buddy, pal for life, just accept it and go with the flow because they DO have friends that are watching us. Friends that still use metal if you know what I mean and they have very long arms... Besides, you can get them in pink and support the local tatas movement!


thank you thank you, yes, I have won an emmy for that...


Please no fact checking and no correcting this... :O


love your posts. cracks me up thinking about the pron in the 5th dimension.
my mind is blown

back on topic I have shot and still have some 223 that is this "plastic" case. I used it in a bolt action Savage and in a Colt AR. In both instances it shot like crap vs the cheap American Eagle and the Winchester i had at the time. The shots were about 16-18 inches low at 200 yard when compared to the other brass. I also had a few cases get stuck in the chamber, not good. If this stuff is prone to the same sticking many have associated with poly case stuff it would be very bad in a self defense situation. 380 is not all that powerful and follow up shots may be needed to ward off a perp. if the poly case acts up and fails to allow 100% reliable function of the firearm it should remain as target/plinking ammo and not for SD carry.

DuknBucks 12-02-2012 8:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cycle61 (Post 9805844)
It'll probably group to the left. Gotta adjust my sights again!?

LOL!

Cowboy T 12-02-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishslayer (Post 9810668)
Why would I buy non reloadable plastic ammo when I can be green and recycle my brass cases? :confused:

You said it, Fishslayer--AMEN. Reloaded ammo that you made yourself is about the most "Liberal" enviro-greenie ammo you can get! :D

It's even more enviro-greenie if you cast, 'cause then you're also recycling lead, keeping it out of the landfills.

Where's Greenpeace when we need 'em? :43:

Quote:

PolyCase Ammunitionís single-use cases prevent reloading, thereby ensuring only highly reliable, non-reloaded ammunition is used by consumers and public security forces.
Hmm...sounds to me like this company doesn't want us to reload. Their implication is that reloaded ammo is not "highly reliable". Whoops. That's a red flag right there. No thanks, I'll stick to Boxer/brass.

They want to really be green? They ought to be encouraging the Euros to switch from Berdan to Boxer.

bloodhawke83 12-02-2012 11:58 AM

Wouldn't these deform if they stay in the mags too long like 12g in saiga mags?

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mif_slim 12-02-2012 8:17 PM

GAG reminds me of that one guy defending the double trigger AR... :) just saying..

Nick Justice 12-04-2012 2:24 PM

IIRC there was a company offering plastic .38 Spl. cases in the 80's. Thay claimed that the cases were reloadable, and offered a hand press to do it. Anyone here remember them?

dynamomark80 12-04-2012 4:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mif_slim (Post 9838785)
GAG reminds me of that one guy defending the double trigger AR... :) just saying..

best invention ever! :eek:

:facepalm:

anyone live in Sacto. and wants to try some poly in 223? I have about 50 of them left just dont cry to me when the get stuck in the chamber

PolyCaseAmmunition 12-13-2012 9:15 AM

Thank you all for your feedback, both positive and negative on our new product. As readers of Calguns.net we would like to offer you a discount code for 10% off any order on http://shop.polycaseammunition.com with the code CALGUNS. We also have just implemented a promotion for FREE shipping on 50 Round boxes of our .380 XTP ammo.

We at PolyCase Ammunition are not suggesting that our ammunition is the end all, cure all for ammunition. Each shooter will have to determine how they like the feel of our ammunition in their weapons and if polymer is right for them.

Chief-7700 12-13-2012 9:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Justice (Post 9851316)
IIRC there was a company offering plastic .38 Spl. cases in the 80's. Thay claimed that the cases were reloadable, and offered a hand press to do it. Anyone here remember them?

Speer fired a plastic bullet with a small pistol primer.

Capt.Dunsel 12-14-2012 9:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief-7700 (Post 9911613)
Speer fired a plastic bullet with a small pistol primer.

That was "practice ammo"

Anyone here remember Eclipse shot shells , reloadable, 100% plastic

Or am I showing my age?:oji:

Fishslayer 12-15-2012 1:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt.Dunsel (Post 9924191)
Anyone here remember Eclipse shot shells , reloadable, 100% plastic

Or am I showing my age?:oji:

Nope. I remember those. IIRC the beef with them was that they weren't reloadable or had a very short life due to the plastic rim?

Back in the day I think a lot more people reloaded shotshells. They didn't have $22/100 boxes from Wally World back then.

Carsgunsandchics 12-15-2012 1:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dynamomark80 (Post 9852064)
best invention ever! :eek:

:facepalm:

anyone live in Sacto. and wants to try some poly in 223? I have about 50 of them left just dont cry to me when the get stuck in the chamber

Yeah. I'm game.

Capt.Dunsel 12-15-2012 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fishslayer (Post 9927988)
Nope. I remember those. IIRC the beef with them was that they weren't reloadable or had a very short life due to the plastic rim?

Back in the day I think a lot more people reloaded shotshells. They didn't have $22/100 boxes from Wally World back then.

Been reloading them for years so they are reloadable , and have held up pretty well for many, many years ( shoot trap , alot)

Carsgunsandchics 12-16-2012 6:26 PM

Interesting that they say it'll help be green. Isn't that what was said about shopping bags when going from paper to plastic?

Carsgunsandchics 12-17-2012 5:41 AM

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Originally Posted by stilly (Post 9938922)
Hey I found a really ODD shell today. Maybe it was just that way from being in the ground, but it was a small steel shell with a primer and then a stem and a piece of plastic like a cug or in this case like a plastic goblet sticking out of it. Anyone ever see anything like that before? I will haev to find it and get some photos. It was in a bucket of lead that I yanked from a tresspassing taliban tweaker last year and as I was going through it I noticed this piece that stood out to me...

Almost sounds like a Dupo shotgun slug. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/769...-free-box-of-5

dynamomark80 12-17-2012 1:48 PM

like this
http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps821ba354.jpg

dynamomark80 12-17-2012 1:57 PM

sticker on the box say it has 55gr fmjbt

RoundEye 01-26-2013 3:02 PM

Ran across Polycase at SHOT Show 2013, and had the chance to shoot about 400 hundred rounds, and you'd expect it to be different, but it's not.

They let me take a few hundred round home, so here is a quick review.



They currently only have .380, but they told me that 9mm and .45 are in the works. If it's cheaper, I'll definitely look at it for matches and practice.

Wrangler John 01-27-2013 5:55 AM

Oh boy, another miracle ammo development. Anybody ever heard of the Dardick Pistol? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardick_tround The Dardick Model 1500 was a magazine fed REVOLVER that used nylon encased trounds for ammunition. Here's a longer video explaining the whole concept: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKE2YwtcTXE

Then there was the Gyrojet firearms that had little spin stabilized mini rockets for ammunition. I actually was at a demonstration of the Gygrojet pistol and carbine that was held at the Coyote Point Rifle and Pistol Range when I worked there. No case at all, the entire little rocket was the bullet, so the firearm was very light, in fact the barrel had holes through it to allow the rocket exhaust to escape. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet

Then there was the Daisy VL .22 rifle that used caseless .22 ammo. The bullet was bonded to a propellant that was ignited by a hot blast of air from a conventional spring piston air gun mechanism. The system didn't produce any advantages over the conventional .22 RF system so it was manufactured for only a couple of years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_V/L

So it goes, every now and then someone comes up with some new ammunition innovation, steel cases, aluminum cases, polymer cases, hybrid cases, no cases. One of the earliest firearms was the Volcanic Rifles and Pistols which was nothing more than a hollow bullet filled with powder that was held in place by a priming disk. http://www.winchestercollector.org/guns/volcanic.shtml

As for me, I'll stick to brass cases. No matter what cleverness we possess, somethings are just not able to be improved, such as the toilet seat.

Bill Steele 01-27-2013 8:56 AM

It is funny, when the plastic handguns first came out I had the same kind of feeling for them as many do for plastic ammo on these threads. Now my 10mm glocks are my "go to" handguns, of course they still are in the "go to if nothing longer is close enough" category, but definitely top of the sure thing ladder in handguns.

I know a lot of guys that have sworn for decades they would never reload, fewer these days, but still many. If Ben Bernanke gets his way with commodity prices (and all other prices), polycased ammo might be in everyone's future that don't have Joe Logic's horde of brass. Just sayin... :)


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