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SRedmon 10-21-2012 7:27 PM

New law enforcement store opens tomorrow!
 
Ammo Bros is proud to announce that tomorrow we will be opening the doors to our new law enforcement store. This store will include lots of off list firearms, hi capacity magazines, duty gear, le ammunition, and other items not sold in our regular stores.

780 S. Rochester ave.
Ontario, CA 91761

Hours: M-F 10-6 (closed on weekends)

The store will be open to LE, fire, EMT, and security personnel. Not all items will be available to everyone allowed in.

Glock31B 10-21-2012 7:31 PM

Military?
:D
Have to swing buy there sometime.

Ron-Solo 10-21-2012 7:48 PM

Retired LE? (yes, got to stay with the roster and 10 rd bs)

Matt1984 10-21-2012 8:22 PM

No Military? Hmmmm

urbancommando 10-22-2012 12:18 AM

I am looking for the LEM trigger for the hk usp. 40 compact. Will you guys have them in stock at one of your locations?

xbimmers 10-22-2012 8:19 AM

Are you going to have the Glock Special pricing available? I manage armed and unarmed security people. I would like to pass this information on to my people. Thanks.

<IXOYE>< 10-22-2012 9:49 AM

LE/Mil/Security, you could always go to Pro Force in Brea. I have never seen cheaper firearms or acc. than here.

SRedmon 10-22-2012 8:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron-Solo (Post 9563504)
Retired LE? (yes, got to stay with the roster and 10 rd bs)

Retired le is allowed

SRedmon 10-22-2012 8:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glock31B (Post 9563409)
Military?
:D
Have to swing buy there sometime.

Sorry, no military. Military is offered a 5% discount at our regular store however.

SRedmon 10-22-2012 8:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by <IXOYE>< (Post 9566140)
LE/Mil/Security, you could always go to Pro Force in Brea. I have never seen cheaper firearms or acc. than here.

We should have very competitive pricing to them. We are not allowed in there but we want to earn your business so if you see they have cheaper pricing please let us know.

SRedmon 10-22-2012 8:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xbimmers (Post 9565600)
Are you going to have the Glock Special pricing available? I manage armed and unarmed security people. I would like to pass this information on to my people. Thanks.

Yes we will have cheaper prices for security

MXRider 10-22-2012 8:43 PM

Why not allow everyone to shop there?

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SparkYZ 10-22-2012 8:46 PM

What about volunteer Search and Rescue? We work with PD...

SRedmon 10-22-2012 8:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MXRider (Post 9571080)
Why not allow everyone to shop there?

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Some mfgs have restrictions for who can shop in le discounted stores. Glock is really strict.

Glock31B 10-22-2012 8:55 PM

What about Military LE?

SRedmon 10-22-2012 9:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SparkYZ (Post 9571104)
What about volunteer Search and Rescue? We work with PD...

You must an ID that matches the criteria above. If the dept issues you an ID then you can get in.

SRedmon 10-22-2012 9:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glock31B (Post 9571173)
What about Military LE?

Yes

Baconator 10-22-2012 10:24 PM

GSSF?

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ke6guj 10-22-2012 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRedmon (Post 9571406)
All that is just licenses. The cerritos store can supply le agencies with full autos, silencers or whatever else they need,

does that mean that you have your SOT? Are you willing to sell AOWs to the public?

SRedmon 10-22-2012 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baconator (Post 9571704)
GSSF?

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Yes, GSSF can purchase blue label with 10 round mags only. Please visit our regular store and present you membership ID for those.

SRedmon 10-22-2012 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ke6guj (Post 9571739)
does that mean that you have your SOT? Are you willing to sell AOWs to the public?

Cerritos does have their SOT but at this time we are not offering AOWs to the public.

Toolfreak66 10-22-2012 11:23 PM

I'm no expert but it sounds legit. If regular stores could sell glocks for $400 to cops, wouldn't they all do it? I've also been trying to find items like Winchester ranger SXT ammo but am told that Winchester will not allow it to be sold to anyone but law enforcement.

Off list guns and hi cap mags we can't buy anyway so who cares! As far as other duty gear I'm not sure what they mean but maybe it's in their regular stores as well. I've seen lots of duty gear in Cerritos recently.

Baconator 10-23-2012 5:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRedmon (Post 9571766)
Yes, GSSF can purchase blue label with 10 round mags only. Please visit our regular store and present you membership ID for those.

Nice! You guys should heavily advertise this as GSSF participating stores are few and far between!

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jack & coke 10-23-2012 7:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRedmon (Post 9571406)
All that is just licenses. The cerritos store can supply le agencies with full autos, silencers or whatever else they need, and we can sell AWs to LEO with letters, but we can not sell certain items such as glock blue label cause anyone can come into our store.

Warrior One in Riverside is open to the public. Anyone can walk in, They also participate in the Glock Blue Label program. So I'm not sure about that statement. Not trying to kick you guys in the balls or anything. Good luck.

SRedmon 10-23-2012 8:27 AM

From what we were told we are not able to sell the Glock blue labels in our regular stores unless it was for GSSF. Maybe other stores are breaking the rules.

Besides Glock though there are other contracts we are going to be trying to obtain so we can not only service LEOs but also the departments. Two companies I can think of off the top of my head that won't allow us to have civilians in the store if we offer these certain LE dept only products are Winchester and Taser. Both companies have a huge LE market that they are very strict with. I challenge any store open to the public to call them and get their restricted product (it won't happen).

The point of the LE store is not to keep the public away. Our regular store is right next to the LE store and anything sold in the LE store that is legal for civilians to purchase is available in our regular store. What won't you see...Off roster guns, hi cap mags, batons, switchblades, and things of that nature.

The reason we are opening this store is to get into a market we were previously not able to get into. If we want to be able to sell LE restricted items (like certain Taser, Winchester and Federal product lines) this is what we had to do. There are also certain companies that would not allow us into their LE discount program till we had a LE only store such as S&W.

mej16489 10-23-2012 9:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SRedmon (Post 9573040)
What won't you see...Off roster guns, hi cap mags, batons, switchblades, and things of that nature.

You do realize there is no legal exemption for selling switchblades greater then 2" to LEOs right?

21510. Every person who does any of the following with a
switchblade knife having a blade two or more inches in length is
guilty of a misdemeanor:
(a) Possesses the knife in the passenger's or driver's area of any
motor vehicle in any public place or place open to the public.
(b) Carries the knife upon the person.
(c) Sells, offers for sale, exposes for sale, loans, transfers, or
gives the knife to any other person.


17235. As used in this part, "switchblade knife" means a knife
having the appearance of a pocketknife and includes a spring-blade
knife, snap-blade knife, gravity knife, or any other similar type
knife, the blade or blades of which are two or more inches in length
and which can be released automatically by a flick of a button,
pressure on the handle, flip of the wrist or other mechanical device,
or is released by the weight of the blade or by any type of
mechanism whatsoever. "Switchblade knife" does not include a knife
that opens with one hand utilizing thumb pressure applied solely to
the blade of the knife or a thumb stud attached to the blade,
provided that the knife has a detent or other mechanism that provides
resistance that must be overcome in opening the blade, or that
biases the blade back toward its closed position.

SRedmon 10-23-2012 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mej16489 (Post 9573493)
You do realize there is no legal exemption for selling switchblades greater then 2" to LEO right?

Thank you for bringing this law to my attention. We do not have any and have not started selling any as of yet but we had planned on it based on the fact that we were told LE was exempt. We will look into this more before we make a final decision.

EvoXRiley 10-23-2012 10:40 AM

Why is everyone freaking out over not being allowed into a LEO store? There's another gun store 30 feet to the right that sells guns.

SRedmon 10-23-2012 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mej16489 (Post 9573493)
You do realize there is no legal exemption for selling switchblades greater then 2" to LEOs right?

21510. Every person who does any of the following with a
switchblade knife having a blade two or more inches in length is
guilty of a misdemeanor:
(a) Possesses the knife in the passenger's or driver's area of any
motor vehicle in any public place or place open to the public.
(b) Carries the knife upon the person.
(c) Sells, offers for sale, exposes for sale, loans, transfers, or
gives the knife to any other person.


17235. As used in this part, "switchblade knife" means a knife
having the appearance of a pocketknife and includes a spring-blade
knife, snap-blade knife, gravity knife, or any other similar type
knife, the blade or blades of which are two or more inches in length
and which can be released automatically by a flick of a button,
pressure on the handle, flip of the wrist or other mechanical device,
or is released by the weight of the blade or by any type of
mechanism whatsoever. "Switchblade knife" does not include a knife
that opens with one hand utilizing thumb pressure applied solely to
the blade of the knife or a thumb stud attached to the blade,
provided that the knife has a detent or other mechanism that provides
resistance that must be overcome in opening the blade, or that
biases the blade back toward its closed position.

Wouldn't this be the exemption?

12020(b)(12) The sale to, possession of, or purchase of any weapon, device, or ammunition, other than a short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun, by any federal, state, county, city and county, or city agency that is charged with the enforcement of any law for use in the discharge of their official duties,

or the possession of any weapon, device, or ammunition, other than a short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun, by peace officers thereof when on duty and the use is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties.

Seems like it falls in line with selling AWs. Dealers can legally sell AWs to departments and can sell them to LE with a letter.

jack & coke 10-23-2012 11:47 AM

Love the Internet Lawyers

ke6guj 10-23-2012 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRedmon (Post 9574129)
Wouldn't this be the exemption?

12020(b)(12) The sale to, possession of, or purchase of any weapon, device, or ammunition, other than a short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun, by any federal, state, county, city and county, or city agency that is charged with the enforcement of any law for use in the discharge of their official duties,

or the possession of any weapon, device, or ammunition, other than a short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun, by peace officers thereof when on duty and the use is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties.

Seems like it falls in line with selling AWs. Dealers can legally sell AWs to departments and can sell them to LE with a letter.

nope, that exemption only applied to items restricted under 12020. switchblades were not restricted under 12020. but were under 653k in the old PC.

mej16489 10-23-2012 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRedmon (Post 9574129)
Wouldn't this be the exemption?

12020(b)(12) ...
Seems like it falls in line with selling AWs. Dealers can legally sell AWs to departments and can sell them to LE with a letter.

No.

That's now PC 17730. That would only exempt items in 16590 (which isn't the statute banning switchblades > 2" )

Note in particular 16590(l) for an example of a way you would already be using 17730 as an exemption.

17730. The provisions listed in Section 16590 do not apply to any
of the following:
(a) The sale to, possession of, or purchase of any weapon, device,
or ammunition, other than a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled
shotgun, by any federal, state, county, city and county, or city
agency that is charged with the enforcement of any law for use in the
discharge of its official duties.
(b) The possession of any weapon, device, or ammunition, other
than a short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun, by any peace
officer of any federal, state, county, city and county, or city
agency that is charged with the enforcement of any law, when the
officer is on duty and the use is authorized by the agency and is
within the course and scope of the officer's duties.
(c) Any weapon, device, or ammunition, other than a short-barreled
rifle or a short-barreled shotgun, that is sold by, manufactured by,
exposed or kept for sale by, possessed by, imported by, or lent by,
any person who is in the business of selling weapons, devices, and
ammunition listed in Section 16590 solely to the entities referred to
in subdivision (a) when engaging in transactions with those
entities.


16590. As used in this part, "generally prohibited weapon" means
any of the following:
(a) An air gauge knife, as prohibited by Section 20310.
(b) Ammunition that contains or consists of a flechette dart, as
prohibited by Section 30210.
(c) A ballistic knife, as prohibited by Section 21110.
(d) A belt buckle knife, as prohibited by Section 20410.
(e) A bullet containing or carrying an explosive agent, as
prohibited by Section 30210.
(f) A camouflaging firearm container, as prohibited by Section
24310.
(g) A cane gun, as prohibited by Section 24410.
(h) A cane sword, as prohibited by Section 20510.
(i) A concealed dirk or dagger, as prohibited by Section 21310.
(j) A concealed explosive substance, other than fixed ammunition,
as prohibited by Section 19100.
(k) A firearm that is not immediately recognizable as a firearm,
as prohibited by Section 24510.
(l) A large-capacity magazine, as prohibited by Section 32310.
(m) A leaded cane or an instrument or weapon of the kind commonly
known as a billy, blackjack, sandbag, sandclub, sap, or slungshot, as
prohibited by Section 22210.
(n) A lipstick case knife, as prohibited by Section 20610.
(o) Metal knuckles, as prohibited by Section 21810.
(p) A metal military practice handgrenade or a metal replica
handgrenade, as prohibited by Section 19200.
(q) A multiburst trigger activator, as prohibited by Section
32900.
(r) A nunchaku, as prohibited by Section 22010.
(s) A shobi-zue, as prohibited by Section 20710.
(t) A short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun, as
prohibited by Section 33215.
(u) A shuriken, as prohibited by Section 22410.
(v) An unconventional pistol, as prohibited by Section 31500.
(w) An undetectable firearm, as prohibited by Section 24610.
(x) A wallet gun, as prohibited by Section 24710.
(y) A writing pen knife, as prohibited by Section 20910.
(z) A zip gun, as prohibited by Section 33600.

mej16489 10-23-2012 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack & coke (Post 9574182)
Love the Internet Lawyers

I'll take the bait...

The law is the law no matter how you slice it. People have been looking for years for the 'exemption they know exists' and noone has ever presented it.

Its clearly allowable on the federal level, but extremely unclear if the federal statutes preempt the CA State laws on the matter.

So, since I took the bait, do you pick up the gauntlet? :D

Glock31B 10-23-2012 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toolfreak66 (Post 9571953)
If regular stores could sell glocks for $400 to cops, wouldn't they all do it?

More shops used to have Blue Label Pricing but Glock found out a percentage of shops were taking advantage of it "Selling blue label glocks to LEO/Military full price and pocketing the rest of the money" and they "glock" are more strict about blue label shops.

CinnamonBear723 10-23-2012 1:54 PM

California Penal Code 17515, 2012 edition, is a peace officer exemption for possession of prohibited weapons. It has to be authorized for the enforcement of law or ordinance in any city or county. This means that each officer will have to check with their individual agency's policies to see if they can or not. It seems to be okay for officers to carry prohibited weapons as long as they have permission from their agency. I don't understand why people get their panties in a bunch over LEO's carrying weapons the general public can't have. Ease up.

5shot 10-23-2012 1:58 PM

SRedman; will you be stocking S&W M&P series handguns at law enforcement prices?

SRedmon 10-23-2012 3:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5shot (Post 9574992)
SRedman; will you be stocking S&W M&P series handguns at law enforcement prices?

Yes we will be but the store had to open before S&W would even talk to us about LE pricing.

mej16489 10-23-2012 4:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CinnamonBear723 (Post 9574958)
California Penal Code 17515, 2012 edition, is a peace officer exemption for possession of prohibited weapons. It has to be authorized for the enforcement of law or ordinance in any city or county. This means that each officer will have to check with their individual agency's policies to see if they can or not. It seems to be okay for officers to carry prohibited weapons as long as they have permission from their agency. I don't understand why people get their panties in a bunch over LEO's carrying weapons the general public can't have. Ease up.

...the exemption is only for specific items. In particular things like saps, billys, etc. etc. etc. Switchblades > 2" aren't there.

In penal-code-ese

17515 exempts specific sections of code as listed in PC 16580. I don't see PC 21510 listed there...

17515. Nothing in any provision listed in Section 16580 prohibits a
police officer, special police officer, peace officer, or law
enforcement officer from carrying any equipment authorized for the
enforcement of law or ordinance in any city or county.

DSB 10-23-2012 4:48 PM

Can we stay on topic? This is not a thread about LEO ability to posses switchblades.

mej16489 10-23-2012 4:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSB (Post 9576189)
Can we stay on topic? This is not a thread about LEO ability to posess switchblades.

I agree - but from the OP it is indeed about his intent to sell them in his new store.


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