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Bugguts 10-26-2012 9:21 AM

Re-holstering dilemna...
 
Let me start by saying that I carry using a belly band. Easiest and most convenient for me. Tomorrow we are going to the range and this will be the first time back at the range after getting my CCW and I have this issue that I am not sure how to work with.

I plan on using both guns and plan on carrying(and alerting staff as I am supposed to) so after I am done shooting, I need to re-holster one of my guns. I wear the belly band kind of low across my hip area and in order to re-holster, I have to unzip and open my pants to holster and then re-zip my pants. Have I lost you yet? LOL I can't carry a loaded gun openly through the store part of the range to go to the ladies room and holster my gun, so how do I do this discreetly? It's only a concern when I go to the range for practice since if I ever need to use it in public, I would probably not be re-holstering right away and would not be concerned about it but this is my problem when it comes to practice and range time. Thoughts?

PM720 10-26-2012 9:26 AM

I was going to go with the obvious answer of just unzip and holster/cover on the firing line but that may be a distraction for the other shooters! ;)How about carry it UNloaded to the ladies room, load up and holster, zip up of course and you are all set. As long as it's concealed no biggie right? :confused: Either that or do it in the car?

Scott

Bugguts 10-26-2012 9:35 AM

Thanks, can't do it in the car, not enough room and the last time I did anything in a car, I was rewarded by two boys ;) LMAO Sorry, that was inappropriate.

I thought about putting it unloaded in my range bag along with my other guns and stuff and then taking the range bag to the bathroom with me so that might be the best option.
Thanks!

johnny_22 10-26-2012 10:26 AM

Practice at home with a "Blue Gun"
 
I bought 2 blue guns (Midway USA has them) for just this reason. I use inside the waistband holsters and want to make sure I don't angle towards my body when reholstering.

I would worry about the pants falling down. With my keys and wallet, that is the tendency when my belt is loose.

Once you are confident at home, try it for real at the range.

Bugguts 10-26-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny_22 (Post 9595776)
I bought 2 blue guns (Midway USA has them) for just this reason. I use inside the waistband holsters and want to make sure I don't angle towards my body when reholstering.

I would worry about the pants falling down. With my keys and wallet, that is the tendency when my belt is loose.

Once you are confident at home, try it for real at the range.

You may have misunderstood me. I am not uncomfortable with holstering my weapon, I do it every day but in order to reholster, I do have to undo my pants because of how low I wear my belly band. It's not a question of being comfortable with holstering, just how to reholster without showing my undies after I've done range work.

BonnieB 10-26-2012 10:54 AM

This is the time to bring along a (spare) really long T or sweatshirt. Face into your shooting bay or a corner. Pop the oversized shirt over your head, hands inside, do your adjustments and pop it off again. French women do this ll the time on the beach , going from dress and heels to bikini in 3 minutes flat. It is an art form. But you can do it, because I've done it. It looks funny to Americans, but it works, isn't offensive.

Only teenage boys stare when they see someone zipping up unzipped pants anyway. Most adults just look away.

Thanks for a creative carry question, something new to kick around.... And don't forget to re-load.

SilverTauron 10-26-2012 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugguts (Post 9595442)
Let me start by saying that I carry using a belly band. Easiest and most convenient for me. Tomorrow we are going to the range and this will be the first time back at the range after getting my CCW and I have this issue that I am not sure how to work with.

I plan on using both guns and plan on carrying(and alerting staff as I am supposed to) so after I am done shooting, I need to re-holster one of my guns. I wear the belly band kind of low across my hip area and in order to re-holster, I have to unzip and open my pants to holster and then re-zip my pants. Have I lost you yet? LOL I can't carry a loaded gun openly through the store part of the range to go to the ladies room and holster my gun, so how do I do this discreetly? It's only a concern when I go to the range for practice since if I ever need to use it in public, I would probably not be re-holstering right away and would not be concerned about it but this is my problem when it comes to practice and range time. Thoughts?

Practice re-holstering at home, and transport the piece you plan to shoot at the range in its factory box. When done, box it up and leave. I've had my CCW for two years now, and while taking a holstered gun in to shoot is legal I don't do it for two reasons.

One,even factories get ammo wrong sometimes. If you take your holstered carry gun to the range and shoot a squib load or heaven forbid a double charged round that takes your piece out of action, you're defenseless during the trip home.Swapping guns won't work if the other pistol doesn't fit in your holster.

Two, the act of drawing a gun out of a holster makes people justifiably nervous. Even if the range officer is OK with the idea, a fellow shooter who sees you draw a gun from a concealed holster in your person might get the wrong impression. While the likelihood of something happening from it isn't high, its not zero.

Thus its wise to go to the static range to practice shooting and the fundamentals thereof, and save practicing the tactical stuff like re holstering, reloading, drawing , etc for your own home. I speak from experience when I say that your mental training wont care that you learned to draw from concealment with a blue gun or the real deal.

Bugguts 10-26-2012 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieB (Post 9595900)
This is the time to bring along a (spare) really long T or sweatshirt. Face into your shooting bay or a corner. Pop the oversized shirt over your head, hands inside, do your adjustments and pop it off again. French women do this ll the time on the beach , going from dress and heels to bikini in 3 minutes flat. It is an art form. But you can do it, because I've done it. It looks funny to Americans, but it works, isn't offensive.

Only teenage boys stare when they see someone zipping up unzipped pants anyway. Most adults just look away.

Thanks for a creative carry question, something new to kick around.... And don't forget to re-load.

Thanks Bonnie! I take it that it is sort of like mastering the art of taking off a bra while wearing a shirt ala Flashdance? LOL I can manage that pretty easily using my oldest son's ROTC shirt. Will be perfect for this situation. I'll just keep it in my range bag. Thanks for the idea.

Bugguts 10-26-2012 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverTauron (Post 9595937)
Practice re-holstering at home, and transport the piece you plan to shoot at the range in its factory box. When done, box it up and leave. I've had my CCW for two years now, and while taking a holstered gun in to shoot is legal I don't do it for two reasons.

One,even factories get ammo wrong sometimes. If you take your holstered carry gun to the range and shoot a squib load or heaven forbid a double charged round that takes your piece out of action, you're defenseless during the trip home.Swapping guns won't work if the other pistol doesn't fit in your holster.

Two, the act of drawing a gun out of a holster makes people justifiably nervous. Even if the range officer is OK with the idea, a fellow shooter who sees you draw a gun from a concealed holster in your person might get the wrong impression. While the likelihood of something happening from it isn't high, its not zero.

Thus its wise to go to the static range to practice shooting and the fundamentals thereof, and save practicing the tactical stuff like re holstering, reloading, drawing , etc for your own home. I speak from experience when I say that your mental training wont care that you learned to draw from concealment with a blue gun or the real deal.

Our range does not allow holster practice so that I do at home with snap caps but I appreciate the info. I've seen a lot of men and women at the range with their carry pieces and they come in holstered but do not draw and shoot from the holster. They just take the gun out of the holster and commence to practice. Does that make sense? LOL

kaligaran 10-26-2012 11:33 AM

Load up in the bathroom and all of your concerns are resolved I think.

BonnieB 10-26-2012 1:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugguts (Post 9595946)
Thanks Bonnie! I take it that it is sort of like mastering the art of taking off a bra while wearing a shirt ala Flashdance? LOL I can manage that pretty easily using my oldest son's ROTC shirt. Will be perfect for this situation. I'll just keep it in my range bag. Thanks for the idea.

Thanks, Bugs. I should have mentioned that when I did the 'quick change' on a beach, I did it on a French beach. In Cannes! (Bragging shamelessly...).

Bugs, I'm thinking of a belly band for CCW. Not that I need extra belly, goddess knows! What brand do you like? And can you use it for small of the back, instead of front? I'm kinda swaybacked and it seems like a good choice.

Bugguts 10-26-2012 1:55 PM

Thank God for me, the belly band is like a girdle that holds a gun! LMAO I am not sure what the brand is, I will have to look but I actually wear it backwards with the velcro closure in the back since I don't like front carry and cross body doesn't work so well with the girls in the way. As a matter of fact, when I was trying holsters and positions I told my husband "I can't do cross body. See? My arms are too short" as I was trying to reach across and he busted out laughing and said "It's not that your arms are too short, the girls are too big!" I laughed at that and later when a friend was at the house(a very good friend, who gets my sense of humor and is like a brother to us) and Bill was relating it and before he even got to his response about my girls, Ty blurted out "It's the b00bs!" LMAO Yeah, we are kind of a twisted bunch.. anyway, I put it on and then just rotate it until the velcro is in the back and it puts the gun right on the right hip and has two spots for extra mags and those are on the left hip.

Besides that, the velcro in the front(it's BIG swath of velcro) made the front of my jeans look like, well, let's just say it made me look like I was packin' and not a gun if ya' get what I mean. LOL

locosway 11-02-2012 9:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugguts (Post 9595442)
Let me start by saying that I carry using a belly band. Easiest and most convenient for me. Tomorrow we are going to the range and this will be the first time back at the range after getting my CCW and I have this issue that I am not sure how to work with.

I plan on using both guns and plan on carrying(and alerting staff as I am supposed to) so after I am done shooting, I need to re-holster one of my guns. I wear the belly band kind of low across my hip area and in order to re-holster, I have to unzip and open my pants to holster and then re-zip my pants. Have I lost you yet? LOL I can't carry a loaded gun openly through the store part of the range to go to the ladies room and holster my gun, so how do I do this discreetly? It's only a concern when I go to the range for practice since if I ever need to use it in public, I would probably not be re-holstering right away and would not be concerned about it but this is my problem when it comes to practice and range time. Thoughts?

Most people are oblivious to others. The shooting range is not much different. The most observant person will be the RSO/RO but they can't watch everyone all the time. I doubt anyone would notice, and if they did, oh well.

The other answer is to drop the gun in your purse and go to the restroom, then load up and holster.

Lone_Gunman 11-02-2012 10:09 PM

Inexpensive second holster that covers the trigger. Load on the firing line, put gun in second holster, put holster in purse, take purse to restroom, go in a stall and do your business.

Barkfire 11-02-2012 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BonnieB (Post 9595900)
Only teenage boys stare when they see someone zipping up unzipped pants anyway. Most adults just look away.

Really? I guess I am just young at heart, it's been 40 years since I was a teenager and I still look:o

Bugguts 11-03-2012 8:09 AM

I don't carry a purse, just a wallet and the range bag. I guess I'll just be taking my range bag in to the bathroom. Thanks!!

beb 11-07-2012 8:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugguts (Post 9595517)
Thanks, can't do it in the car, not enough room and the last time I did anything in a car, I was rewarded by two boys ;) LMAO Sorry, that was inappropriate.


LMAO! I love you, you are always freaking hilarious! :P


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