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arslin 11-14-2012 7:44 PM

Reloading for 7.62x54r
 
Ok I just got my hornady 8th edition, and some new bullets. Hornady 3130g, and 3135c. Of course there is no data for my bullets. 3135 is a .311. It does have it for a nearly identical bullet 30302 sst. The only difference is that the data for 30309 is 308 and not boat tailed.

Does that matter?

When looking data. What is the important part... The boat tail, the tip (sp,hp,etc.), or the diameter. Im sure the grains is most important. For 150gr., they do not even have data for any .311.

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arslin 11-14-2012 7:47 PM

30302 not 30309

Beetle Bailey 11-14-2012 9:42 PM

http://www.hornady.com/store/9th-Edi...ading-Manual3/

Hornady just came out with the 9th Edition so hopefully they have load data for your new bullets. Try calling Hornady to get load data for those bullets. I've heard they are quite helpful.

Kappy 11-14-2012 9:49 PM

I got a book from gun-guides. If you need a load, PM me. I'll see what I can find for you.

7.62x54R isn't often reloaded because of how cheap the spam is... and the truth is that the spam is possibly the highest quality spam out there. That being said, I do like to load my rounds down a bit.

I'm sure it makes a difference somehow, but when I find a recipe, for the most part I just find one with the same weight and material (jacketed or lead). I haven't blown anything up yet. I do seat my rounds out as far as possible, so that should help with over-pressurizing.

Cowboy T 11-15-2012 6:17 AM

Yep, call Hornady. +1.

For others in a similar situation, generally you can safely use the starting data for a bullet of the same, or next-higher, mass, and then work up from there. I had to do this for some of my cast boolits 'cause there aren't any published load data out there for 'em.

Traditionally, 7.62x54R didn't get a lot of love here in the USA 'cause of the cheap (and yes, good quality) milsurp, and the low numbers of Mosins. Given that these rifles are now increasing a lot in popularity ($100 full-power .30-cal rifle?? Heck, yeah!), I suspect that we'll see more load data for this round as time progresses.

Agustav 11-15-2012 6:43 AM

Just reload for the same weight and work up your load...

arslin 11-15-2012 7:18 AM

I have the spam cans... Already sent an email to them. The new edition came out a week after I made my order. Oh well.

Jack1939 11-17-2012 12:06 PM

You should download mew torrent and then google "reloading torrent/" Then you can download the "reloading torrent" and it has many reloading manuals in pdf form. At least 5 or 6 of the manuals in this torrent have load data for 7.62x54R. Lyman used .311" and .312" bullets for working up their published loads and the torrent contains two editions of the Lyman manual (one old one new). Funny that the old Lyman manual from the 1960's says not to use anything but .308 bullets in a mosin, then the newer Lyman manual (from the 1990's) uses .311 and .312 bullets in their mosin that had a .313 bore...

But yeah, using data for .308 bullets is not a big deal if you are using starting loads... Having said that, I did get flat primers when I used 47 grains of Varget with a 150g .311 bullet in my 1939 .313 bore mosin, and 47 grains is the starting load for Varget in the LEE manual (same load data as the hogden website, and that was worked up using 150g .308 bullets). In the Lyman manual .312" 150g hornady bullets have a max charge of 48g Varget... Which is why I like to look at data from several different manuals before working up a load.

http://www.utorrent.com/

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6175275

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/44925...eloading_Books

http://kat.ph/search/reloading/

Flouncer 11-17-2012 4:02 PM

Old Old Old
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack1939 (Post 9741697)
Funny that the old Lyman manual from the 1960's says not to use anything but .308 bullets in a mosin, then the newer Lyman manual (from the 1990's) uses .311 and .312 bullets in their mosin that had a .313 bore...

The old data, and that's old, is from the 60's. That's cold war times. No data from the USSR. The .308 is probably for Finnish Mosin with .308 instead of Commie .311 diameter bullets. Does that fly ??

Vlad 11 11-17-2012 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowboy T (Post 9726873)
the low numbers of Mosins.

I dont think the number of Mosins in the US is low. They have been selling out by the crate load for 20 years now. And they were $49 only a short time ago.


OP.. what powders do you have on hand?

Kappy 11-17-2012 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack1939 (Post 9741697)
You should download mew torrent and then google "reloading torrent/" Then you can download the "reloading torrent" and it has many reloading manuals in pdf form. At least 5 or 6 of the manuals in this torrent have load data for 7.62x54R. Lyman used .311" and .312" bullets for working up their published loads and the torrent contains two editions of the Lyman manual (one old one new). Funny that the old Lyman manual from the 1960's says not to use anything but .308 bullets in a mosin, then the newer Lyman manual (from the 1990's) uses .311 and .312 bullets in their mosin that had a .313 bore...

But yeah, using data for .308 bullets is not a big deal if you are using starting loads... Having said that, I did get flat primers when I used 47 grains of Varget with a 150g .311 bullet in my 1939 .313 bore mosin, and 47 grains is the starting load for Varget in the LEE manual (same load data as the hogden website, and that was worked up using 150g .308 bullets). In the Lyman manual .312" 150g hornady bullets have a max charge of 48g Varget... Which is why I like to look at data from several different manuals before working up a load.

http://www.utorrent.com/

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6175275

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/44925...eloading_Books

http://kat.ph/search/reloading/

Odd. I used that Varget recipe (or one close to it) with no problems.


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Cowboy T 11-18-2012 7:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlad 11 (Post 9744757)
I dont think the number of Mosins in the US is low. They have been selling out by the crate load for 20 years now. And they were $49 only a short time ago.

There's been a huge up-swing in their popularity, though. Remember why those Mosins were selling for $49 a short time ago--Mauser 98's were still cheap and plentiful, as was the milsurp ammo. Furthermore, being "German guns", they were (incorrectly) viewed as "better" rifles than Mosins, plus in a pinch you could make 7mm and 8mm Mauser rounds from plentiful (for many years) milsurp .30-06 cases. That's going to help reloading a lot. The 7.62x54R doesn't have a Mauser-based case head, so you can't form 'em from any other case (thank God we copied the Germans so slavishly back in the 1900's--it's been paying off for us since). Basically, a Mosin was a harder "sell" than a Mauser, hence the $49 price for so long. Yes, Remington made 7.62x54R for a while, but it wasn't in every corner hardware store like .30-06 was/is.

Nowadays people are learning better. Now that the inexpensive German Mausers have risen in price--just like SKS's have--Mosins are now the "affordable" milsurp rifle, and cheap milsurp ammo remains available for now. Prvi Partizan is now producing affordable Boxer/brass 7.62x54R for sale over here, and it's actually good stuff. That means we're now seeing increased brass availability. That means more potential reloading for this cartridge, which is a good thing.

I predict that subsequent reloading manuals will reflect these recent developments and will gradually start including more 7.62x54R data in them. They really ought to, because it is a fine, grand old round...and certain loadings of it will indeed match .30-06 ballistics. I'd love to see some Hodgdon Superformance data for it, given how they tout that powder for .30-06.


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