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Cyc Wid It 01-12-2011 6:18 PM

Single Shot Exemption Explanation/Database Thread
 
With Brown's signing of AB 1964, SSE appears to go away as of Jan 1, 2015.
SUMMARY:
The 'single shot exemption' or 'SSE' is an exception to California's Roster of Handguns. Guns in the SSE configuration may be sold in California, regardless of whether they are on the Roster. They must actually be safely functional, and must be capable of firing only one shot before reloading.See also BWiese Feb 8 2014

Once delivered to the buyer, the original parts may be re-installed and original functionality will be restored.
As before, any updates/additions/corrections/suggestions are welcome. I am not an employee nor am I affiliated with any FFL in any capacity other than customer. I will check this thread fairly regularly, or you can PM me.
This mini database is broken into sections, please use control+F with "Section X" to jump to the pertinent section (as of now, this seems to be the easiest way to navigate a long post):

Section 1- legal
Section 2- plain English explanation of the process
Section 3- FFL's who are performing this process, and the capacity in which they are doing the conversions
Section 4- FFL's who are willing to transfer these items and their location/information
Section 5- out of state vendors who will NOT ship off-roster items to CA
FAQ in next post

Section 1: Legal

12133. (a) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a
single-action revolver that has at least a 5-cartridge capacity
with a barrel length of not less than three inches, and meets
any of the following specifications:
(1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or
relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of
Federal Regulations.
(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least 71/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and
barrel are assembled.
(3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at
least 71/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and
barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for
importation into the United States pursuant to the provisions
of paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18
of the United States Code.

(b) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a
single-shot pistol with a barrel length of not less than six
inches and that has an overall length of at least 10 1/2 inches
when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.

**note: anything not explicitly prohibited by the law is legal


Section 2: Explanation

- This conversion can be done by a private party (unlikely for them to have the parts) prior to shipping.
- This reversible conversion generally entails a replacement barrel of greater length and a mag lock (not revolvers). There are no permanent modifications to the gun.
- Keep in mind that certain guns, due to the nature of demand and or design, will be prohibitively expensive or not readily available to be converted.
- Either complete DROS at that FFL or have it shipped to an FFL who is willing to accept guns in this format. Note, this may require a deposit on the parts from the FFL.
- Take possession of the gun after DROS.
- Return the gun to its original configuration (note, for guns with the magazine outside of the grip, a bullet button must be used, and you cannot use "normal capacity" magazines).
BWeise 1

BWeise 2
Recipe:

1. Convert to single shot
2. DROS and wait
3. Deliver
4. Re-convert
Section 3: FFL's doing this work

NorCal


Shop:

Auburn Guns & Ammo
135 Sutherland Drive
Auburn, CA 95603
(530) 852-7733
Hours: Mon-Fri 10am - 5pm
Capacity: common guns in 9mm, 380acp, 10mm, 40sw, and 45acp, inquire within
Rate: $50 for guns purchased eslewhere
Shipping: No

Shop:
Bear Arms Precision
South Lake Tahoe, CA 96150
530-816-0476
Hours: Appointment only
Capacity: Sig 238/ 938/ 220 variants/ 226/ 228/ 229, 1911 and Glock models soon
Rate: $150
Shipping: no

Shop:
Placer Tactical
533 Lincoln Blvd. Ste 7
Lincoln, Ca 95648
916-996-5510
Hours: Appointment only
Capacity: common guns in 9mm, 380acp, 10mm, 40sw, and 45acp, inquire within
Rate: Contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Tracy Rifle and Pistol
2726 Naglee Road
Tracy, CA 95304-7309
(209) 565-4867
Hours:
Mon-Sat 10 am - 7pm
Capacity: AR/AK/Mac 10, LCP, Glock Gen 4, Sig, HK45, HK P30, Kahr p380, 1911 .40/.45, xDm
Rate: contact the shop

Shop:
Wild Bill's Old West Trading Co.
10490 East Stockton Blvd, Ste 150
Elk Grove, CA 95624
(916) 686-7699
Hours: contact shop
Capacity: Gen 4 Glocks, LCP
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Bay Area

Shop:
Brian Nussbaum Company
1336 North Carolan Avenue, Suite One
Burlingame, CA 94010
Local Phone: 650-359-3442
Toll Free Phone: 800-870-3442
Fax: 650-347-4536
BNCFFL.COM
Hours:
Tues - Fri 10 am - 7pm
Sat 10am - 5pm
Capacity: most common pistols, contact shop
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: no

Shop:
Cordelia Gun Exchange
4733 Central Way
Fairfield CA 94534
(707) 864-2666
Hours:
Tu-Fr 11-7
Sa 11-6
Capacity: Anything in .380, 9, 40, .45, any 1911, pretty much anything.
Rate: No SSE Fees
Shipping: Will ship firearms, but not firearms in SSE configuration.

Shop:
City Arms East
60 Golf Club Road #B
Pleasant Hill, CA 94523
(925) 691-5981
http://city-arms.com/
Hours:
Tu-Fri 11-7
Sat 11-5
Capacity: Inquire within
Rate: Inquire within
Shipping: no

Shop:
Digital Instincts
1101 Reed Ave
Ste B
Sunnyvale, CA 94086
(408) 682-0066
digital-instincts.com
Hours:
Mon-Fri 10am - 8pm
Sat-Sun 10am - 6pm
Capacity: 1911's, Gen 4 9MM Glock, HK45 and 45C, HK P30, CZ-75 variants, and 9MM S&W M&P variants like the Pro Series and Core
Rate: $100 including DROS
Shipping: no

Shop:
Metal Dog Tactical Supply
2128 N First Street
Suite D
San Jose CA 95131
(408)437-AR15
sales@metaldogtactical.com
http://www.metaldogtactical.com/
Hours:
Tues-Fri 11am -7pm
Sat 12pm - 5pm
Capacity: 1911's
Rate: Contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Mount Pleasant Arms
2275 Mount Pleasant Rd
San Jose, CA 95148-1817'
408-768-9151
peter@mparms.com
http://www.mparms.com/
Hours: By appointment in the evenings - closed Wednesdays and Sundays
Capacity: http://www.mparms.com/Single-Shot-Exemptions_ep_67.html
Rate: Contact shop
Shipping: No

Central

Shop:
Breco Enterprises
1508 Tollhouse Road, Suite A
Clovis, CA 93611
(559) 322-1710
Hours: contact shop
Capacity: SSE all pistols in .380ACP, 9MM, .40S&W, .45ACP and 10MM, AR/AK pistols
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Cencal Guns
Visalia, CA
(559) 827-5131
Hours: contact shop
Capacity: contact shop
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Elite Arms & Supply
1148 S Main St
Manteca, CA 95337
(209) 823-4400
http://elitearmsandsupply.com/index.html
Hours:
T-F 10am - 7pm
S 10am - 6pm
Capacity: most common models including Glocks, Sigs, 1911's, M&P, etc.
Rate: inquire within
Shipping: no

Shop:

Full Spectrum Firearms
4708 N. Marty Ave.
Fresno, CA 93722
1-844-GUN-GUYS (486-4897)
email: grunts@fullspectrumfirearms.com
Website: http://www.fullspectrumfirearms.com/
Hours:
M-S 9am - 6pm
Su 9am - 5pm
Capacity: most common models, inquire within
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Goodland Guns
5708 Hollister Ave Unit D
Goleta, CA 93117
(805) 845-1406
http://goodlandguns.com
sales@goodlandguns.com
Hours:
T-F 10:30am - 6pm
S 10am - 3pm
Capacity: any .380/9mm/.40 S&W/.45 ACP handgun that can have the barrel removed, 1911's in .38 super, 9mm, or .45. Ruger SR22, and Smith & Wesson M&P. Revolver conversion from double to single for most models.
Rate: $50 for in house guns (often included in price), $100 for guns purchased elsewhere
Shipping: Yes. $150 deposit.

Shop:
Spencer's Firearms
14402 Hwy 41
Madera, CA 93636
(559) 822-4369
Hours:
Tue-Fri 10am - 7pm
Sat 10am - 6pm
Capacity: 1911, Hi-Power, Glock Gen 4
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
PRK
5530 East Lamona Avenue
Fresno, CA 93727-2277
(559) 283-8666
Hours:
Tues-Thurs 10am - 5pm
Fri 10am - 6pm
Sat 10am - 4pm
Capacity: AR/AK/Mac 10, LCP, xDm, Glock Gen 4, 1911's. etc.
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Cyc Wid It 01-13-2011 2:38 PM

SoCal

Shop:
2A Zone
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
(866) 270-7858
Hours: appointment only
Capacity: most common models, transfers only http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=904714
Rate: $100 total including DROS/transfer fees
Shipping: no

Shop:
Addax Tactical
1431 Truman St.
Unit E
San Fernando, CA 91340
(818) 361-5008
Hours:
Tues-Fri 11am - 6pm
Sat 11am - 4pm
Capacity:
Most Glock Gen 4 models (with exception to the Glock 42 until we make the SSE barrel for this).
Most SIG models
S&W M&P's
Most 1911's with the exception of bull barrel type configurations. (9mm 1911 SSE is in the works).
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: no

Shop:
American Gun Works
1837 W. Glenoaks Blvd.
Glendale, CA 91201
phone: (818) 956-6010
fax: (818) 548-8606
http://www.americangunworks.net/index.php
Hours:
Tue-Fri 10am - 6pm
Sat 10am - 4pm
Capacity: 1911, Glock Gen 4
Rate: $100
Shipping: No

Shop:
AmmoParadise
Anaheim, CA 92807
(714) 864-8064
sales@ammoparadise.com
https://www.ammoparadise.com
Hours: by appointment
Capacity: AR/AK Pistols, Glock (all models), Beretta, Sig, HK, xDm, 1911's, S&W semi-auto, CZ, FN, etc. Including most 45ACP, 40SW, 380, 9mm - inquire within for special requests
Rate: Included on firearms purchased or ordered through shop, $100 on firearms purchased elsewhere
Shipping: No

Shop:
AO Sword Firearms
929 E Main St, El Cajon, CA 92021
(619) 749-4867
Hours:
Mon-Fri 10am - 6pm
Sat 10am - 5pm
Capacity: AR, AK, and most semiautomatic pistols, including single stack and double stack.
Rate: ~$75
Shipping: No

Shop:
Direct Action Solutions
722 Genevieve Street, Suite G
Solana Beach, CA 92075
(858) 436-7088
Hours:
Tues-Sat 10am - 6pm
Capacity: HK45, FNP-45, AR pistols, Draco pistols, 1911's
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:[INDENT]EBR Works
Newbury Park, CA 91320
***ALL SSE INVENTORY SOLD OUT. TRANSFER CALENDAR IS FULL FOR THE REMAINDER OF 2014***

Shop:
Get A Gun
12622 Knights Bridge Place
Bakersfield, CA 93312
(661) 978-6450
Hours: contact shop
Capacity: AR/AK pistols, LCP
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Gunfighter Tactical (formerly 'Wiser Owl')
6904 Miramar Rd
Unit 105
San Diego, CA 92121
at Carroll Rd in Miramar
(858) 547-9999
Hours:
M,W-F: 10am-7pm
S: 10am-4pm
Capacity: contact shop
Rate: no charge for SSE
Shipping: no

Shop:
OC Armory
23012 Del Lago Dr
Suite B
Laguna Hills, Ca 92653
949-768-5189
Hours:
Tues- Fri 12pm-9pm
Sat. 9am 6pm
Capacity: Most pistols .380 and larger and revolvers longer than 3" with more than 5 cylinders.
Rate: $45 pistol transfer $55 SSE DROS $25
Shipping: No

Shop:
Hollow Point V
Simi Valley, CA 93065
(805) 325-0111
www.gunshopsimivalley.com
Hours: Appointment only
Capacity: contact shop hollowpointv@att.net
Rate: $120 for SSE including DROS
Shipping: no

Shop:
Limited-10
7960 Silverton ave suite 105
San Diego, Ca 92126
Hours: Appointment only
Capacity: Most glocks, 1911/2011 frames
Rate: $100 1911/2011 frames, guns no SSE fee (only transfer fee)
Shipping: No

Shop:
Own More Guns
Simi Valley, CA 93065
(805) 304-7931
omgtactical@yahoo.com
Hours: Appointment only
Capacity: All .380 ACP, 9mm, .40 S&W & .45 ACP
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Parallax Tactical
5276 Eastgate Mall
San Diego, CA 92121
(619) 630-4869
http://www.parallaxtactical.com
Hours:
Tues-Fri 11am - 6pm
Sat 12pm - 7pm
Sat 12pm - 5pm
Capacity:
Walther PPQ in 9mm
CZ - 75 9mm SP01, 9mm Omega, 9mm P07
XDm - All Calibers and Sizes
Sig - P226 9mm and .40, P220 .45, P229 9mm
Smith & Wesson - M&P9 Full Size and PRO/CORE
HK - P30 9mm, HK45, HK45c
1911's - .45 only
Glock - all calibers and sizes except sub-compact 10mm, any .357 sig, any .45 GAP
FN - FNP45, FNX45, FNX9, FNS9
Rate: $100 + tax + DROS
Shipping: No

Shop:
PD Gun Supply & Tool Inc.
2053 Glenoaks Blvd.
San Fernando, CA 91340
(818) 322 4585
Hours:
Tues-Thurs 12pm - 7pm
Fri 12pm - 6pm
Sat 12pm - 5pm
PDG8186746744@gmail.com
Capacity: 1911's, Glocks
Rate: contact shop
Shipping: No

Shop:
Scorpion Arms
20732 Soledad Street #G
Santa Clarita, CA 91351
Tel: (661) 388-2250
Fax: (661) 388-2251
http://scorpionarms.net/
Hours:
Tues-Sat 10am - 6pm
Capacity: Gen 4 Glock, 1911, other models on a case by case basis
Rate: $150 for common models
Shipping: no

Shop:
TDS guns
4370 Bonita Rd, Chula Vista, CA 91902
(619) 434-8895
Hours:
M-S: 11am-7pm
Su: 10am-4pm
Capacity: contact shop
Rate: no fee for guns bought through shop, $200 for outside transfers all inclusive
Shipping: no

Shop:
VC Defense
Thousand Oaks, CA 91362
(805) 380-6486
Sales@VCDefense.com
http://www.VCDefense.com
Hours: by appointment only
Rates (+tax, 7.5% if applicable + DROS): Included with pistol purchased from VC Defense, $150 for SSEs from other dealers without hardware, $60 for SSEs with hardware from another dealer/ customer or for On Roster transfers. Call or email for SSE of or for custom AR pistol builds.
Shipping: No

Out of State

Shop: Table Rock

Cyc Wid It 01-14-2011 2:29 PM

Section 4: Shops that are willing to accept transfers in this form

NorCal

California Handgun Exchange (Cottonwood)
Golden Bear Arms (El Dorado Hills)
Norse Armory (Woodland)
Robert Marine (Eureka)
Roberts Gunsmithing and Police Supply (Folsom)

Bay Area

Eddy's Shooting Sports (Mountain View)
Kevin Smith (Martinez)
Republic of Northern Calif Armory (Oakley)
Rob Blank (Milpitas)
Santa Cruz Armory (Santa Cruz)

Central

JK Supply Co (Ione)
Mad River Arms (Riverbank)
Tenpercent Firearms (Taft)

SoCal

Addax Tactical (San Fernando)
Aegis (Burbank)
Bright Spot Pawn (Riverside)
EBR Works (Newbury Park)
Echo Arms (East Orange County)
Fort Courage Armory (Simi Valley)
Gusslers (Santee)
HIT Armory (Upland)
MGM Tactical (Bakersfield)
OC Armory (Laguna Hills)
Pennington Firearms (Wildomar)
Professional Armament Services (Anaheim)
Riflegear (Fountain Valley)
Straightline Tactical (Anaheim)
SWI Firearms (Santa Ana)
Tin Star Supply (Oak Hills/Hesperia)
West Coast Survival Arms (Chula Vista)


Section 5: Out of state vendors who will not ship off roster guns to CA, support vendors that support us

Bud's Gun Shop
STI *maybe some improvement on this front, YMMV
Nelson Tactical
Springfield Armory

FAQ

Q: Where (in the law) does it say that I can convert a gun back to normal capacity?
A: If not prohibited by the law, it is legal. In this case, you are merely performing gunsmithing work. Just keep AW laws in mind.

Q: How do I know this thread has the correct information?
A: I have done my best to combine my own research with outside input/corrections. While I am not a lawyer (yet :D), this process has the CGF legal team "seal of approval" and some shops have been visited by both CGF legal folks and the DOJ already without issue.

Q: Can I shoot my gun in single shot exempt form?
A: Yes, and in theory nothing out of the ordinary should happen. Is it recommended? No.

Q: Why won't a shop ABC convert gun XYZ?
A: There are a few possible reasons. First, the gun's design could make a conversion cost/time prohibitive. Secondly, there may not be enough demand for this particular gun. In this case, you could try and organize a group buy to demonstrate demand, or pay more. Finally, the shop may be so overloaded with work that your particular gun is just not high enough on their list yet. In this case, a group buy may or may not bump your gun up on the priority list.

Q: Does this process work for revolvers?
A: Yes, there are somewhat different requirements, but the process works for revolvers as well.

Q: If I decide to sell this gun later, what happens?
A: You can sell it the same way as any other off-roster gun in CA.

Q: What will it say on my DROS?
A: Under type - single shot exempt.

Q: My favorite shop doesn't believe these conversions are legal, how can I convince them?
A: Unfortunately, many shops don't feel comfortable with things that are completely legal. The best you can do is show them the penal code and/or direct them to the CGF legal team if they are willing.

Q: Can I use a gun transferred in this way on my CCW?
A: Yes. The gun, once returned to its original configuration, is fine to put on your CCW, like any other off-roster pistol.

Q: Why can't/won't these shops ship their conversions?
A: Some of them did at first. However, many customers lagged or did not return the parts. Every gun sold in this form must remain converted during the 10 day waiting period so there's no rotating of parts possible. The backlog created by people being lazy/inconsiderate/whatever with returning parts has caused them to stop. Even with the deposit system (which many people would balk at), in the event of a late return other customers are still backed up as shops have to hound the customer or make new parts.
*note - there is new legal advice stating that it may not be necessary to keep the guns in exempted form during the 10 day waiting period (during DROS and pickup only)

G1500 05-17-2011 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theneko (Post 6418591)
jbsg- if you do a SSE you can then legally convert the gun to fire <10 rounds. If you legally bought it and legally changed it from a SS, you can put it on your permit. You are not modifying the gun from it's factory-original configuration.

You convert it from a single shot, to a semi auto. It can fire how ever many rounds you have magazines for. If you have older Glock mags, you can use them in your newer Glock.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drclark (Post 6419378)
Just trying to understand the 07 ffl requirement. Understand that an 07 ffl is required to modify guns while in the shop's possession. However if my cousin in Oklahoma has an off roster handgun in his private possession that I would like to buy, can he do the single shot conversion and then ship to one of the CA 01 ffls who will DROS a sse?

Yes. Problem is, regular dealers can sell the off roster pistols to roster exempt people, but they cannot legally modify the functionality of the firearm. The way they get it is the way they have to sell it. If it is not CA compliant for whatever reason, it must go to an 07 FFL, or return to sender.

G1500 05-18-2011 2:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aatruong (Post 6423247)
Has anyone worked with ammo brothers (Ontario) for these single shot transfer?

I am waiting for an actual confirmation from them, rather than "Should be no problem".

A few guys still think it is 'illegal' to convert a single shot to semi auto (XDm, Glock, Draco, AR, etc). Im hoping to get an XDm soon through them, otherwise, it will be bright spot or Rifle Gear.

JaeFern 05-18-2011 2:23 PM

This is kind of iffy in my opinion. Andy, based on how things went today, I think they're still unsure of themselves. The guy that did the PPT for us today wasn't sure how to do an off-roster PPT even though it's done like any other one. Then their boss or supervisor seemed skeptical about the whole single shot exemption and that they've never done one for regular pistols, just the AR pistols and AK pistols. Then again, they said if it's legal they'll do it. The guy who helped us said they will so go for it but I'd rather go through someone who was sure that they will do it.
Thanks again Andy! You've helped me complete my XDm collection... Maybe you can help me start my 1911 collection next? Haha

G1500 05-18-2011 2:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaeFern (Post 6423520)
This is kind of iffy in my opinion. Andy, based on how things went today, I think they're still unsure of themselves. The guy that did the PPT for us today wasn't sure how to do an off-roster PPT even though it's done like any other one. Then their boss or supervisor seemed skeptical about the whole single shot exemption and that they've never done one for regular pistols, just the AR pistols and AK pistols. Then again, they said if it's legal they'll do it. The guy who helped us said they will so go for it but I'd rather go through someone who was sure that they will do it.
Thanks again Andy! You've helped me complete my XDm collection... Maybe you can help me start my 1911 collection next? Haha

I don't know why some people have a hard time doing single shot off roster pistols such as the XDM, but never have a problem with AR pistols and AK pistols.

It is done in the exact same way, they are all off roster pistols in an exempt form.

Cyc Wid It 05-18-2011 2:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G1500 (Post 6423650)
I don't know why some people have a hard time doing single shot off roster pistols such as the XDM, but never have a problem with AR pistols and AK pistols.

It is done in the exact same way, they are all off roster pistols in an exempt form.

You give certain people too much credit.

RippSpeed 05-18-2011 5:59 PM

+1 for Table Rock Arms

I'm a happy customer of Ryan @ Table Rock Arms. Ryan has great customer service and was very patient with me thru the whole process. He couldnt supply the pistol; I wanted. He happily did the transfer from another dealer.

I wanted a rare to find HK P30LS variant 1. Only 200 of these came here to the country and with the help of fellow HK'ers I found one a swooped it up. Ryan, was very strong about getting the pistol I wanted... He said since he couldnt supply the P30LS variant 1. He was more than happy to help me with the transfer and the one shot conversion.

My P30LS is on its way to great guys @ StraightLine Tactical, as we speak. I cant wait to get her out of 10day jail. I'll definitely go back to Table Rock Arms for my next purchase...

P.S.
CZ guys get ready... Ryan is working of barrels for you guys.

Table Rock Arms 05-18-2011 7:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RippSpeed (Post 6425145)
+1 for Table Rock Arms

I'm a happy customer of Ryan @ Table Rock Arms. Ryan has great customer service and was very patient with me thru the whole process. He couldnt supply the pistol; I wanted. He happily did the transfer from another dealer.

I wanted a rare to find HK P30LS variant 1. Only 200 of these came here to the country and with the help of fellow HK'ers I found one a swooped it up. Ryan, was very strong about getting the pistol I wanted... He said since he couldnt supply the P30LS variant 1. He was more than happy to help me with the transfer and the one shot conversion.

My P30LS is on its way to great guys @ StraightLine Tactical, as we speak. I cant wait to get her out of 10day jail. I'll definitely go back to Table Rock Arms for my next purchase...

P.S.
CZ guys get ready... Ryan is working of barrels for you guys.

Thanks for the kind words. I have been doing my best to stay on top of things, but I have been swamped with requests. Funny thing is when I had two barrels I was thinking if I had a couple more I would be set. Now I have probably 20 barrels and I am just as far behind as when I had 2.

Ryan

edit: Thinking about it now I have about 30 barrels for single shot conversion.

Cyc Wid It 05-21-2011 1:26 PM

The OP has been updated.

morrcarr67 05-21-2011 1:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyc Wid It (Post 6443061)
The OP has been updated.

Really like what you did with the OP.

:clap:

Librarian 05-21-2011 2:21 PM

Trimmed out most of the old posts, as the info was moved to the original post.

Good job, Cyc Wid It!

2fast4u 05-21-2011 3:54 PM

Any local So.Cal. Shops doing the work yet?

mikaarce 05-21-2011 6:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2fast4u (Post 6443744)
Any local So.Cal. Shops doing the work yet?

If you're near Solana beach, call Direct Action Solutions! They were starting on SSE.

Rocket Man 05-21-2011 8:06 PM

I just gotta say how nice it was to do business with Valkyrie Arms for two of my three single shots. No attitude, no looking down noses at me saying no no no, just cool real people. I drove two hours to do business with them again for this reason. :clap:

A BIG thank you to CG also for helping navigate the gun law land mine field with the single shot threads, AW flow charts, 2A threads & the pooled knowledge has kept me legal & shooting the guns I want....well most of the guns I want heh heh :83:

1nickatnite1 05-21-2011 8:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocket Man (Post 6444927)
I just gotta say how nice it was to do business with Valkyrie Arms for two of my three single shots. No attitude, no looking down noses at me saying no no no, just cool real people. I drove two hours to do business with them again for this reason. :clap:

A BIG thank you to CG also for helping navigate the gun law land mine field with the single shot threads, AW flow charts, 2A threads & the pooled knowledge has kept me legal & shooting the guns I want....well most of the guns I want heh heh :83:

Absolutely agree. Went in tonight and bought a XDM from. They explained the SSC process to me and were as friendly as can be. They are now my default gun shop in the bay area!

12voltguy 05-21-2011 8:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RLW (Post 6425761)
Thanks for the kind words. I have been doing my best to stay on top of things, but I have been swamped with requests. Funny thing is when I had two barrels I was thinking if I had a couple more I would be set. Now I have probably 20 barrels and I am just as far behind as when I had 2.

Ryan

edit: Thinking about it now I have about 30 barrels for single shot conversion.

+1 for Table Rock Arms
;)

tuna quesadilla 05-21-2011 10:27 PM

Anyone have experience buying off-roster guns from Bud's Gun Shop?

JaeFern 05-22-2011 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RLW (Post 6425761)
Thanks for the kind words. I have been doing my best to stay on top of things, but I have been swamped with requests. Funny thing is when I had two barrels I was thinking if I had a couple more I would be set. Now I have probably 20 barrels and I am just as far behind as when I had 2.

Ryan

edit: Thinking about it now I have about 30 barrels for single shot conversion.

Ryan... You forgot about me. I was supposed to be next in line according to our phone conversation when you said you were waiting for a couple of your parts to get back. I left a message on your machine but never got called back again. I feel neglected...
I will say that Ryan is a very nice guy who is trying his hardest to keep up with all the requests since he's one of the few 07FFLs that will ship to us SoCal CGers.
Maybe I'm just the unlucky guy he forgot about despite our multiple phone conversations. I still appreciate your effort though Ryan and will say that despite my unluckiness you're a great person to do business with. Hopefully we can do some business in the future. That being said...
+1 for Ryan @ Table Rock Arms :D

glock_holiday 05-26-2011 1:15 PM

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Originally Posted by G1500 (Post 6423357)
QUOTE=aatruongHas anyone worked with ammo brothers (Ontario) for these single shot transfer?

I am waiting for an actual confirmation from them, rather than "Should be no problem".

A few guys still think it is 'illegal' to convert a single shot to semi auto (XDm, Glock, Draco, AR, etc). Im hoping to get an XDm soon through them, otherwise, it will be bright spot or Rifle Gear.

Take whatever Ammo Bros. tells you for what it's worth. On two separate occasions we contacted them prior to sending the single shot pistol to them. Both times we got the "no problem" on the phone only to have them refuse it once it was there inuring additional cost to ourselves and our customers. We figured the first one was just a case of an idiot working there not knowing what was legal and what wasn't. After the second one we are totally done with them. Won't ship any CA conversions to them.

EBR Works 05-26-2011 1:26 PM

Ship them to us instead! ;)

tacticalcity 05-26-2011 2:16 PM

What exactly is involved in converting a handgun such as a Glock Gen 4 to "single shot"? Will a magazine converted to being a "bob-sled" and only able to hold one magazine at a time qualify as being "single shot"?

EBR Works 05-26-2011 2:28 PM

Installation of a substitute barrel that makes the gun dimensionally compliant (OAL must be at least 10.5" and barrel minimum of 6"). 0 round sled or blocked magazine. Mag lock device.

G1500 05-26-2011 2:29 PM

I found a shop in Upland recently that was completely unaware of them. Spoke with the owner and I am going to get him some information and see if he is willing to do this.

G1500 05-26-2011 2:31 PM

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Originally Posted by EBR Works (Post 6476408)
Installation of a substitute barrel that makes the gun dimensionally compliant. 0 round sled or blocked magazine. Mag lock device.

Mag locks are not necessary for all SSE pistols.

AR/AK pistols always need a mag lock. XDM, Gen4 Glock, LCPs, 1911s etc, do not need a mag lock unless they have evil features.

EBR Works 05-26-2011 2:32 PM

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Originally Posted by G1500 (Post 6476428)
Mag locks are not necessary for all SSE pistols.

AR/AK pistols always need a mag lock. XDM, Gen4 Glock, LCPs, 1911s etc, do not need a mag lock unless they have evil features.

Didn't know that, thanks.

JPN6336 05-26-2011 2:56 PM

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Originally Posted by G1500 (Post 6476428)
Mag locks are not necessary for all SSE pistols.

AR/AK pistols always need a mag lock. XDM, Gen4 Glock, LCPs, 1911s etc, do not need a mag lock unless they have evil features.

Doesn't the 0 round magazine need to be locked in somehow?

Cyc Wid It 05-26-2011 2:58 PM

My 1911 had the mag release replaced. G1500, you need the mag lock for the exemption, not for AW compliance. I think you may have mixed up the two.

ke6guj 05-26-2011 3:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyc Wid It (Post 6476585)
My 1911 had the mag release replaced. G1500, you need the mag lock for the exemption, not for AW compliance. I think you may have mixed up the two.

just because some vendors do a mag lock on "mag in grip" pistols doesn't neccessarily mean that it is required. It may have just been a CYA move that they did, and remember that the SSE rules are still in flux to a small part.

morrcarr67 05-26-2011 3:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ke6guj (Post 6476634)
just because some vendors do a mag lock on "mag in grip" pistols doesn't neccessarily mean that it is required. It may have just been a CYA move that they did, and remember that the SSE rules are still in flux to a small part.

Seems to me to be a good idea to CYA and install a mag lock.

G1500 05-26-2011 4:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyc Wid It (Post 6476585)
My 1911 had the mag release replaced. G1500, you need the mag lock for the exemption, not for AW compliance. I think you may have mixed up the two.

For exempt pistols such as AR and AK variants, you will need to have a magazine lock 100% of the time if it has a threaded barrel, second hand grip, barrel shroud or detachable magazine outside the pistol grip. Since the magazine is outside of the pistol grip, it will need to be mag locked.

As far as on pistols without the evil features listed above, I do not believe there needs to be a magazine lock. My understanding is that most vendors insert a 0 shot sled to replace the magazine and somehow secure it in the magazine well, or block the magazine well off somehow. As long as the pistol can only hold one round at a time, it is a single shot, regardless of a magazine lock replacing the mag release. I feel that blocking off the magazine well accomplishes this because a standard magazine cannot be inserted.

Once you are in possession of the firearm, you can change out the barrel and the magazine block/sled. In the care of something with evil features, i.e. AR pistol, you MUST have a magazine lock for AW compliance.

morrcarr67 05-27-2011 1:11 PM

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Originally Posted by G1500 (Post 6477264)
For exempt pistols such as AR and AK variants, you will need to have a magazine lock 100% of the time if it has a threaded barrel, second hand grip, barrel shroud or detachable magazine outside the pistol grip. Since the magazine is outside of the pistol grip, it will need to be mag locked.

As far as on pistols without the evil features listed above, I do not believe there needs to be a magazine lock. My understanding is that most vendors insert a 0 shot sled to replace the magazine and somehow secure it in the magazine well, or block the magazine well off somehow. As long as the pistol can only hold one round at a time, it is a single shot, regardless of a magazine lock replacing the mag release. I feel that blocking off the magazine well accomplishes this because a standard magazine cannot be inserted.

Once you are in possession of the firearm, you can change out the barrel and the magazine block/sled. In the care of something with evil features, i.e. AR pistol, you MUST have a magazine lock for AW compliance.

True. I think the problem is that people are using the term "Mag Lock" to cover what you just said.

As with a 1911 most people are "Locking" the magazine in place with longer grip screws. Buy doing is this way the screws are still considered a "Mag Lock" because they "Lock the Magazine" in place.

It's just that most people think of a "Mag Lock" as a bullet button or some other device installed to replace or block the original magazine release.

ke6guj 05-27-2011 1:16 PM

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Originally Posted by morrcarr67 (Post 6483057)
As with a 1911 most people are "Locking" the magazine in place with longer grip screws. Buy doing is this way the screws are still considered a "Mag Lock" because they "Lock the Magazine" in place.

but is there any legal requirement that they even do that? I don't think there is.

morrcarr67 05-27-2011 1:25 PM

Good new for Southern California.
 
Good news So. Cal. While reading a different thread this morning I found out about a gun shop in Ontario. The heart of the Inland Empire and pretty easy to get to from LA, Orange and San Diego counties.

The shop is called Cal-Arms. They are located at:

4451 Ontario Mills Parkway
Suite F
Ontario, CA. 91764
909-945-3113
www.cal-arms.com

Why I am I so excited about them you ask?

Well I want in and spoke with David Strait; the owner, today. They are a Type 07 FFL and will do Single Shot Conversion for people as requested. We didn't get in to any pricing but David assured me that he is very into customer service. And, I did get that feeling from him.

He also said that he would receive Single Shot Exempt guns for transfer if you found one at a different dealer. He is also up on the IntraFamliar transfer and understands that they are roster exempt and would be happy to receive all of your off-roster gifts from your parent/child/grandparent in other states. And, speaking about transfers. He has a very reasonable transfer fee. Only $65.00 and that includes the DROS fee.

David is former LEO and also runs a Private Investigation business.

When you go looking for his shop be sure to look for a business called "Spy Gear". They can't put up any signs at their location about guns so they also run this business from the same location.

OK, So Cal lets go get some guns.

G1500 05-27-2011 1:49 PM

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Originally Posted by morrcarr67 (Post 6483127)
Good news So. Cal. While reading a different thread this morning I found out about a gun shop in Ontario. The heart of the Inland Empire and pretty easy to get to from LA, Orange and San Diego counties.

The shop is called Cal-Arms. They are located at:

4451 Ontario Mills Parkway
Suite F
Ontario, CA. 91764
909-945-3113
www.cal-arms.com

Why I am I so excited about them you ask?

Well I want in and spoke with David Strait; the owner, today. They are a Type 07 FFL and will do Single Shot Conversion for people as requested. We didn't get in to any pricing but David assured me that he is very into customer service. And, I did get that feeling from him.

He also said that he would receive Single Shot Exempt guns for transfer if you found one at a different dealer. He is also up on the IntraFamliar transfer and understands that they are roster exempt and would be happy to receive all of your off-roster gifts from your parent/child/grandparent in other states. And, speaking about transfers. He has a very reasonable transfer fee. Only $65.00 and that includes the DROS fee.

David is former LEO and also runs a Private Investigation business.

When you go looking for his shop be sure to look for a business called "Spy Gear". They can't put up any signs at their location about guns so they also run this business from the same location.

OK, So Cal lets go get some guns.

Seriously? I am pretty sure I have seen it before but was not interested in spy gear.

I will have to stop by later!

Good find.

morrcarr67 05-27-2011 2:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ke6guj (Post 6483085)
but is there any legal requirement that they even do that? I don't think there is.

I'm only going with the fact that these are "Single Shot" pistols. If you you have a removable magazine and insert a magazine that holds more than 0 rounds how is that a "Single Shot" pistol?

morrcarr67 05-27-2011 2:56 PM

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Originally Posted by G1500 (Post 6483262)
Seriously? I am pretty sure I have seen it before but was not interested in spy gear.

I will have to stop by later!

Good find.

It's in the same center as Chop Sticks House Chinese restaurant.

anoldguy 05-27-2011 3:08 PM

Gunsmiting
 
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Originally Posted by morrcarr67 (Post 6483539)
I'm only going with the fact that these are "Single Shot" pistols. If you you have a removable magazine and insert a magazine that holds more than 0 rounds how is that a "Single Shot" pistol?

Check out post #2 from Cyc_Wid_It above and the 1st & 3rd Q&A.
M

ke6guj 05-27-2011 3:10 PM

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Originally Posted by morrcarr67 (Post 6483539)
I'm only going with the fact that these are "Single Shot" pistols. If you you have a removable magazine and insert a magazine that holds more than 0 rounds how is that a "Single Shot" pistol?

at the time of DROS, it just needs to be presently a "single shot" pistol, not that you could make it a multi-shot pistol.

Just like some people initially thought you needed to render a single-shot pistol incapable of automatically extracting the spent round, I think that this is just cautiousness that people have for "conventional" pistols that are being made SSE.


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