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jharry 01-13-2012 11:22 PM

W231 Powder experiences
 
I picked up some Winchester 231 a while back and tried it out on some 38 spl. Seems to work just fine for killing paper. I loaded some 158 gr Berry's with 4.0 gr of the 231 in the 38 spl.

Anyone have any experience with W231 for different loads/calibers?

It seems to find its way on a lot of lists in the books I've read but just how effective is it?

bumpo628 01-13-2012 11:50 PM

4.7 grains works well for 45 ACP - lead or fmj.

Fishslayer 01-13-2012 11:52 PM

I like it for 147gr 9mm loads. Also some 125gr .38 Special & .357 Magnum loads.

I've tried it in other 9mm & .45ACP loads. It's OK but I always wind up going back to Bullseye and Green Dot.

AlliedArmory 01-14-2012 4:48 AM

4.3gr under a MG 124gr JHP works well.

anyracoon 01-14-2012 5:14 AM

Been using it in 9mm & 45acp with very good results.

Bill Steele 01-14-2012 7:08 AM

There may be a load for W231/HP38 for just about every handgun caliber ever made. Great all around powder, I use it for my light target loads in .357M and .44RM.

jdg30 01-14-2012 7:19 AM

I use Win 231/HP-38 for all the calibers I load with good results. I use it for 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 acp, .38 special and .357. I like keeping it simple and not having to buy several different powders.

bruceflinch 01-14-2012 7:33 AM

25,000 rounds of .40 w/ W231, can't be wrong.

Divernhunter 01-14-2012 8:21 AM

It works well for me in 9mm & 45acp with my Dillon.

kurac 01-14-2012 8:34 AM

I use it now for 9mm, .38 Special, 40S&W, 45ACP and 44 Special it is probably not the best for each application but it works good enough for all the pistol chamberings that I load for, it meters nicely, and is readily available.

Clownpuncher 01-14-2012 9:09 AM

I use it for 9, 40, 38, 357 and 45. It is good all around powder. I like that I only have to use one powder for all those calibers.

GeoffLinder 01-14-2012 10:24 AM

If I could only have one pistol powder I would choose WW231

I have even loaded .44mag with it ;)

gigante 01-14-2012 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jharry (Post 7842409)
I picked up some Winchester 231 a while back and tried it out on some 38 spl. Seems to work just fine for killing paper. I loaded some 158 gr Berry's with 4.0 gr of the 231 in the 38 spl.

Anyone have any experience with W231 for different loads/calibers?

It seems to find its way on a lot of lists in the books I've read but just how effective is it?

That's the exact load I'm using for .38spl. Deadly out of my 3" SP101, scary accurate. Performs almost as well in my S&W 60, 67, 686. Use it for .45 as well. Good in 9mm, but I have not yet got it to be as accurate as Universal and Titegroup in 9mm, but i still have work to do to try and make it so. Hard to go wrong with W231. Meters great, plenty of load data, and usually available.

ireload 01-15-2012 11:55 PM

I've experienced good results with W231 for .357mag, 9mm, and 45acp. It's a good powder for across the board calibers.

Westla99 01-16-2012 12:29 AM

231 is really good but HS-6 throws smoother

sammy 01-16-2012 2:31 PM

I have used it in 9mm, .45acp and 10mm. If I could only use one it would be 231. Fairly clean too.

skibuff 01-16-2012 3:09 PM

Works great in Sig 226 9mm
Barrys 124 gr plated 4.6gr win321
Sierra TMJ 115 gr 4.6 gr win321
Laser cast 124 gr lead 4.2 win321
all 1.120OAL

morrow 01-16-2012 3:54 PM

w231/hp38 as others said is great for many calibers. I use it for 45acp and 9mm

erik_26 01-16-2012 8:20 PM

I am curious about the Winchester 231 also.

In my very limited reloading experience, so far I have only used Unique. It got the job done. Seems to be bulky enough that very easily tell if double charged.


When you guys tried other powders for the first time, is it obvious in the differences? Or if you think all wine tastes the same you probably wont be able to tell the difference in powders type of thing?

gun fu 01-17-2012 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erik_26 (Post 7858937)
I am curious about the Winchester 231 also.

In my very limited reloading experience, so far I have only used Unique. It got the job done. Seems to be bulky enough that very easily tell if double charged.


When you guys tried other powders for the first time, is it obvious in the differences? Or if you think all wine tastes the same you probably wont be able to tell the difference in powders type of thing?

You are on the right track by researching on the forums for direction. Ultimately, try/experiment different loads based on your use and needs. Start conservative and move up and you may find different accuracy results for every given load. Then once you are happy. Stick with it. Winchester/ Hogdon powders are the only way to go.

I've used 231 with 9mm, 40s&W.. what you should research how each powder is divided with different burn rates. Certain rates are used for particular caliber and use. IE: Major or Minor power factor Good shooting!

DVC

Dark Mod 01-17-2012 7:35 AM

Im a big fan of W231 in everything except magnum calibers, its great in 38 spl, not so great for .357 mag. For example, Max load with W231 nets you 1220 FPS, while with H110 a Starting load gets you 1410

ns3v3n 01-17-2012 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bumpo628 (Post 7842489)
4.7 grains works well for 45 ACP - lead or fmj.

This is my load exactly for Barry's plated 230 grain bullets. Very pleasent to shoot and accurate!

jonzer77 01-17-2012 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammy (Post 7856610)
I have used it in 9mm, .45acp and 10mm. If I could only use one it would be 231. Fairly clean too.

Same here, I use it in 38 super, 9mm, and 45.

ChrisToad 01-17-2012 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ns3v3n (Post 7861492)
This is my load exactly for Barry's plated 230 grain bullets. Very pleasent to shoot and accurate!

I do not like how smokey W231 is.

dmaverick 01-17-2012 11:55 AM

Works good in 9mm and .45 ACP. The only thing I don't like about it is that is very dirty.

CEDaytonaRydr 01-17-2012 11:57 AM

It works great in .40S&W...

I've tried it for .45 but found better results with Unique.

231 is a good propellant...

bill_k_lopez 01-20-2012 4:44 PM

240 grain Berry's plated bullets with 10.2 grains of W231 for 44 mag - my "indoor" load.

Jason_2111 01-22-2012 12:26 AM

I'm really getting great results with 4.9 grains of Win231 under a 170 grain precision bullet "black bullet" in 40 S&W.
I'm getting about a 60% increase in accuracy from my old stand-by of 4.5 grains of bullseye under a 180 grain Berry's plated... plus much cheaper bullets.

For quite a while, trying to find any Win231 anywhere in the Bay Area was like being on a treasure quest. It's showing up in more places again... which is a fine thing.

sirgrumps 01-22-2012 9:51 AM

I know the guys who used to run Western Re-Loading in Anaheim, CA

They used 231 for everything from 380 auto to 44mag.

You will not be able to max out velocity in almost all of the magnum cartridges, but you should be fine in most auto calibers, like 9mm, 40S&W, 45 ACP

theduece 01-22-2012 3:13 PM

Have tried it in .40 and .45acp still use it in .38spl 158grn lead. Light loads coming out of a snubbie.

Lead Waster 01-24-2012 1:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anyracoon (Post 7842800)
Been using it in 9mm & 45acp with very good results.

Interstingly 115 gn 9mm and 230 gn .45 acp can use the same load, about 4.6 gns 231!

kurac 01-24-2012 3:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lead Waster (Post 7906403)
Interstingly 115 gn 9mm and 230 gn .45 acp can use the same load, about 4.6 gns 231!

Yups! that had some play in my one powder idea a while back. Not having to mess with the powder meter between calibers is very nice.

Nick1236 12-07-2012 9:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ns3v3n (Post 7861492)
This is my load exactly for Barry's plated 230 grain bullets. Very pleasent to shoot and accurate!

I know this thread is old, but what OAL did you use for this load?

thanks

JaeOne3345 12-07-2012 10:34 AM

Not a bad powder but I prefer WST in 40, 45, and 9. Much cleaner when used with moly pistol bullets.

dmaverick 12-07-2012 3:15 PM

W231 is a good all around powder. Very soft in 9mm. The only thing I don't like about it is that it's very dirty with moly coated bullets.

dmaverick 12-07-2012 3:15 PM

W231 is a good all around powder. Very soft in 9mm. The only thing I don't like about it is that it's very dirty with moly coated bullets.

enzo357 12-07-2012 8:53 PM

Great powder for 9mm. 4.2 grains under a 124 grain bullet is a very smooth round.

JNunez23 12-07-2012 10:14 PM

Use this and Bullseye exclusively, love W231 though. Nice consistent powder throws.

sigstroker 12-07-2012 10:46 PM

I use 231 in 9mm. It's much cleaner than Bullseye or Unique. I used to shoot subgun a lot, and a smoky load becomes very obvious very quick. I'd like to know if anyone uses a less smoky load.

231 is low bulk, so it fits in a 9mm case. A lot of powders won't. Tried Power Pistol, but a max load still couldn't get any velocity out of it (~1050 fps).

SublimeJJ99 12-07-2012 11:15 PM

I use it for my .40 S&W loads. 6.3 gr. in my 140 gr. lead and 155 gr. plated bullets.

My dad uses it for his .45 ACP and .41 Mag loads. We always go halves on powder and found that W231 was a good choice for both of us.

We load the .40's and .45's in a Dillon 550 with no issues and always get accurate throws.


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