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ccandgc 10-17-2012 7:16 AM

Great Grandfathers 1911
 
I had the 1911 out of the safe to take some pictures, so I thought I'd post them while I was at it.....

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My great grandfather, Harvey Edward Overesch started his Navy career in WW1, and ending after WW2 as a Vice Admiral. He spent time in China(where he received this pistol) between the wars, as Naval Attache in Shanghai and commanded the USS Cuyama. Later he went on the be Commandant of Midshipman at Annapolis from '42-'43. He commanded the USS San Francisco in '44-'45. At that time, the San Francisco was in battles at Kwajalein, Marianas and Gilbert/Marshall islands actions. After the war he worked in Tokyo doing some CIA stuff, then at the US Embassy in London.

VegasND 10-17-2012 4:11 PM

Very nice; thanks for sharing the pictures.

Do you shoot it?

ccandgc 10-17-2012 4:56 PM

Thanks!
I've never fired. Was kinda afraid to...I just didn't want anything to happen to her!

ccandgc 10-17-2012 5:02 PM

I forgot to mention.....this 1911 and this Borchardt were in an old ammo can. They spent approx. 50 years near the beach back home in Hawaii. I found the can cleaning out an old shed. Picked up the can and the bottom fell out. Both pistols are in the same condition as they fell out on my foot.....my grandfather brought the Borchardt back from Belgium/France in '44.

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beetle 10-17-2012 5:06 PM

thank you for sharing, that was a TREAT. the gun is in great condition. Normally I'm not a fan of engravings/modifications to guns (because of my collector mindset), but I make an exception for that one. I'd happily trade any of my collector guns for one with historical family significance.

thanks again for a peek into your family heirlooms! :)

ccandgc 10-17-2012 7:20 PM

I thought you'd like to see them. Sorry it took forever to take pictures.

renardsubtil 10-24-2012 8:25 AM

Wow. Those are some beauties you've got there, thanks for sharing (now, off to find out what the hell a Borchardt is, lol!)

bruceflinch 10-28-2012 6:37 PM

Very Nice!

Longrange308 10-28-2012 7:02 PM

So Sweet!

shortyforty 10-28-2012 7:09 PM

WOW
 
Wow! Thanks for posting those pics and the information on your Great Grandfather. Your Great Grandfather did so very much to serve our great country. You must be so proud.

1000stars 10-28-2012 7:30 PM

Thanks. Appreciate the pics and history!

Vlad 11 10-31-2012 7:01 PM

Super nice pistols!

roc_my_tims 10-31-2012 7:35 PM

thanks for sharing.

big103 11-03-2012 9:33 PM

All I can say it wow amazing. I would like a Borchardt.

CDFingers 11-04-2012 4:57 AM

Great story. Nice 1911. Thanks for posting.

CDFingers

ramathorn 11-04-2012 7:02 AM

Very cool! My grandfathers WWII 1911 was stolen when i was a little kid, total bummer. Keep 'em safe!

ccandgc 11-04-2012 7:07 AM

Thanks guys....these 2 are cornerstones of my collection. I'd love to shoot the Colt, but I'm hesitant.....

skosh69 11-04-2012 7:19 AM

Very cool, thanks for sharing. Not only the pics of the guns, but the history!

Mustang 11-04-2012 7:23 AM

Outstanding firearms and family heirlooms.

ccandgc 11-04-2012 7:41 AM

I have a lot of photos he took while in China. Lots of Japanese ships and "atrocities". Some great shots, and nasty stuff.

Sublime_AC 12-27-2012 12:12 PM

Beautiful, that gun is in nicer shape than the one my father left me. Simply amazing, thank you for sharing.

rolex87 01-10-2013 5:14 PM

Awesome pistols! Thanks for sharing

Howard Roark 02-06-2013 7:57 PM

Enjoyed your post! I read a bit about your g-grandfather on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Overesch

It's probable or possible that your g-grandfather and my grandfather (USNavy 1922-1946) knew each other. They both officers were serving in Shanghai China when the Japanese invasion occurred in 1937. At that time, my grandfather was a captain in the submarine service, and served on the U.S.S. Tarpon (SS-175). Your 1911 is an awesome treasure. Don't shoot it!

vonderplatz 02-06-2013 8:00 PM

Cool thanks for sharing.

ccandgc 02-06-2013 8:06 PM

Last time I looked at that page, it didn't have much info! Looks like someone has been working on it!
Interesting! I didn't know there were US subs there at that time. I bet since my great grandfather was naval attaché, having contact with lots of other officers, it is most certainly likely the met at some point!!!
I have some interesting pictures he took while there....as well as a couple of his swords that recently came back into family possession.....

ccandgc 02-06-2013 8:12 PM

In rereading the Wikipedia page, the sword referenced must be one of the 2 swords we got back!

Bobby Ricigliano 02-08-2013 4:49 AM

An heirloom like that 1911 is beyond a dollar value and should be a treasure for generations to come. I'm sure your Great Grandfather would be pleased to know that very little about the 1911 design has changed since his day and people everywhere still depend on them every day.

Simply115 02-08-2013 10:17 PM

Wow, a Borchardt and a 1911.

Lead Waster 03-20-2013 1:30 PM

I can't even imagine picking up some old rusty can and having those guns fall out. I'd poo my pants.

Charlie50 03-20-2013 1:38 PM

I am so jealous.... some guys. I am no expert on your Borchardt but I believe they were the precursers to the Luger P08. Others might want to edumamcate the unlearned masses here. Complicated but darn cool.... hey next time you go rummaging around in garages and such can I just tag along and maybe some luck will rub off. Great pistols with a history.
Let me be the first to ask, would like to sell one of Borchardts? pm me if you're even toying with the idea. Thanks for sharing

Lead Waster 03-20-2013 2:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccandgc (Post 9651155)
Thanks guys....these 2 are cornerstones of my collection. I'd love to shoot the Colt, but I'm hesitant.....

Don't shoot it! Buy a modern 1911 and shoot that instead! Like you said, you wouldn't want to break anything in that 1911.

Seems a shame to hide it in a safe, too bad we can't display these things in our living rooms without fear of someone stealing it!

MrExel17 03-22-2013 12:41 PM

That looks bad#55!

elmirage 04-01-2013 8:56 PM

I would think that if inspected closely, cleaned and with good ammo that wonderful 1911 would perform without a problem. True, it would be a shame to do any damage and certainly not wise to pound round after round through it but I'd shoot it. I own several Winchesters that were my great great grandfathers and my sons and I have experienced what he felt. He fed the family and protected the ranch and we treasure those rifles. Your 1911 is truly a treasure as well, it doesn't really matter if ever shot again. Thanks for sharing it with us.

chozenfew805 04-01-2013 8:58 PM

:thumbsup: OP!

ArmyofMike 04-01-2013 9:00 PM

What great family treasures! Thanks for sharing.

nastyhabts26 04-01-2013 9:37 PM

Way cool

pdq_wizzard 04-01-2013 9:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccandgc (Post 9651155)
Thanks guys....these 2 are cornerstones of my collection. I'd love to shoot the Colt, but I'm hesitant.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lead Waster (Post 10864863)
Don't shoot it! Buy a modern 1911 and shoot that instead! Like you said, you wouldn't want to break anything in that 1911.

Seems a shame to hide it in a safe, too bad we can't display these things in our living rooms without fear of someone stealing it!

Why would you not shoot it? (not as a range toy, but you must shoot it from time to time)

It's a tool, look at it like this

"you don't shoot it, and it just sits in the safe"

"you do shoot it and it breaks, then it just sits in the safe" (I doubt this would happen, and if you are worried about it have a gun smith look it over)

ether way sounds like you will never sell it (or I would hope not) so ......

I just bought an M1 Garand from the CMP. I would spend thousands ++ $$ for another one if I knew and could get the one my grandfather carried in WWII, and even if I did get the one he carried, damn straight I would shoot it, but it would not be a range toy.


edit to add, I don't think I would shoot the Borchardt, just because I would not trust any ammo that I could find, but the 1911 should be good to go with any ball ammo.

adamo360 04-01-2013 10:26 PM

Beautiful guns! a TREAT for sure!

nothinghere2c 04-01-2013 10:40 PM

absolutely gorgeous 1911.

keep it in the family :)

IntoForever 04-01-2013 11:07 PM

Awesome!!! Thanks for sharing!


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