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FiveSeven 10-19-2011 8:08 PM

Non Traditional AK's (Not for Purist & wood people).
 
Yes, wood people, always come out of the woodwork when someone mentions in modifying an AK.
I like AK platform but dislike it's crude ergonomics and lack of versatility. I prefer a rifle that's useful for various tasks- be adaptable/modular at least somewhat and overall comfortable to shoot and handle. Traditional AK's and especially with wooden furniture just don't do it for me and AR's are not my thing either.
With that stated, there's many ways one can improve on AK just like with any other rifle that you prefer. AK's just so happen to be my preference.
Yes, all these mods make rifle easier to shoot/handle. In my particular experience they make the rifle more accurate as well and I believe its combinations of things.


Converted Saiga (newer series with 24mm FSB).
Cheek weld with this scope + Magpul CTR stock is outstanding, well balanced and very easy to place on target, a world of a difference when compared to traditional AK.
Those Hand guards dissipate heat much better than any wood or polymer.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...03/Saiga1a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08.../Saiga1abc.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...Saiga1abcd.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...3/Image1v5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...abcdefgh-1.jpg

IOR 4x24 (tac scope)

Russian 24mm compensator has internal baffle, reduces recoil a bit but sound very unusual/weird, not like any AK muzzle break I've shot with. Only drawback is that its not chromed lined as some of the other Russian muzzle devices. Needs to be removed for proper cleaning but that's not a big deal anyway. I use fine steel wool and it works well.

Surefire G2 (200lm LED).

Stamatos 10-19-2011 10:23 PM

Awesome build. Unique and best of all, it is what YOU want!
I'd do something similar if I had an AK.

norcal77 10-19-2011 11:18 PM

Interesting piece, I'd like it better in all flat black.

mrlonewolf 10-19-2011 11:38 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...rs/comrade.jpg

:p

Ryan in SD 10-19-2011 11:47 PM

Where did you get that brake from?

baz152 10-20-2011 12:38 AM

I like it. What kind of accuracy are you getting out of it with that scope? What stock tube is that? Finally, how do you like your light mount?

H2O MAN 10-20-2011 6:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiveSeven (Post 7353844)
Yes, wood people, always come out of the woodwork when someone mentions in modifying an AK.
I like AK platform but dislike it's crude egronomics and lack of versatility.
I prefer a rifle that's useful for various tasks- be adaptable/modular at least somewhat and overall comfortable to shoot and handle.
Traditional AK's and especially with wooden furniture just don't do it for me and AR's are not my thing either.

+1

http://www.athenswater.com/images/H2OsAKM.JPG

FiveSeven 10-20-2011 7:29 AM

^
Nice. $ well spent.


Quote:

I like it. What kind of accuracy are you getting out of it with that scope? What stock tube is that? Finally, how do you like your light mount?
Did not measure groups on paper but was able to shoot gallon milk jugs constantly at 180yd away (LRF) with out any problem. Have not shot any further, next time out will.
Tube is Aluminum from CSS, Flashlight & mount is good, It's slimmer in profile then some other ones out there. I had to fabricate the mount as in stock form it won't work on Midwest Ind rail in the up position.

Quote:

Interesting piece, I'd like it better in all flat black.
Own others, few similar in black.

Quote:

Awesome build. Unique and best of all, it is what YOU want!
I'd do something similar if I had an AK.
Thanks, definitely, if you ever get one it's so worth it.

Quote:

Where did you get that brake from?
http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/guns_accessories.htm

@mrlonewolf
Yes, he designed the rifle in the 40's and it was fine back then. We don't live in those times so why would people be locked with that ideology mindset in modern times?
To each it's own I guess, I'm not here to explain why technology/innovation is a good thing.
Anyway, M. Kalashnikov never really was in charge of what he wanted in a rifle either. What Soviet/Russian higher command wanted then it was done. Even currently Russians try to upgrade their AK to somehow modern standard, even if they look a bit off.....at least they try to keep up.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...654328-tfb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...tacticalAK.jpg
Some Russian army units and police also upgrade their AK's over traditional. Yes, some even with American stuff.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...1b90bb8_XL.jpg

chead 10-20-2011 11:16 AM

Tradition is boring.

http://i.imgur.com/NgGDNl.jpg

That Strikefire is sitting on an ultra-low mount now.

LOLfornia 10-21-2011 6:20 PM

FiveSeven, your build looks amazing! Is it easy to attach the CTR stock? I have no experience switching them out.

Thanks

Fot 10-21-2011 6:25 PM

looks nice man..

FiveSeven 10-21-2011 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOLfornia (Post 7365072)
FiveSeven, your build looks amazing! Is it easy to attach the CTR stock? I have no experience switching them out.

Thanks

Thanks, Yes it's very easy. Drop in installation. Take old stock out and attach this one it its place.
http://store.carolinashooterssupply....apsible/Detail
^
With this type of tube, you won't be able to mount some if not all side clamping scopes. The permanent sling mount (ear) prevents scope mount in lining up with the mount rails.
You would have to cut off sling mount.

Or you can get polymer tube for half the price. I have it on my other Saiga and it's just as good or even better.
http://store.carolinashooterssupply....4-Stock/Detail

1911pistola 10-22-2011 5:59 PM

Nice rifles guys. lets keep this thread going. Here is mine.:cool2:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/g...a/PA220037.jpg

FiveSeven 10-23-2011 1:57 PM

^
Nice.

Another Saiga, been trough several mods, this is the final one for sure.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08.../Image1c44.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...3/Image1cr.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...203/667744.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...%203/6655e.jpg

PK-01 V

Saiga 7.62x39 (3)
.
.

Cuerno_de_Chivo 10-23-2011 2:37 PM

I'm a wood person and I personally wouldn't put ANY of that stuff on mine but who cares. Each to his own. It's your rifle you can do whatever you want with it. But I'm curious of how it makes it more accurate.

FiveSeven 10-23-2011 2:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuerno_de_Chivo (Post 7373837)
But I'm curious of how it makes it more accurate.

Good Red dot/Scope make it more accurate OR makes it easier to be more accurate. Beats AK's front post anytime.
Red dot and especially scope requires constant/repetitive and proper cheek weld to maintain consistency in accuracy. Traditional stocks do not have any cheek support when it comes to optics unless red dot is low enough, like Ulimak gas tube mount.
Depends on a flash hider/muzzle brake you use. Some improve accuracy slightly and some degrade it horribly.

If a gun is more comfortable to shoot/handle then that in-itself will make it easier to shoot more accurately.

Updated: (more pics on page 9/10)
Saiga 5.45's
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...7.jpg~original
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...ps4295680f.jpg
Saiga 308
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...ps119e8f06.jpg

1911pistola 10-23-2011 5:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuerno_de_Chivo (Post 7373837)
I'm a wood person and I personally wouldn't put ANY of that stuff on mine but who cares. Each to his own. It's your rifle you can do whatever you want with it. But I'm curious of how it makes it more accurate.

I don't Know if rails and red dots, collapsible stocks etc, make it more accurate or not and I really don't care. I just wanted a non traditional AK.
I have several traditional AK'S .I just wanted something different.:43:

Cada Quen Que no?:)

Inquirer 10-23-2011 7:21 PM

1 Attachment(s)
It's not real yet, but here's my blueprint:

CK_32 10-23-2011 7:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiveSeven (Post 7353844)

Wow I never thought AK's could be tactical and look good but thats BAD AS*

Steve1968LS2 10-23-2011 8:19 PM

Nice.. I plan on keeping my 47 au-natural with wood and iron sights.. but this gives some great ideas from my 74.. :)

DavidRSA 10-23-2011 8:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1911pistola (Post 7369655)
Nice rifles guys. lets keep this thread going. Here is mine.:cool2:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/g...a/PA220037.jpg

THIS! Is my the best of seen so far. Wow! Are the iron sights still usable over the rail system?

I dont have an AK yet and plan on building one from a flat if I can get into one of the build parties.

What type is this? Can these mods (rail system, stock) be added to any AK, or do I have to stick to a specific brand of parts or country? As you can see I know nada about AK's.

jimmykan 10-23-2011 8:51 PM

Too many gadgets hanging off that AK.

What's the Soviet equivalent to mall ninja?

Commissary Ninja?

Yeah, too "commissary ninja."

FiveSeven 10-24-2011 4:14 PM

One of my other rifles, just finished it (didn't get a chance to shoot it yet).
Flash hider is little bit darker in real life then in these slightly processed photos. It's darker brownish in color (anti corrosion finish).

Saiga hand-guard modified/drilled (3 points) to accept short rail, Magpul AFG is very secure, rock solid. ACE SOCOM stock provides very good eye relief for the scope.
Very sturdy stock, have it on my other AK and liked it so much I got one for this rifle.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...203/5565-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...203/5543-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...ns%203/555.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...mage1n68-1.jpg

Scope was used on another rifle and it works well.
Since it was made for PSL it sits much lower than regular AK PSO type scope. Which is perfect, irons are still usable with the scope mounted.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...03/55678-1.jpg

Saiga 7.62x39 (4)
.

Len 10-25-2011 5:01 PM

My garage converted Saiga .308
-AK74 muzzle brake, this is an original AK74 brake that was bored to 7.62 dimensions
-Texas Weapon Systems top rail and aperture sight.
-Red Star Arms trigger group.
-VLTOR carbine stock adapter.
-Magpul CTR stock.
-US Palm grip.
-Krebs safety.
-Solar Tactical CA. magazine release.
-Custom made billet aluminum picatinny rail for Grip-pod with steel legs.
-Black Duracoat finish
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n...n/IMG_1419.jpg
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n...n/IMG_1418.jpg
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n...n/IMG_1413.jpg
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n...n/IMG_1417.jpg
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n...n/IMG_1416.jpg

Fern 10-25-2011 5:11 PM

Very nice pics all. I have one in the works also.

smattenson 10-25-2011 6:38 PM

Nice gun Len :)

MrPlink 10-25-2011 7:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smattenson (Post 7386838)
Nice gun Len :)

+1

I dig it.

I actually considered doing something similar to your set up with the rail/grip pod
but then I decided to get back to basics with mine

chead 10-29-2011 9:48 AM

That .308 is all kinds of yes. I'm glad we finally have a non-historic AK thread :)

technique 10-29-2011 11:05 AM

My AK-105
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/l...8/photo-13.jpg

AK-105/Plain Jane 74/ Non traditional 74
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/l.../Photo1-74.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/l.../Photo1-75.jpg

Whaaaa? :p
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/l.../Photo1-76.jpg

SJgunguy24 10-29-2011 1:07 PM

What do those guns seem familiar?

Len 10-29-2011 1:47 PM

OK, whats the skinny on the muzzle devices?
Those are too cool!

SJgunguy24 10-29-2011 2:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Len (Post 7408319)
OK, whats the skinny on the muzzle devices?
Those are too cool!

Those are BCM Battlecomp's in 24X 1.5 mm thread pattern. Nobody has those except a few people. They don't make them for sale.

technique 10-29-2011 3:26 PM

I think SJGG meant to say BCE, as in Battle Comp Enterprises.
They are pretty rare. When I got the 2 I own there were only 10 in existence.

I'll have a solid review up on those soon. I plan to hit the local conex
city with my GoPro and a few other cameras sometime next week.

The AK-105 was built by Valkyrie Arms as a pistol and SBR'ed by yours truly.
Probly why it looks so familiar to SJGG, he built it. It's the nicest AK I've ever
had the pleasure of riding hard and putting away wet.

chead 10-29-2011 5:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by technique (Post 7408741)
I think SJGG meant to say BCE, as in Battle Comp Enterprises.
They are pretty rare. When I got the 2 I own there were only 10 in existence.

I'll have a solid review up on those soon. I plan to hit the local conex
city with my GoPro and a few other cameras sometime next week.

The AK-105 was built by Valkyrie Arms as a pistol and SBR'ed by yours truly.
Probly why it looks so familiar to SJGG, he built it. It's the nicest AK I've ever
had the pleasure of riding hard and putting away wet.

If you don't mind revealing it, how much was the 105 pistol build?

SJgunguy24 10-29-2011 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by technique (Post 7408741)
I think SJGG meant to say BCE, as in Battle Comp Enterprises.
They are pretty rare. When I got the 2 I own there were only 10 in existence.

I'll have a solid review up on those soon. I plan to hit the local conex
city with my GoPro and a few other cameras sometime next week.

The AK-105 was built by Valkyrie Arms as a pistol and SBR'ed by yours truly.
Probly why it looks so familiar to SJGG, he built it. It's the nicest AK I've ever
had the pleasure of riding hard and putting away wet.


I built that Tan gun too, I was actually looking for that yesterday.

Revolver Ocelot 10-30-2011 3:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by technique (Post 7407655)

I thought the 105s had the polymer folding stock?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...lashnikova.jpg

SJgunguy24 10-30-2011 6:40 AM

They do, I didn't have one at the moment, and that had to get shipped out of state before the stock could be installed.

pacifico23 10-30-2011 9:21 AM

Battle comps on AK's never seen that. Once again technique you fail to disappoint. Here is my recent build


Here is mine. Recently done. Some of you may have seen the thread.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a...3&d=1319086778

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a...4&d=1319086803

FiveSeven 10-30-2011 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pacifico23 (Post 7411559)
Battle comps on AK's never seen that.

They been out for a while in 14x1, have it on my Draco and I like it better than PWS47.
The reason there not as popular as everything else out there is because the cost is pretty high for some.

ZX-10R 10-31-2011 6:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiveSeven (Post 7353844)
Yes, wood people, always come out of the woodwork when someone mentions in modifying an AK.
I like AK platform but dislike it's crude egronomics and lack of versatility. I prefer a rifle that's useful for various tasks- be adaptable/modular at least somewhat and overall comfortable to shoot and handle. Traditional AK's and especially with wooden furniture just don't do it for me and AR's are not my thing either.
With that stated, there's many ways one can improve on AK just like with any other rifle that you prefer. AK's just so happen to be my preference (won't go into it- don't care for vs. debates anymore).
Yes, all these mods make rifle easier to shoot/handle. In my particular experience they make the rifle more accurate as well and I believe its combinations of things.


Converted Saiga (newer series with 24mm FSB).
Cheek weld with this scope + Magpul CTR stock is outstanding, well balanced and very easy to place on target, a world of a difference when compared to traditional AK.
Those Hand guards dissipate heat much better than any wood or polymer.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...03/Saiga1a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08.../Saiga1abc.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...Saiga1abcd.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...3/Image1v5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/08...abcdefgh-1.jpg

IOR 4x24 (tac scope)

Russian 24mm compensator has internal baffle, reduces recoil a bit but sound very unusual/weird, not like any AK muzzle break I've shot with. Only drawback is that its not chromed lined as some of the other Russian muzzle devices. Needs to be removed for proper cleaning but that's not a big deal anyway. I use fine steel wool and it works well.

Surefire G2 (200lm LED).


Extremely well done. That thing must be a shooter. I can't believe I missed this thread. Yeah ergos, LOP, and optics make an AK an extremely nice platform.


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