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CGN Staff 01-11-2011 7:15 PM

Marketplace Rules Revision II
 
As you know we made some changes to the rules for the Marketplace forums a while back. These changes were necessary due to the growth of Calguns.net and the heavy traffic seen in the Marketplace forums.

Unfortunately some members were unhappy with the new rules and some felt they were too strict and there was a fair amount of complaints about them.
The things that necessitated the new rules still exist and still will be covered however we also want to listen to you the members so the Staff has been working on a revision of the new rules for some time now. Not much has changed but there are some areas that are substantially different and some that are new.

The hope is this this revision will address the needed changes while still allowing a freer environment in the Marketplace forums. The 'New Marketplace Rules Rev. II' are below:

CGN Staff 01-11-2011 7:15 PM

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The buying and selling of items through the Calguns.net Marketplace forums is a benefit strictly intended for the community of the Calguns membership. We have established a list of forum rules to be followed in order to post your "classified ads" in our Marketplace. Members who violate these rules may lose access to the Marketplace.



1) All transactions must be in accordance with all State and Federal Laws.

2) Buyers and Sellers assume any and all risks in any transaction.
Our wish is for this forum to be a safe environment for our members to buy and sell amongst themselves; however, Calguns.net can not and will not be responsible for any transactions gone bad. CAVEAT EMPTOR applies here.

3) Your location must be in each new Marketplace thread
Whether WTS (Want To Sell) or WTB (Want To Buy). If your location is not given then your post may be deleted. It is preferred that your location be visible in your profile to sell or buy in the Marketplace. If it is not in your profile it MUST be in every new thread started in these forums. Given the large size of California your location must show at least what County you are in, the City is preferable. We highly recommend that you also include the location in the title of the thread.

4) Limit your ads to one per Marketplace sub-forum.
When posting within these forums we require that you keep all items to one thread per sub-forum only. If you have multiple items to sell, we expect you to include all of them in one thread in the appropriate forum(s) - e.g. all firearms in one thread in Private Firearms Sales. Members may only start one thread per 72 hour period in each separate Marketplace forum. Multiple threads started for separate items in the same forum by a single member within 72 hours of each other may result in all threads by that member being merged or deleted.

5) 5) Back to the Top (BTT) is allowed once per calendar day per PST/PDT.
'Calendar Day' refers to the 24 hour period described as 'MM/DD/YYYY' in the Pacific time zone.
This rule also encompasses all the other methods used to surreptitiously "bump" a thread sooner than allowed. Clever 'sales comments' and addendum's that can easily be added to the original post are just some examples. New posts that add content such as pictures or additional information will be considered as a "BTT". The time of last BTT is based on the last post by the original poster. Answers to posted material questions regarding the item may be posted in the thread prior to the next calendar day. Deleting your own BTT post and re-bumping your thread within the same calendar day may result in your thread being locked or deleted.

6) We do not allow for the auctioning off of items in the For Sale forums
Nor do we allow links to auctions and/or sales you may have open at other sites. This forum is for the buying and selling of items within the community of Calguns.net. The only exception is for auctions approved by the Calguns Staff in order for proceeds to benefit this site and/or it's membership. This does not mean that you cannot post an item here for sale that you have listed on an auction site. This merely means that you must create an actual post for the item without the link to the auction site. Mention that the item is up for auction, and that you would be willing to end the auction early if a deal can be struck.

7) Edit the title to show your items have been 'Sold'.
Once you have sold the item(s) in your classified ad that you have in the Marketplace, edit the title so it's obvious that the item(s) have been sold'. Do not create a post just to say your item is sold. The moderating team does not delete threads simply because a transaction is completed, so please do not ask.

8) All Commercial sales must be placed in the Commercial Sales forum.
Any commercial sales posted in the Private Sales section will be deleted.

9) For Sale threads must have a price listed.
If you are unsure of what you want to ask for an item list a price you think is slightly higher than what you want to get and simply state, 'willing to negotiate'. You can also add 'OBO' (Or Best Offer) after your projected price. While this means you are willing to entertain offers it is NOT a license to auction, neither does it mean that it is acceptable to take a higher offer after you have agreed to a price and a deal. The listing price must be one the seller would accept if a buyer were to make an offer at that price. Editing the original post to raise the price after an offer at that price has been made creating a 'hidden auction' is unacceptable. The seller may accept an offer higher than the price listed, either from motivated buyer or due to unique circumstance such as special shipping requirements providing no offer or deal has been made at the listed price prior to the higher offer.

10) Thread-crapping.
Commenting on a post in a negative manner, called 'thread-crapping', is not allowed. If you think an item is overpriced or of lesser quality, don't buy it. If you have concerns about the seller PM a Moderator or Admin and we can discuss the matter. Thread-crapping will be deleted, multiple instances of thread-crapping will result in being barred from the Marketplace forums entirely.

11) Discussion and Commentary in For Sale Threads is to be kept to a minimum.
Posting comments such as "Nice gun, wish you were closer", "That's a great deal", "good luck with sale", etc. should be strictly limited. This is a community and wanting to comment positively on a sale or item is an understandable desire. However if it becomes a frequent or regular occurrence it will be seen as a problem and dealt with accordingly. Once in a while is okay, multiple times a day is not. Posts of this nature made by friends or family to circumvent the 24 hour bump rule will be deleted along with the ad. Interpretation of intent will be at the discretion of the Calguns Staff.

12) Third party 'Bumps' and/or acting as a 'Schill' are forbidden.
'Bump' posts or comments such as "bump", "btt", or "tag" posted by a member other than the member who started the thread are not allowed. This rule includes all the methods listed in Rule 5 used to surreptitiously "bump" a thread sooner than allowed. Posts of this nature made by friends or family to circumvent the 24 hour bump rule will be deleted along with the ad. Excessive third party bumping and/or 'shilling' will lead to having your access to the Marketplace terminated. Interpretation of intent will be at the discretion of the Calguns Staff.

13) Do not post your "For Sale" items in someone else's thread.
Be respectful of the other sellers and start your own thread.

14) Question and Inquiries about products listed in an ad.
Most questions and product inquiries can be handled via Private Messages. We expect you to use this feature for all questions and inquiries. If you feel your question or inquiry involves a material aspect of the item being bought/sold you may post that in the thread. The term "material aspect" means one that dramatically affects the value, function, or operation of the item being bought/sold. Answers to posted material questions regarding the item may be posted in the thread prior to the expiration of the 24 hour BTT rule however the posted answer will reset the 24 hour 'timer'. All offers other than 'I'll take it' must be made via Private Message. If you send an offer via Private Message a post of 'offer sent' is acceptable, all other Private Message do not need verification such as 'pm sent' or 'incoming PM'.

15) Discussion threads are strictly prohibited in the Marketplace.
If you have questions or concerns about the Marketplace either address them directly with the admin/moderator staff or place you comments in the "Announcements and Suggestions" sub-forum.

16) Marketplace disputes.
Occasional disputes between a buyer and a seller are inevitable. When this happens notify the Moderators and include a link to the original thread. When one of the Moderators responds be prepared to forward copies of all PM's and emails regarding the transaction. By selling and buying in the Marketplace you agree to abide by the final decision of the moderator team regarding any dispute. Arbitrating disputes is not the job of the moderating team, but if we're asked to deal with a problem we expect you to respect and abide by our decisions. Failing to do so may result in losing access to the Marketplace and possibly the entire forum.

17) iTrader ratings.
Negative feedback should be reserved for transactions where one party has lost either money or goods, or the delivered product is substantially different than advertised. Positive feedback is appropriate for a transaction with good communications between they parties involved and that completes in a timely manner. Neutral feedback is for everything else, including transactions which are not completed. Use the comment section to describe why you gave the rating you did. Retaliatory feedback is not tolerated and should be reported to a moderator. See Rule #16 regarding Marketplace Disputes.

18) PM notification of Staff actions
All of the Moderating Staff are volunteers with jobs and families to take care of in addition to moderating Calguns. Because of this if your thread or post violates a rules you may not be notified by a moderator if your thread is closed or deleted. Simply put, there isn't always time to do all that we'd like to do. If your thread is closed due to premature bumping you must ask a Moderator to reopen it after the 24 hours have passed; the CGN Staff handles numerous issues and will not always remember to reopen a closed thread the next day.

19) Statement Regarding Clones and Replicas:
Clones, also known as Counterfeits, are items that are made to duplicate an existing item and carry the same markings and/or titles as the original item. For example, a clone of a Trijicon ACOG that bears any or all of the same titles or markings as an actual Trijicon ACOG is a counterfeit item and illegal based on both Patent and Trademark violations.

Replicas are items that are similar to and/or function the same as an existing item but do NOT carry any markings or titles in common with the original item. Bushnell, Barska and many AirSoft manufacturers make replicas of the Trijicon ACOG. They look similar to and function in a similar manner as the Trijicon ACOG but they are not marked in any way like a Trijicon ACOG. These are legal items that share a common use and similar appearance but do not infringe on existing Patents or Trademarks.

Due to the illegality of selling counterfeit/clone items and the fraudulent nature of the clones/counterfeits themselves, selling these items on Calguns.net is not allowed. If you post a counterfeit/clone item for sale it will be deleted, repeated violations will result in permanent loss of access to the Marketplace forums.

Selling replica items, clearly stated as such and bearing no markings or titles of a similar brand name item is allowed and acceptable. However misrepresenting a replica as an original for sale is of course fraud and will be treated as such.


Outline and intended use of the individual Marketplace sub-forums.
Threads placed in the incorrect forum may be moved or deleted without warning by the moderating team.

Commercial Sales & Good Deals
For the Commercial sales of Firearms and Accessories as well as sharing good deals.

Private Firearms Sales
For the private sale of Firearms.
"Airsoft guns" are not firearms.

Private Firearm Parts & Accessories Sales
For the Private sale of Firearms related accessories.

Private Ammo & Reloading Sales
For the Private Sale of Ammo & Reloading Components.
Beware that it is illegal to sell reloaded ammo that has been assembled/mfgd without a manufacturers license.

Private Non-Firearms Related Sales
For the non-commercial sales of non-firearms related items.

WTB (Want To Buy)/Services Offered Forum
This forum is to be used for the purposes of offering Professional Services of any type OR for
posting Want to Buy ad's of any type.

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scootergmc 01-11-2011 7:24 PM

I ask:

Doesn't vBulletin have a software option to just keep a thread from being bumped every 24 hours, regardless of the amount of posts? Seems like it would take care of a lot of things on your end....

I also object to my question on the grounds that it has probably been asked and answered. :D

SikDMAX 01-11-2011 7:33 PM

Sounds like some great changes that were structured around the wants of the CGN community.

Thanks staff!

ke6guj 01-11-2011 7:48 PM

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16) Marketplace disputes.
Occasional disputes between a buyer and a seller are inevitable. When this happens notify the Moderators and include a link to the original thread. When one of the Moderators responds be prepared to forward copies of all PM's and emails regarding the transaction. By selling and buying in the Marketplace you agree to abide by the final decision of the moderator team regarding any dispute. Arbitrating disputes is not the job of the moderating team, but if we're asked to deal with a problem we expect you to respect and abide by our decisions. Failing to do so may result in losing access to the Marketplace and possibly the entire forum.
not sure if I agree with this one. Moderators aren't judges.

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18) PM notification of Staff actions
All of the Moderating Staff are volunteers with jobs and families to take care of in addition to moderating Calguns. Because of this if your thread or post violates a rules you may not be notified by a moderator if your thread is closed or deleted. Simply put, there isn't always time to do all that we'd like to do. If your thread is closed due to premature bumping you must ask a Moderator to reopen it after the 24 hours have passed; the CGN Staff handles numerous issues and will not always remember to reopen a closed thread the next day.
which is why there needs to be a moderator auto-PM addition to the fourm.

Gryff 01-11-2011 8:31 PM

Put back in the Thread Rating feature.

A seller or buyer who backs out on an agreed-upon deal should be able to receive negative iTrader feedback.

ke6guj 01-11-2011 8:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gryff (Post 5601857)
A seller or buyer who backs out on an agreed-upon deal should be able to receive negative iTrader feedback.

If the other party is a no-show at the agreed upon meeting place, I would be out money in gas and time getting to the meeting location.

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Negative feedback should be reserved for transactions where one party has lost either money or goods

AlliedArmory 01-11-2011 9:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gryff (Post 5601857)
A seller or buyer who backs out on an agreed-upon deal should be able to receive negative iTrader feedback.

I agree with this one 100%

Gryff 01-11-2011 9:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ke6guj (Post 5601909)
If the other party is a no-show at the agreed upon meeting place, I would be out money in gas and time getting to the meeting location.

Yes, but allowing the seller to withdraw from an agreement because they found someone who will pay more violates the intent and terms of the marketplace, even if the buyer hasn't driven anywhere. That seller deserves negative feedback since they weren't honorable. (And the reverse is true if the buyer backs out due to remorse or finding a lower price)

sirgiles 01-11-2011 9:22 PM

"By selling and buying in the Marketplace you agree to abide by the final decision of the moderator team regarding any dispute. Arbitrating disputes is not the job of the moderating team, but if we're asked to deal with a problem we expect you to respect and abide by our decisions."

since when are moderators qualified to become judges or even arbitrators? see link below.

Judicial arbitration
http://www.scselfservice.org/civ/adr/judicialarb.htm

louscamaro91 01-11-2011 9:22 PM

I left participating in Calgun because how strict things had gotten... Maybe I'll come back around if it returns to how it use to be....

louscamaro91 01-11-2011 9:26 PM

The feedback thing makes sense.. I got left negative feedback because I listed I would travel to do a PPT but wasn't specific on how far. Guy posted an "I'll take it". I told him I wasn't willing to drive 100 miles to do PPT. He left negative feedback. I notified mods and they did nothing....
He wasn't out anytime nor money, he was just bitter.... Whatever

D.M.C. 01-11-2011 9:36 PM

These new rules seems fairly common sense and reasonable. Hopefully all of the community will feel better about having had the chance to give feedback on the rules. Kudos to the staff for taking the time to think out the problem and make appropriate revisions.

tacticalcity 01-11-2011 9:45 PM

It would be of considerable help if photos were a requirement. How else can we judge condition, and in some cases identify which item they are actually selling? When search for a $2K+ item the last thing you want to see is 400 ads with no pictures and a half hearted attempt to describe which version of the item they have. We used to be able to "strongly encourage" people into learning how to post pictures, and it worked. That's how I learned. I would bet it is how 90%+ of us learned.

7.62x54R 01-11-2011 11:37 PM

Holy Lord. I Predicted this months ago. I love being right. I could have bet money I would be right. To bad my post with my prediction of the rule change was deleted :shrug:. The pro shills must have overwhelmed the Mods with their form of civil disobedience in trying to fight the power. :rolleyes:

To the Mods. How will you determine how many shills are acceptable? 3 shills a day? is the 4th shill to much? How will you determine who is friend's with who? I know some of the more notorious pro shillers would come online to post various time in the sales forum with "great guy" " Deal in confidence" etc. I still don't see how posting these comments makes it a "community". I predict a rash of offer sents! or should I say Low Ball sent!

To all you shill hards you have your "community". Good Luck with the Sale! Wish you were down South! wish i could afford it! Great GUY! DEAL IN Confidence! PM Sent! OFFER SENT!

Oh yea...
:useless:

Cali-V 01-11-2011 11:46 PM

Thanks for easing up on R.11

evidens83 01-12-2011 8:56 AM

Who determines which shill is too much? How do you determine who is friends with who and if they're friend-shilling or not? Why would one shill be better than another?

Kestryll 01-12-2011 9:59 AM

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Originally Posted by scootergmc (Post 5601369)
I ask:

Doesn't vBulletin have a software option to just keep a thread from being bumped every 24 hours, regardless of the amount of posts? Seems like it would take care of a lot of things on your end....

I also object to my question on the grounds that it has probably been asked and answered. :D

There is nothing built in to vbulletin for that, there may be modifications or hacks for that but I am very particular about what gets installed. Nothing that is not 100% vetted for security and stability.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ke6guj (Post 5601531)
which is why there needs to be a moderator auto-PM addition to the fourm.

See above.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ke6guj (Post 5601909)
If the other party is a no-show at the agreed upon meeting place, I would be out money in gas and time getting to the meeting location.

In an instance like that there is a loss of money and so negative would be warranted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gryff (Post 5602190)
Yes, but allowing the seller to withdraw from an agreement because they found someone who will pay more violates the intent and terms of the marketplace, even if the buyer hasn't driven anywhere. That seller deserves negative feedback since they weren't honorable. (And the reverse is true if the buyer backs out due to remorse or finding a lower price)

Something like this would be cause for Neutral feedback, it lets buyers/sellers know what happened and the is what counts.
Also if a seller is making agreements and then taking higher offers that then falls under the 'No Auctions' rule and has it's own repercussions.

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Originally Posted by sirgiles (Post 5602191)
since when are moderators qualified to become judges or even arbitrators? see link below.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ke6guj (Post 5601531)
not sure if I agree with this one. Moderators aren't judges.

Since these are essentially the same question I'll answer them together.
In cases of dispute the Moderators already act as Mediators at the request of one or both parties, this is a formalized statement of what currently occurs. The Staff only gets involved when one or both parties feels there is an issue that they can not resolve among themselves and asks for help.
In a case such as this the staff will look at the issue and all communication from both parties and attempt to reach an amicable solution. In most cases a solution can be reached however in the rare case when it can not be or a serious problem arises this rule allows the Staff to act as needed.

The bottom line is CGN and the Marketplace forums are a private entity and venue and like all private entities there has to be a 'Court of Last Resort'.

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Originally Posted by evidens83 (Post 5604049)
Who determines which shill is too much? How do you determine who is friends with who and if they're friend-shilling or not? Why would one shill be better than another?

"Interpretation of intent will be at the discretion of the Calguns Staff."
This was heavily discussed by the Staff and we have some methods and ideas that will not be discussed publicly.
Also we will be looking for patterns and familiarity.
If we start to recognize a member's name associated with similar posts or see a trend forming that will be a give away as well.
We will always do our best to be objective however I will post this again:
"Interpretation of intent will be at the discretion of the Calguns Staff."


The intent of these revisions is not to try to make everyone happy, that will never happen.
What is intended is to merge as best as is possible the criteria and concerns of the forum and the Staff with the desires of the community in to something that while not perfect for everyone is acceptable to most.

Lone_Gunman 01-12-2011 10:15 AM

I like the new rules. The first revision was too much. This one is just right IMHO.

CALI-gula 01-12-2011 11:36 AM

Cool rules bro.




(Just kidding) :p - So what's different from the last change?

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UltraLNW 01-12-2011 4:13 PM

If I may make a suggestion -

How about Kestryll creates a new CGN position - Marketplace Mediators. There are a fair number of level-headed, legally-trained and relatively neutral members who could be tapped to serve as mediators for marketplace disputes.

This would serve two purposes:

1. It would relieve moderators of additional duties - the job is already demanding enough on those who volunteer, and asking them to mediate a contractual dispute is not only something that may be out of their realm, but also a duty that is neglected due to an already heavy load of moderating work.

2. It would promote fairness and equity in the marketplace. Just because someone is a spectacular moderator does not make them qualified to render a judgement in a contract dispute, which is exactly what every marketplace disagreement is. Contract law is a very complex and often confusing area of civil law, and it is unfair and unjust to assign an unqualified mediator as the "final say".

This is not meant as a hit against a moderator, but the reality is that contractual disputes should not be adjudicated by any CGN staff member if there is not a sound base for assigning the staff member to the task.

I understand that the intent is to inject a cooler head into a dispute if it cannot be solved between the disputing parties, but what you are creating is a system that will in all likelihood render incorrect judgments and reward guilt at the expense of fair marketplace participants.

In short, don't mediate unless you are qualified to do so.

mtsul 01-12-2011 6:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CALI-gula (Post 5604915)
Cool rules bro.




(Just kidding) :p - So what's different from the last change?

.

same question

6172crew 01-12-2011 7:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UltraLNW (Post 5606501)
If I may make a suggestion -

How about Kestryll creates a new CGN position - Marketplace Mediators. There are a fair number of level-headed, legally-trained and relatively neutral members who could be tapped to serve as mediators for marketplace disputes.

This would serve two purposes:

1. It would relieve moderators of additional duties - the job is already demanding enough on those who volunteer, and asking them to mediate a contractual dispute is not only something that may be out of their realm, but also a duty that is neglected due to an already heavy load of moderating work.

2. It would promote fairness and equity in the marketplace. Just because someone is a spectacular moderator does not make them qualified to render a judgement in a contract dispute, which is exactly what every marketplace disagreement is. Contract law is a very complex and often confusing area of civil law, and it is unfair and unjust to assign an unqualified mediator as the "final say".

This is not meant as a hit against a moderator, but the reality is that contractual disputes should not be adjudicated by any CGN staff member if there is not a sound base for assigning the staff member to the task.

I understand that the intent is to inject a cooler head into a dispute if it cannot be solved between the disputing parties, but what you are creating is a system that will in all likelihood render incorrect judgments and reward guilt at the expense of fair marketplace participants.

In short, don't mediate unless you are qualified to do so.

I think most of the M0ds started out with one forum or 2 and were given extra buttons as time went on. Why have a market place only staff when we can use them for other things around the forum?

The Market place is a fast moving forum and we could always use an extra hand but limiting a few guys to one forum tends to make them/him work in a vacuum imo.

Then again if the forum keeps growing the rules will get tighter or we will have to have more volunteers in the future. I dont have a head count of Mods but with my new job I am not able to help as much as I would like.

Weekend Duty (I said Duty!) will allow me more time to read the forum and respond to reports faster.

UltraLNW 01-12-2011 8:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6172crew (Post 5607804)
I think most of the M0ds started out with one forum or 2 and were given extra buttons as time went on. Why have a market place only staff when we can use them for other things around the forum?

The Market place is a fast moving forum and we could always use an extra hand but limiting a few guys to one forum tends to make them/him work in a vacuum imo.

Then again if the forum keeps growing the rules will get tighter or we will have to have more volunteers in the future. I dont have a head count of Mods but with my new job I am not able to help as much as I would like.

Weekend Duty (I said Duty!) will allow me more time to read the forum and respond to reports faster.

My apologies - I didn't really explain the thought I had well.

Kestryll keeps moderators doing their job - moderating relatively fast-moving forums. The mods that exists were selected for the job because they are good at maintaining order.

Kestryll selects new users to act solely as marketplace mediators - they don't moderate forums or have any duties aside from hearing disputes that marketplace users have not been able to settle on their own.

This keeps the mods doing their job - policing the community. And it creates mediators to do their own separate job - adjudicating disputes.

I guess it's like mods are cops, mediators are judges. Mods don't get extra duties tacked onto their already packed to-do list, and marketplace users have a qualified person that they can seek to help mediate disputes with other marketplace users.

freonr22 01-12-2011 10:16 PM

so, like "the Moderator's Court" Judge Wapner ///

SixPointEight 01-13-2011 1:37 PM

If I understand this right, I can now bump at 5o'clock before work one day, then the next, if I work at 3, I can bump before work then too? Since it's a different calendar day? I like that a lot more. I got talked to once because I bumped 3 hours early or something like that. Wasn't a huge deal, except I quit bumping my threads as often because of my schedules.

leelaw 01-13-2011 1:48 PM

JT1989, that is correct. One bump per calendar day, regardless of the time of day, is fine.

bigmike82 01-13-2011 3:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7.62x54R (Post 5602881)
Blah blah blah...

Mods, thanks for changing the rules as you did, and thank you for being responsive to what the community wanted. You guys are doing a kickass job. :)

7.62x54R 01-14-2011 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigmike82 (Post 5612388)
Mods, thanks for changing the rules as you did, and thank you for being responsive to what the community wanted. You guys are doing a kickass job. :)

Oh now you love the mods? They are no longer power hungry and out to get you?

Blah blah blah makes about as much sense as the shilling you do. Great deal! Good Luck with the sale! Great guy! Deal in confidence!

You pro shills got what you wanted. Why are you still talking about? HURRY Go shill, go put offer sent on everything on the marketplace. Go say how great your friends over MSRP used gun is. Shill to your hearts content. :rolleyes:

Kestryll 01-14-2011 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7.62x54R (Post 5615271)
Oh now you love the mods? They are no longer power hungry and out to get you?

Blah blah blah makes about as much sense as the shilling you do. Great deal! Good Luck with the sale! Great guy! Deal in confidence!

You pro shills got what you wanted. Why are you still talking about? HURRY Go shill, go put offer sent on everything on the marketplace. Go say how great your friends over MSRP used gun is. Shill to your hearts content. :rolleyes:

If it bothers you that much you don't have to read the marketplace forums.

I can help with that.

7.62x54R 01-14-2011 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kestryll (Post 5615283)
If it bothers you that much you don't have to read the marketplace forums.

I can help with that.

When did i say the new rules will stop me from reading the marketplace? Do i like the new rule? No. I understand this is not my forum unlike the pro shills. I didn't go make a poll and a thread about how I hate the new rule revisions. I though this was the announcements and suggestions?

6172crew 01-16-2011 10:01 AM

There is no way to make everyone happy but I think Kestryl's revision is a pretty good shot at it.

I have 10 bucks that says the rules will change again one day. As the forum gets bigger and more software becomes available the rules will change. I think this is at least the 4th time they have been modified for the marketplace.

Semper Gumby

biker777 01-16-2011 7:33 PM

I have to ask, for clarification.. do I have this correct.. you may bump your thread once per calendar day.. not every 24 hrs only.?


So I may bump my thread anytime on the 16th , and then anytime on the 17th..even if they are not 24 hrs apart?? as long as they are different calendar days..

FinnFTW 01-16-2011 7:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kestryll (Post 5615283)
If it bothers you that much you don't have to read the marketplace forums.

I can help with that.

That same logic applies to those who didn't like the revised rules in the first place.

Librarian 01-16-2011 8:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biker777 (Post 5631871)
I have to ask, for clarification.. do I have this correct.. you may bump your thread once per calendar day.. not every 24 hrs only.?


So I may bump my thread anytime on the 16th , and then anytime on the 17th..even if they are not 24 hrs apart?? as long as they are different calendar days..

Yes, that's correct.

Please use Pacific time! If it's 1 AM on the 13th in Virginia, it isn't yet the 13th in California.

biker777 01-16-2011 8:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Librarian (Post 5632113)
Yes, that's correct.

Please use Pacific time! If it's 1 AM on the 13th in Virginia, it isn't yet the 13th in California.


Thanks !!

CenterX 01-16-2011 8:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gryff (Post 5601857)
Put back in the Thread Rating feature.

A seller or buyer who backs out on an agreed-upon deal should be able to receive negative iTrader feedback.

Wouldn't you admit there may be some mitigating issues requiring a person to back out and not cause a pissing match?

A no show with a reschedule may be required on many number of accounts.

And in the end, a deal is really only a deal once it is consummated by the exchange of goods, services, or funds. Until this happens it is a promise. Anyone who has not broken a promise is more than likely has a less accurate memory than they claim.

ajaffe 01-16-2011 8:52 PM

Questions: I suggested using many methods as used on pbnation.com here such as: -Paying for "Gold Ups" which keeps a for sale ad pinned to the top of the first page. They limited this to around 13 listings when first offered. This gave increased revenue to the site.
-Adding a bump button. Pbnation has one and it is extremely effective.

What is holding you back from using these two items?

Librarian 01-16-2011 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ajaffe (Post 5632370)
Questions: I suggested using many methods as used on pbnation.com here such as: -Paying for "Gold Ups" which keeps a for sale ad pinned to the top of the first page. They limited this to around 13 listings when first offered. This gave increased revenue to the site.
-Adding a bump button. Pbnation has one and it is extremely effective.

What is holding you back from using these two items?

See Kestryll's post 18

I did a quick look, and that bump facility does not seem to be a supported feature of vBulletin 4.x. Possible I missed it, though - I'm not a member of the vbulletin.org forum, nor am I a vbulletin customer.

I think it understandable to be a 'late adopter' ...

ajaffe 01-16-2011 10:45 PM

Oh I read it but again I point to www.pbnation.com which has been using it for the past 2-3 years or so without any problems on the user end. Their user base is also FAR above calguns so traffic should not be any issue.


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