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Gray Peterson 10-14-2010 11:32 PM

Yolo
 
Anyone who gets denied in Yolo Co (either by a city's PD or by the Sheriff's Office), and wants to fight it should read the following quote from my ("Paladin") post in the Monterey Co thread. (There they accept SD as GC, but push the GMC requirement.) The 14th Amendment Equal Protection applies to ALL aspects of the application process, not just GC and GMC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paladin (Post 16276894)
So, they say SD = GC, but then push GMC through the roof and, it appears, make your RKBA subject to your neighbors', co-workers' and friends' ratification.... :facepalm: :mad:

If Bernal does NOT follow this same procedure with ALL CCW applicants (think political donors, "friends of the sheriff"/"posse" members, politicians, celebrities), he's open for a Guillory-type 14th A Equal Protection federal lawsuit, but for GMC rather than GC.

Hypothetically, let's say there's a world-famous film star (and director) who lives in (and was once the mayor of) Carmel-By-The-Sea, a city which, acc to CGF's 2013 survey, does not issue CCWs. We'll call him "Mr. E." Let's suppose Mr. E has a Monterey SO CCW. When it is/was time to renew, if the sheriff has the same policy for renewals that means his "background investigator" would have to go to Mr. E's neighbors (who, unlike his friends, may be hard-core antis), and "ask them if they would recommend [Mr. E] be issued a CCW permit." Not only would the same procedure have to be followed, but the same standard as to judging whether to issue or not be followed. IOW, let's say 1 of your neighbors says "Nyet!" when asked if you should get a CCW and because of that you are denied. If 1 of Mr. E's neighbors also said "No!" and yet was issued, that too is a 14th A Equal Protection violation.


RobG 11-18-2010 8:32 PM

Are Yolo GC statements being requested or does the lawsuit take precedence?

wildhawker 11-18-2010 9:23 PM

Yes, they were requested. The Richards case is not bearing on a PRA request. That's all I can say at this point.

gucci pilot 12-17-2010 7:13 PM

Pretty quiet here in Yolo. :(

Considering the case down in socal, looks like it's going to be a long two weeks on our case.

wentbig 12-21-2010 5:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gucci pilot (Post 5465593)
Pretty quiet here in Yolo. :(

Considering the case down in socal, looks like it's going to be a long two weeks on our case.

Ha, You are the first one I found in Woodland. Maybe we can get together on our training.

RobG 12-22-2010 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gucci pilot (Post 5465593)
Pretty quiet here in Yolo. :(

Considering the case down in socal, looks like it's going to be a long two weeks on our case.

Probably will be until Richards is decided. But, it should be a big one if it goes our way. Fingers crossed...:cool:

gucci pilot 12-22-2010 7:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wentbig (Post 5485583)
Ha, You are the first one I found in Woodland. Maybe we can get together on our training.

I've been trained, with more renewal classes than I can count. I'm just waiting to submit my application. It feels like us guys in Yolo have been thrown under the CCW bus for the sake of the rest of the state.

Good luck, my friend...

sar_man 12-23-2010 7:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gucci pilot (Post 5491971)
I've been trained, with more renewal classes than I can count. I'm just waiting to submit my application. It feels like us guys in Yolo have been thrown under the CCW bus for the sake of the rest of the state.

Good luck, my friend...

So why do you feel like you have been thrown under the bus?

wentbig 12-23-2010 5:20 PM

Can anyone tell me where to get training that Yolo county will accept for CCW.
The yolo sportsman says go to the community college, the college says go to the yolo sportsman... I don't want to go to the wrong class.

RobG 12-23-2010 5:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wentbig (Post 5496274)
Can anyone tell me where to get training that Yolo county will accept for CCW.
The yolo sportsman says go to the community college, the college says go to the yolo sportsman... I don't want to go to the wrong class.

Ron Etchells at Sac Valley Shooting Center always recieves high praise. Yolo Sportsman has been a mess for over a year now. I'd pass on them.

gucci pilot 12-23-2010 5:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wentbig (Post 5496274)
Can anyone tell me where to get training that Yolo county will accept for CCW.
The yolo sportsman says go to the community college, the college says go to the yolo sportsman... I don't want to go to the wrong class.

Nah, man. I shoot at Yolo Sportsmen all the time. They're great guys. The problem is that Yuba College usually only offers renewals at Yolo. I think the range office just wanted you to call Yuba College to find out when the next "initial" class is offered. That course is recognized by the Yolo sheriff's department. If worse comes to worse, you can go to Marysville where the instructor usually teaches. This instructor has been doing this class for a looong time. He's a good guy, just ask the Yuba College to get a message to him.

gucci pilot 12-23-2010 5:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobG (Post 5496308)
Ron Etchells at Sac Valley Shooting Center always recieves high praise. Yolo Sportsman has been a mess for over a year now. I'd pass on them.

Just curious, why do you think Yolo Sportsman is a mess for a year now? Quid pro quo, I'm very familiar with the staff.

gucci pilot 12-23-2010 5:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sar_man (Post 5493753)
So why do you feel like you have been thrown under the bus?

Yeah, you got a point. I'm just a wee bit frustrated that the focus is on the case down in Socal. Thanks for bringing me back in focus.

RobG 12-23-2010 5:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gucci pilot (Post 5496345)
Just curious, why do you think Yolo Sportsman is a mess for a year now? Quid pro quo, I'm very familiar with the staff.

Just my own experience. Unhelpful, unfriendly, shot up target frames, dirty, uncontrolled firing lines. I used to go frequently as I lived in Vacaville. I just feel it has gone down hill from a few years ago. Of course I stopped going over a year ago so maybe its gotten better.

gucci pilot 12-23-2010 5:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobG (Post 5496382)
Just my own experience. Unhelpful, unfriendly, shot up target frames, dirty, uncontrolled firing lines. I used to go frequently as I lived in Vacaville. I just feel it has gone down hill from a few years ago. Of course I stopped going over a year ago so maybe its gotten better.

It has IMHO. I've been a member for about 9 years. Yup, they've had some internal personnel drama, but I think it's been resolved. How about you shoot me a PM and we'll go shoot on my dime? We gotta support the few local ranges we have left. And if it needs improvement, then we need to let them know.

RobG 01-04-2011 6:18 PM

Any recent updates to Richards and/or Yolo county in general?

gucci pilot 01-04-2011 6:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobG (Post 5556514)
Any recent updates to Richards and/or Yolo county in general?

:gene:

basalt 01-11-2011 12:29 PM

Curious myself. Are we still in a waiting game?

wildhawker 01-11-2011 1:51 PM

In terms of the Initiative, yes.

wentbig 01-12-2011 6:04 PM

Yolo CCW in the city of Woodland.
 
I have been following the forum for 6 months. I sponsor Yolo County. I live in the city of Woodland, the PD doesn't seem to have a written policy on issue. As you all know the Sheriff will not even hand out a application till applicant completes 8 hour training. I have taken the 10 hour class and plan on taking the 8 hour Feb.4th at the college. I have "Good Cause" that meets the Sheriff Office criteria.
My question, I want to use your guidance threw the process. Who if anyone on this form can help?

wentbig 01-13-2011 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wentbig (Post 5607137)
I have been following the forum for 6 months. I sponsor Yolo County. I live in the city of Woodland, the PD doesn't seem to have a written policy on issue. As you all know the Sheriff will not even hand out a application till applicant completes 8 hour training. I have taken the 10 hour class and plan on taking the 8 hour Feb.4th at the college. I have "Good Cause" that meets the Sheriff Office criteria.
My question, I want to use your guidance threw the process. Who if anyone on this form can help?

Wildhawker is helping thanks guys.

RobG 01-13-2011 12:30 PM

wentbig, keep us Yolo guys advised of your progress.

Thanks

wentbig 01-14-2011 6:30 PM

Woodland PD CCW
 
It looks as though Woodland PD needs to be brought into compliance.
I am trying to attach there policy.
One quote listed gave me chills..
"It is our opinion that all CCW permits should be canceled and the penal code be rewritten to remove the CCW permit completely.
A few requirements..$million$ bond, $386. fee, letters of reference,training first, etc.

gucci pilot 01-16-2011 7:22 PM

Wow. Yep. That's wrong. Did you send that to Gray and Brandon?

hoffmang 01-16-2011 8:10 PM

It's not really worth spending a lot of effort on the Muni PDs and instead we are putting that effort on the sheriff (who can not decline to take an application.)

-Gene

gucci pilot 01-16-2011 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoffmang (Post 5632120)
It's not really worth spending a lot of effort on the Muni PDs and instead we are putting that effort on the sheriff (who can not decline to take an application.)

-Gene

Gene, overall, I agree with the foundation on focusing on the sheriff with the CCW process. However, the above opinion viewed by Muni PDs are caustic and can have negative impact on Joe LEO on the street. The lucky few that have permits and the unwise open carry folks may have to interface with these usually fair & honest beat cops. Not that it pertains to our case, but I just finished reading a thread about some UOC calgunner who was targeted by a "rogue" muni PD officer. I know you guys have limited resources (yeah, I just donated another C note to the cause), but this needs to be addressed in some manner.

hoffmang 01-16-2011 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gucci pilot (Post 5633020)
I know you guys have limited resources (yeah, I just donated another C note to the cause), but this needs to be addressed in some manner.

Which this are you worried about as I may not be catching what is concerning you?

If you have a 12050 permit you're a) unlikely to have police contact unlike a UOCer and b) if you do have contact (sadly for now) you'll be treated unfairly positively as you'll bask in the aura of the politically connected or truly threatened.

As 12050 licenses become common place, CGF will certainly be there for the necessary attitude adjustments down the road.

-Gene

wentbig 01-17-2011 6:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoffmang (Post 5632120)
It's not really worth spending a lot of effort on the Muni PDs and instead we are putting that effort on the sheriff (who can not decline to take an application.)

-Gene

Do I understand correctly, I can bypass my City PD and go directly to Sheriff?

hoffmang 01-17-2011 6:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wentbig (Post 5637465)
Do I understand correctly, I can bypass my City PD and go directly to Sheriff?

Legally, absolutely. Practically we still have to educate a couple of sheriffs but that process is going well.

-Gene

gucci pilot 01-17-2011 7:29 PM

Gene, all I'm asking for is an "education letter" from those who have legal knowledge and standing informing a municipal police department that their practices are not in line with state law. Additionally, I'm concerned with proprogating an attitude within the ranks. I'm currently mid-level leadership in the military and can see the writing on wall. For 18 years I've been there in Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Turkey, Bosnia, and I live in the Peoples' Republic of California. The policies of leadership will transcend to the troops. No offense, but I can see how non-Calgunners can get irrate with the foundation.

Gene, I mean this respectfully, but speaking of the 12050 permit, you guys have exploited my county for your benefit on CCW. I feel sorry for the guys down in San Diego. So, what's the latest on the case other than to wait for 2 more weeks?

hoffmang 01-17-2011 7:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gucci pilot (Post 5638086)
Gene, I mean this respectfully, but speaking of the 12050 permit, you guys have exploited my county for your benefit on CCW. I feel sorry for the guys down in San Diego. So, what's the latest on the case other than to wait for 2 more weeks?

It's clear to me you missed the news. The Motion for Summary Judgement was filed last week and the oral argument is currently scheduled for February 10, 2011 at the Eastern District Federal Court House in Sacramento at 2PM.

I take umbrage with "exploited." I hope you can see why. The political situation in Yolo county is somewhat unique and quite useful. In many ways, the victory we got in Sacramento is at the cost of the rest of the state but for the fact that Yolo has it's unique politics.

-Gene

gucci pilot 01-17-2011 8:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoffmang (Post 5638225)
I take umbrage with "exploited." I hope you can see why. The political situation in Yolo county is somewhat unique and quite useful. In many ways, the victory we got in Sacramento is at the cost of the rest of the state but for the fact that Yolo has it's unique politics.

-Gene

Again, you guys have gained an advantage from the case in my county and home. When I say, "thrown under the bus", I mean that many folks really don't give a crap about Yolo County other than a means to an end. I invited you guys to my "home" at the Yolo Fliers Club last year. So, you offer me solstice in unique politics. Great.

hoffmang 01-17-2011 9:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gucci pilot (Post 5638354)
Again, you guys have gained an advantage from the case in my county and home. When I say, "thrown under the bus", I mean that many folks really don't give a crap about Yolo County other than a means to an end. I invited you guys to my "home" at the Yolo Fliers Club last year. So, you offer me solstice in unique politics. Great.

We have the best litigator in the nation attempting to make your county the test case that goes to the Supreme Court.

What more do you want and does it come with a pony or a unicorn?

Your county decided to be less wise than Sacramento. That's not our fault but we will use it to everyone's advantage including yours.

-Gene

freonr22 01-17-2011 9:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoffmang (Post 5638818)
We have the best litigator in the nation attempting to make your county the test case that goes to the Supreme Court.

What more do you want and does it come with a pony or a unicorn?

Your county decided to be less wise than Sacramento. That's not our fault but we will use it to everyone's advantage including yours.

-Gene

Thank you for your time and service to our cause!

Lone_Gunman 01-17-2011 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gucci pilot (Post 5638354)
Again, you guys have gained an advantage from the case in my county and home. When I say, "thrown under the bus", I mean that many folks really don't give a crap about Yolo County other than a means to an end. I invited you guys to my "home" at the Yolo Fliers Club last year. So, you offer me solstice in unique politics. Great.


Wow, really? Really? They are funding and fighting a lawsuit to force Shall issue in CA. They care about 2A rights in ALL of California including Yolo County. Sounds to me like you're butthurt 'cause they didn't have the time or weren't available to come to your airplane club. Maybe they were busy securing rights for the people of California. Get over yourself.



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RobG 01-18-2011 8:35 AM

Gucci, not sure why the "attack" on the CGF. Yolo county just happens to hold the case that can bring shall issue ccw to all in Kalifornia. There is no one being thrown under a bus or taken advantage of. I too want a ccw and was hoping to have one sooner than later. But, I have realized these things take time and that it may never happen. Who knows, Richards may lose in state and lose in SCOTUS. There are no guarantees being implied here.

Hogxtz 01-18-2011 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gucci pilot (Post 5638354)
Again, you guys have gained an advantage from the case in my county and home. When I say, "thrown under the bus", I mean that many folks really don't give a crap about Yolo County other than a means to an end. I invited you guys to my "home" at the Yolo Fliers Club last year. So, you offer me solstice in unique politics. Great.

You have got to be kidding? You sir, have the wrong state of mind and are seeing from the wrong angle. You are standing right in the middle of the forrest and cant see the tree's. CGF is fighting tooth and nail for your gun rights. Try to show a little appreciation please, or go find another forum.

basalt 01-18-2011 7:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildhawker (Post 5599145)
In terms of the Initiative, yes.

I should have been more clear. In October or so I asked if I should apply for my permit in Yolo or wait. It was suggested in this forum I wait. Should I still wait or has that recommendation changed? Are we at a point now where denied applications will do the cause good?

Thanks

hoffmang 01-18-2011 8:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by basalt (Post 5645234)
I should have been more clear. In October or so I asked if I should apply for my permit in Yolo or wait. It was suggested in this forum I wait. Should I still wait or has that recommendation changed? Are we at a point now where denied applications will do the cause good?

More denials don't help the cause. If you have significantly heightened good cause you should not hesitate to apply. Anything less is a futile act for now.

-Gene

basalt 01-19-2011 1:45 PM

Thanks.


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