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tenpercentfirearms 07-11-2011 10:09 AM

FFL FAQ Master Thread (all dealer questions look here first!)
 
Ok, for simplicity's sake, here are all of the most commonly asked questions that dealers need to know. A master thread of all of our pooled Calguns information.

#1, here is the CA DOJ FAQ. http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs.php

#2, here is the BATFE FAQ. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/industry/

#3, here is the CFLC FAQ (out of state dealers, it is too easy to use to stop selling to CA!). http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcfaqs.php

#4, when to collect Sales Tax. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=366781

#5, proof of residency requirements. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=327217

#6, how do I handle PPTs? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=117004

#7, how do I handle the lock (FSD) requirements? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=254024

#8, do I have to send my FFL to non-licensees? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=381561

#9, as an out of state dealer, what can I ship into CA? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?p=6755729

#10, what are the shipping rules in general for firearms? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...4#post10218124

#11, What are the perks of being an FFL in CA? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?p=6949087

For these next two answers, they are still a debatable topic. I would advise any dealer not comfortable doing either of these two things, simply not do them. The key is to create a policy and have it in writing for customers to know before hand. Communication is the key.

#12, can you add long guns to a DROS? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=425903

#13, Can you add long guns to a handgun DROS? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=230841

As we decide that there are anymore questions that need a sticky, we will add them here. If you have a new question not covered here, please ask in a new thread. If it is a common one, we will reference that thread here.

Thank you everyone.

jksupplyco 07-11-2011 10:48 AM

Nice work!

MudCamper 07-12-2011 8:26 AM

Well, you asked non-FFL holders to look here, so I've got a stupid question.

How much is the DROS fee? Or more specifically, how much can an FFL charge? What additional things does he add in there and just call fees? My local gun shops all charge different amounts. And I'm not talking about transfers. For the guns they sell in their shop they each charge differing amounts.

ETA: Well part of my answer is here. But that says $25. One of my local shops charges $35 and another charges $45. Again, this is for guns that they stock and sell.

tenpercentfirearms 07-12-2011 8:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MudCamper (Post 6755927)
Well, you asked non-FFL holders to look here, so I've got a stupid question.

How much is the DROS fee? Or more specifically, how much can an FFL charge? What additional things does he add in there and just call fees? My local gun shops all charge different amounts. And I'm not talking about transfers. For the guns they sell in their shop they each charge differing amounts.

ETA: Well part of my answer is here. But that says $25. One of my local shops charges $35 and another charges $45. Again, this is for guns that they stock and sell.

$25 is it! That is all they can charge. If they have "DROS" listed on the receipt for any amount over $25, it is an illegal charge. Call them on it.

Now they can call it "DROS Processing Fee", "dealer fee" or just add it into the price of their guns, but calling it DROS over $25 is illegal.

MudCamper 07-12-2011 8:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tenpercentfirearms (Post 6756031)
$25 is it! That is all they can charge. If they have "DROS" listed on the receipt for any amount over $25, it is an illegal charge. Call them on it.

Now they can call it "DROS Processing Fee", "dealer fee" or just add it into the price of their guns, but calling it DROS over $25 is illegal.

I will point them to this thread. Arguing with a gun shop owner or employee is like arguing with a cop. Futile.

Thanks!

ETA: I will try bringing this printout of the DOJ FAQ on the subject. I also included the rebuke to the "11 day wait".

MudCamper 07-20-2011 7:20 PM

I took the liberty of creating a tinyurl to this thread: tinyurl.com/fflfaq

morrcarr67 07-23-2011 12:42 PM

Where is your link to Bill's info on Single Shot/Single Action Exempt rules? I think all FFL's should have this info.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=441766

tenpercentfirearms 07-23-2011 4:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morrcarr67 (Post 6825726)
Where is your link to Bill's info on Single Shot/Single Action Exempt rules? I think all FFL's should have this info.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=441766

Added to the What is legal to ship into California? thread.

Santa Cruz Armory 07-24-2011 11:06 AM

This is a great resource/ reference! Thanks Wes.

tenpercentfirearms 08-12-2011 8:52 AM

I just added #10, What are the perks of being an FFL in CA? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?p=6949087

curvejunkie 10-23-2011 10:03 PM

This is an outstanding resource. It is much appreciated.

justin_5585 11-28-2011 2:30 PM

Not to clutter the FAQ, but if you are a FFL and legally stocking standard capacity magazines (with the appropriate permit) and/or off-roster handguns, are you allowed to carry/shoot them? If you are the sole owner of the business, do the guns belong to you, or the business? What happens if you close your doors and/or let permit lapse? Are there requirements to sell "X" number of items per year? Thanks,

tenpercentfirearms 01-27-2012 8:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin_5585 (Post 7576168)
Not to clutter the FAQ, but if you are a FFL and legally stocking standard capacity magazines (with the appropriate permit) and/or off-roster handguns, are you allowed to carry/shoot them? If you are the sole owner of the business, do the guns belong to you, or the business? What happens if you close your doors and/or let permit lapse? Are there requirements to sell "X" number of items per year? Thanks,

Company inventory belongs to the company and there is no restrictions on using general company property (assault weapons have more specific rules).

If you are the sole owner, the company still owns them, but you own the company.

If you close the doors or let your permits expire, then the firearms must be sold. You cannot DROS non-rostered firearms to yourself unless you are LEO or the firearm is exempt in a SSE or other configuration.

There is no requirement to sell any number of anything per year.

I ran out of time to discuss magazines.

kemasa 02-06-2012 11:27 AM

Wes, could you add this to the first post?

You can sign up for ATF newsletters at:

http://www.atf.gov/publications/newsletters/

Firearms Industry Releases can be signed up for at:

http://www.atf.gov/press/industry/firearms/

MGM Tactical 03-15-2012 7:00 AM

How about a thread for what dealers should expect from a DOJ, ATF, or BOE audit?

kemasa 01-11-2013 5:27 PM

How about a thread for shipping questions? USPS/UPS/FedEx, shipping handguns, etc. Some FFLs think that it is required by law to ship handguns overnight.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...4#post10218124

ArmedCMT 01-14-2013 7:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kemasa (Post 10183587)
How about a thread for shipping questions? USPS/UPS/FedEx, shipping handguns, etc. Some FFLs think that it is required by law to ship handguns overnight.

speaking of shipping guns.....another calgunner and myself are talking about trading handguns and shipping would be best since im in northridge and he is in oceanside. whats our best option? he has a kitchen table ffl who is going to ship and receive for him. my lgs will receive for me but will not ship. can i ship direct to his ffl?

kemasa 01-15-2013 9:21 AM

Please start a new thread, this thread is not the place to ask specific questions, it is for the FAQ.

tenpercentfirearms 01-15-2013 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kemasa (Post 10183587)
How about a thread for shipping questions? USPS/UPS/FedEx, shipping handguns, etc. Some FFLs think that it is required by law to ship handguns overnight.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...4#post10218124

Done. Thanks Ken.

grego31 04-26-2014 7:48 AM

How about a thread about all the notices and regulations, laws, etc.. that need to be posted in plain view?


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