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Cactuscooler 10-21-2012 10:53 PM

Recruiter issues.
 
I've been trying to join the military for at least 2 years now. Previously the recruiters told me I wasn't qualified due to legal issues and such, or they weren't interested in enlisting me. The charge wasn't a non waiverable offense, it required me to get a dismissal letter from the DA after the statue of limitations expired.

Recently ,I went down the Army National Guard recruiter and told them I was interested in joining with 2 other buddies of mine. They said my charges weren't an issue anymore and I should be good to go. We talked with the recruiter for an hour about the enlistment process, and how I would get" stripes for buddies" getting E-3 for bringing my friends in. So the next step for us was to take the Asvab, one of my friends already took the Asvab and passed but he wanted to take it again to get 68W.

He set up a Asvab testing date for us, and told us to start filling out our SF-86 and applications online. He kept in contact with us briefly then about a week before the Asvab testing date, we tried multiple times to contact him and it would goto voice mail and he never returned our calls :confused: We needed to talk to him about getting our MEPS paperwork to grant us access for the Asvab. I know he mentioned October would be better, he explained to us that he previously met mission. I'm just trying to understand why he would flake out on us, or rather 3 potential recruits that were interested in joining?

I'm frustrated because I'm in top physical shape. I do alot of crossfit and running, I'm more than ready for boot camp. I'm just tired of the games the recruiters play, is it possible to meet one that is genuinely interested in helping people?

Rscan925 10-21-2012 11:07 PM

****ty recruiter. The army guard did that to me too when I was thinking of going army. If your trying to join the army or air guard in the bay area I know recruiters who can hook you up.

Cactuscooler 10-21-2012 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rscan925 (Post 9564544)
****ty recruiter. The army guard did that to me too when I was thinking of going army. If your trying to join the army or air guard in the bay area I know recruiters who can hook you up.

I'm in the San Diego area. It doesn't seem like its just my group of friends, my friends cousin tried to join the Coast Guard he had to retake the asvab ( got below a 50) and allowed him to take it again. Then he got a 54 and told him they raised the AFQT to 55!:mad:

I'm not picky either. I'm not one of those guys that's obsesses over all the MOS's I told the recruiter I wanted 11B. I know some people start asking for some crazy unrealistic MOS's and wont sign a contract with a recruiter until a slot opens up.

Stanksbeamen 10-22-2012 12:41 AM

Look for a different recruiter, is there another office that may be reasonably close?

Cactuscooler 10-22-2012 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Stanksbeamen (Post 9564712)
Look for a different recruiter, is there another office that may be reasonably close?

Yes there is. The question is how do I find a decent one?

Stanksbeamen 10-22-2012 2:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Cactuscooler (Post 9564743)
Yes there is. The question is how do I find a decent one?

Honestly, not sure. The one you had could of had an emergency/family problems and taken some leave? Have you contacted the office where he works? Maybe just walk-in and talk to one of the other recruiters assigned to that office. Typically there are a few, or talk to his supervisor, not sure really?

I highly suggest seeing all branch recruiters to see what your options are if you havent already. See how they work, just the way they present information/options to you. When I enlisted I met with all of them, some even more than once to get information and further my knowledge on the military and each branch, then made my decision based on the information I was given.

Even if you're dead set on the Army, take a few hours and talk to the other recruiters and good luck to you!

Stockton 10-22-2012 2:12 AM

They have quotas. To ensure he doesn't roll a doughnut next month he is saving you guys. Crap method to ensure he is doing his job for his command. Find someone else.

navycorpsman 10-22-2012 8:05 AM

I agree you have found some crappy recruiters. But, also realize that the military has become quite selective because of downsizing. I mean no excuse for whats going on. But i can honestly say any waivers right now will make your chances of joining close to impossible. I dont want to bring bad news but its a reality you might have to accept also.

Good Luck

winnre 10-22-2012 8:17 AM

October is good because it is a new fiscal year. If he was short on his numbers then September would be his push.

You have a lousy recruiter. The Marines wined and dined me in high school but just did not have a job I liked. The recruiters should hold your hand all the way through the process.

Dunno about 11B though. Check out your ASVAB scores. I was told I could have any job I wanted. Go for the ones that will challenge you. Go with In-Flight Missile Repairman if you have the scores for it. Not many 11B jobs in the civilian world.

I just had a buddy lose his clearance for failure to disclose a part of his past. Now he is fighting to get it back or else he is out. It was a harmless omission, he simply thought "Oh I do not need to tell them something so insignificant." One of MY assignments in a past unit was to review everyone's clearance applications. I got the job because I was cleared even after answering YES to some of the HAVE YOU EVER? questions. You want to give them more than they need, show them you have nothing to hide.

If all else fails, try another branch. The Air Force recruiter had no time for me and I ended up going Army.

BrianRodela 10-22-2012 8:30 AM

I agree with Navycorpsman in the issues regarding downsizing. Add to that the poor economy makes the military a great option for many. Keep this in mind as recruiters can pick and choose who they want these days as they have a line out the door in some offices. Not returning your call is never advisable but they always have trouble avoiding you when you show up in person.

Cactuscooler 10-22-2012 8:01 PM

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Originally Posted by winnre (Post 9565590)
October is good because it is a new fiscal year. If he was short on his numbers then September would be his push.

You have a lousy recruiter. The Marines wined and dined me in high school but just did not have a job I liked. The recruiters should hold your hand all the way through the process.

Dunno about 11B though. Check out your ASVAB scores. I was told I could have any job I wanted. Go for the ones that will challenge you. Go with In-Flight Missile Repairman if you have the scores for it. Not many 11B jobs in the civilian world.

I just had a buddy lose his clearance for failure to disclose a part of his past. Now he is fighting to get it back or else he is out. It was a harmless omission, he simply thought "Oh I do not need to tell them something so insignificant." One of MY assignments in a past unit was to review everyone's clearance applications. I got the job because I was cleared even after answering YES to some of the HAVE YOU EVER? questions. You want to give them more than they need, show them you have nothing to hide.

If all else fails, try another branch. The Air Force recruiter had no time for me and I ended up going Army.

I agree with what all you guys said. I personally believe that the recruiting process should be done at meps with a recruiter, without perhaps incentives involved or commission. The thought of being sold off as a ' sale' leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Clearly the interest of the recruit isn't being looked at as a opportunity to serve, or help his country. It's like going to the car dealership and trying to negotiate a sales price with credit :rolleyes:

todd2968 10-22-2012 8:07 PM

They no longer need you any more down sizing.
There could be other branches that are "hiring" because it sounds like he is not at this time. Don't call us we will call you mentality right now.

Scuba Steve33 10-22-2012 10:38 PM

Go to someone else, even someone else at the same office. You aren't restricted to anyone. Figure out what job you want (you mentioned 11B- ****ing good choice) and then find out from guys who actually did that job what you'd be in for, not some dude behind a desk. If this guy doesn't show interest in you, **** him and move on.

Cactuscooler 10-22-2012 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Scuba Steve33 (Post 9571760)
Go to someone else, even someone else at the same office. You aren't restricted to anyone. Figure out what job you want (you mentioned 11B- ****ing good choice) and then find out from guys who actually did that job what you'd be in for, not some dude behind a desk. If this guy doesn't show interest in you, **** him and move on.

Yup. My friend who stays with me is a 11B out of 82nd, I seen him go in gung ho and come back on leave after his first deployment and he tells me " Don't join, or don't do 11B". I just want to experience it for myself, maybe i'm a little crazy..

Scuba Steve33 10-22-2012 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cactuscooler (Post 9571785)
Yup. My friend who stays with me is a 11B out of 82nd, I seen him go in gung ho and come back on leave after his first deployment and he tells me " Don't join, or don't do 11B". I just want to experience it for myself, maybe i'm a little crazy..

I give the same advice your friend does to people asking me about joining or the infantry. There's few who you can tell have that crazy in them who show interest when you explain it and you need that crazy to be in it.

Cactuscooler 10-22-2012 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Scuba Steve33 (Post 9571830)
I give the same advice your friend does to people asking me about joining or the infantry. There's few who you can tell have that crazy in them who show interest when you explain it and you need that crazy to be in it.

Yeah he did change alot. He'd post stuff on his facebook saying if he didn't make it I could have his Yamaha R6 in my garage. Sure didn't help him feel gung ho after he told me a snipers round impacted near his head in the Mrap. Made him think a little bit...

That being said, I'm fully aware of it..

Rscan925 10-22-2012 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cactuscooler (Post 9564552)
I'm in the San Diego area. It doesn't seem like its just my group of friends, my friends cousin tried to join the Coast Guard he had to retake the asvab ( got below a 50) and allowed him to take it again. Then he got a 54 and told him they raised the AFQT to 55!:mad:

I'm not picky either. I'm not one of those guys that's obsesses over all the MOS's I told the recruiter I wanted 11B. I know some people start asking for some crazy unrealistic MOS's and wont sign a contract with a recruiter until a slot opens up.

Coast guard raised the active duty asvab requirements to 65. While the branches are downsizing they are still taking a lot of waivers. I talk to army guys at my base and alOt I them say they got in easily after getting tired of waiting on airforce openings. Good thing is guard gets priority over AIT dates so you should get in fairly quick. I know when I was in DEP in the airforce national guard they made it a point to have me gone for BMT in no more than 4 months from the day I signed in.

I can't tell you not to go 11B because I've never done it so I have no right to say, I will say however that the army I really good about letting you pick your job before you leave so you shouldn't have to settle for anything you don't want or aren't ready to do.

Rscan925 10-22-2012 11:55 PM

Also a friend of mine was an army recruiter for a little while and he said after the call of duty modern warfare game came out he was bombarded with young teenagers wanting to join as 11B. Maybe that recruiter filled his 11B quota for the month?

Scuba Steve33 10-23-2012 5:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rscan925 (Post 9572040)
Also a friend of mine was an army recruiter for a little while and he said after the call of duty modern warfare game came out he was bombarded with young teenagers wanting to join as 11B. Maybe that recruiter filled his 11B quota for the month?

Unless they changed it it's not his MOS quota, it's the Army's. When I joined I had to wait a month to get 11B. The ****ty thing was, that first month I could get a RIP contract but no 11B. I wasn't joining as anything other than 11B and when I waited the next month to get it, all RIP slots were full.

Rscan925 10-23-2012 8:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Scuba Steve33 (Post 9572409)
Unless they changed it it's not his MOS quota, it's the Army's. When I joined I had to wait a month to get 11B. The ****ty thing was, that first month I could get a RIP contract but no 11B. I wasn't joining as anything other than 11B and when I waited the next month to get it, all RIP slots were full.

You are probably right about army quota not his. I have no idea how the recruiters Job goes and honestly have no plans on ever becoming a recruiter.

OP try and get airborne or something cool in you contract, I wish the airforce let us put cool options in our contracts. You seem sincere about getting in so just keep pushing and talking to different recruiters until one takes you serious. There's no loyalty in the recruiter stage. And don't be like half the freaking military members I hear at my base, *****ing about there jobs or lifestyle. They forget that they volunteered and nobody made them join.

Scuba Steve33 10-23-2012 8:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rscan925 (Post 9572926)
You are probably right about army quota not his. I have no idea how the recruiters Job goes and honestly have no plans on ever becoming a recruiter.

OP try and get airborne or something cool in you contract, I wish the airforce let us put cool options in our contracts. You seem sincere about getting in so just keep pushing and talking to different recruiters until one takes you serious. There's no loyalty in the recruiter stage. And don't be like half the freaking military members I hear at my base, *****ing about there jobs or lifestyle. They forget that they volunteered and nobody made them join.

Good ascot as much in your contract as possible while maintaining your desired commitment time. You can always drop those things in your contract but it will be very hard to get them once you're in.

SoCal_Sapper 10-23-2012 8:55 AM

Pretty much what everyone else said. Back in early 2002 I went back to MEPS 3 times looking to get a 11B slot. It didn't happen so i settled on 12B. I really wish I would have waited longer to secure the 11B slot. However, I did later find out that from 9/11 well into 2003 a there weren't a lot of 11B slots available and the ones that were got snatched up quick. Whatever you do, don't settle for a job that you don't want.

CBlacksheep 10-23-2012 9:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCal_Sapper (Post 9573187)
Whatever you do, don't settle for a job that you don't want.

This is why I've waited for so long. I've gone through three different recruiters in the last year alone since so many won't even give me the time of day.

SoCal_Sapper 10-23-2012 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CBlacksheep (Post 9573415)
This is why I've waited for so long. I've gone through three different recruiters in the last year alone since so many won't even give me the time of day.

I'm sorry to hear that man. I don't know what to say besides don't give up.

ElDub1950 10-23-2012 10:15 AM

Go jump up and down on his desk twice a week.
The old 'squeaky wheel' saying is true.

CBlacksheep 10-23-2012 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCal_Sapper (Post 9573605)
I'm sorry to hear that man. I don't know what to say besides don't give up.

I've gone too far to give up now. If all else fails, I know San Diego Recruiting Command honchos.

To OP, just keep agitating them.

navycorpsman 10-23-2012 11:03 AM

If you dont mind me asking whats your waiver for that you had to get a letter from a DA

NorCalXJ 10-23-2012 2:31 PM

I don't know about you guys, but the marine recruiters love me for some reason(they won't leave me alone). I guess it depends on the area you are located. I'm in the bay area and I think they need more recruits. Be persistent, and follow up and you will get in.

todd2968 10-25-2012 3:07 PM

Wait til Mitt takes over ! It's all jacked up

Glock31B 10-25-2012 3:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Scuba Steve33 (Post 9571760)
Go to someone else, even someone else at the same office. You aren't restricted to anyone. Figure out what job you want (you mentioned 11B- ****ing good choice) and then find out from guys who actually did that job what you'd be in for, not some dude behind a desk. If this guy doesn't show interest in you, **** him and move on.


Perfect Reply, you said it all.

tanksoldier 10-26-2012 12:02 PM

It's true that you have to keep looking... but is also true that you need the Army more than the Army wants you now, even as an 11B.

Economy in the crapper, deployments reduced, downsizing... everybody and their cat wants in the military now. Combine the economy with the reduced chance of going somewhere dangerous and you have all the "military as a welfare program" applicants lining up. Mostly in jobs and services where they don't think they'll ever actually get shot at, but the combat arms have plenty of applicants as well.

Ten years ago that recruiter, or his predecessor, was working 16+ hour days and not making mission, getting screamed at (literally) by his chain of command and receiving crappy efficiency reports that damaged their future career because they couldn't make mission even with dropping the standards and taking in prior felons, morons, druggies and whatever else.

Now the worm has turned. Standards are back up, applicants are lining up out the door and he doesn't need to do any waiver paperwork if he doesn't want to. If he hasn't kept in contact he doesn't need you there's no reason for him to keep in touch. He's got better things to do like spend time with his family, going on vacation and just hanging out. He's probably had 3-4 deployments by this point in his career and is looking forward to taking it easy for a year or two.

When he needs more recruits there will be somebody at his door. You or somebody else, it's all the same to him.

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I'm in the bay area and I think they need more recruits
Fewer qualified recruits, even tho the population density is higher.

The service looks at population density and sets the number of recruits to come from a given geo area, and then that "mission" gets divided up between teh recruiters in eth area, but the services don't always factor in the higher crime, drug use, lower HS completion rate, etc. Some estimate that 75% of the potential applicant pool is ineligible or otherwise unsuited to military service... 3 in 4... and those numbers are higher in urban areas.

Generally speaking the Corps has the highest physical and moral standards of any of the services, and declines to waiver many issues that other services will overlook.

Scuba Steve33 10-26-2012 2:10 PM

If any of you guys are near Compton trying to join one of my buddies is a recruiter there. He was one of the squad leaders in my platoon and was awarded the Silver Star on our deployment. After completing recruiter school there was one office that was in need of someone they knew could handle it and he was sent there. If anyone is serious PM me.

ParadigmGuy 10-26-2012 6:30 PM

No answer at his office either? What did they say when you showed up at their office?

Cactuscooler 10-30-2012 9:24 PM

I guess they changed the requirements "

Absolutely no felonies, absolutely no drug or alcohol charges (to include misdemeanors). Expunged charges still disqualify you, and your juvenile record counts. Absolutely no domestic violence charges (to include misdemeanors). All other misdemeanors will be considered if all charges are paid off, all forms of probation are complete, the case is closed, and you have all court documents."

Before It wasn't an issue. Guess I'm prohibited from joining. Phuck.....

This is what it said before

"Minimum qualifications:
Must be between the ages of 17 and 34 years old. Prior service applicants (with a good discharge) fall under a different rule. Call for details.
We do not take any felonies. No more than one misdemeanor.
You must have a high school diploma or 15 college credits. ***Our new program will allow you to join if you DO NOT have a GED, but not if you already have one***
There are NO exceptions to any of the above requirements.



:( Can't believe I wanted to give this recruiter the oppertunity to enlist my two friends, and in the end he just wasted all of our time and hopes.

BrianRodela 10-31-2012 5:36 AM

Poor decisions will always come back to haunt you,.......welcome to the big boy world.

SoCal_Sapper 10-31-2012 6:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianRodela (Post 9625618)
Poor decisions will always come back to haunt you,.......welcome to the big boy world.

This. Actions and Consequences.

metalliman545 10-31-2012 1:07 PM

Either on leave, he doesn't care, or you're charges were an issue. You do know you have to be of good character too, if they feel you aren't they are allowed to not accept you.

metalliman545 10-31-2012 1:08 PM

Sure, his loss, but the military's gain.

NastyNate 11-03-2012 12:29 AM

Call different recruiters in your area. Oftentimes, these guys hit their numbers and that is why they tell you that leaving at a certain time would be better as opposed to another time. If you keep calling different recruiters, you will eventually run into one that hasn't met his numbers yet. If all else fails, and you think you have what it takes, go talk to the USMC, they always need bodies.

Cactuscooler 11-05-2012 4:08 PM

Got a new recruiter. I'm taking the asvab this week. Hes alot more squared away.

Wish me luck guys!


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